On Oct 21, 3:09*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
1. Electron must flow from the antenna to the ground,

Nope, RF electrons don't actually flow. They essentially vibrate in
place. "For a copper wire of radius 1 mm carrying a steady current of
10 amps, the DC drift velocity is only about 0.24 nanometer per
microsecond." At 10 MHz, the electrons would vibrate back and forth at
about 0.01 nanometer per 0.1 microsecond. Consider how large 0.01
nanometer really is so for all practical purposes, electrons don't
flow at all at HF frequencies. Electrons at HF are just a bucket
brigade for the photons that deliver the RF energy to the diode
detector. Unless a circuit is at DC steady-state, photons are
involved, i.e. RF involves photons which constitute the RF fields and
RF waves.
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

"Cecil Moore" wrote
...
On Oct 21, 3:09 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
1. Electron must flow from the antenna to the ground,

Nope, RF electrons don't actually flow. They essentially vibrate in
place.

The same is with the all AC. If between the live line and the ground is the
diode "Electron must flow from the line to the ground".

"For a copper wire of radius 1 mm carrying a steady current of
10 amps, the DC drift velocity is only about 0.24 nanometer per
microsecond." At 10 MHz, the electrons would vibrate back and forth at
about 0.01 nanometer per 0.1 microsecond. Consider how large 0.01
nanometer really is so for all practical purposes, electrons don't
flow at all at HF frequencies. Electrons at HF are just a bucket
brigade for the photons that deliver the RF energy to the diode
detector. Unless a circuit is at DC steady-state, photons are
involved, i.e. RF involves photons which constitute the RF fields and
RF waves.

No matter how big the back and forth are. If is a diode electrons must flow
in one direction.
Do not be lazy and measure it.
S*

On Oct 21, 11:35*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"Cecil Moore" ...
On Oct 21, 3:09 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

1. Electron must flow from the antenna to the ground,
Nope, RF electrons don't actually flow. They essentially vibrate in

place.

The same is with the all AC. If between the live line and the ground is the
diode "Electron must flow from the line to the ground".

"For a copper wire of radius 1 mm carrying a steady current of

10 amps, the DC drift velocity is only about 0.24 nanometer per
microsecond." At 10 MHz, the electrons would vibrate back and forth at
about 0.01 nanometer per 0.1 microsecond. Consider how large 0.01
nanometer really is so for all practical purposes, electrons don't
flow at all at HF frequencies. Electrons at HF are just a bucket
brigade for the photons that deliver the RF energy to the diode
detector. Unless a circuit is at DC steady-state, photons are
involved, i.e. RF involves photons which constitute the RF fields and
RF waves.

No matter how big the back and forth are. If is a diode electrons must flow
in one direction.
Do not be lazy and measure it.
S*

I can not debate your particular area other than to point what I have
in actuality.
By removing all reactance especially the magnetic field the current
flow removed itself from the material and travels on the surface.
This is not unusual as superconductors drop to zero resistance when
the magnetic field is canceled or removed. There are only two
resistances in radiation and if no skin depth is then generated then
the material and its resistance is removed from Maxwell's equations
Now one can question my understanding as to what is happening but the
fact is my antenna
swr does not go above 3:1 no matter what band I am on! Yes, by not
understanding what is really happening it would be easy to say "dummy
load " but that is not the real answer.
So I would ask all what exactly is impossible
about the sequence of event that I describe while adding that computer
programs confirm it?
By the way the antenna is sitting om the grass
as height does not affect dish antennas!

On 10/21/2010 12:38 PM, Art Unwin wrote:
On Oct 21, 11:35 am, "Szczepan wrote:
"Cecil ...
On Oct 21, 3:09 am, "Szczepan wrote:

1. Electron must flow from the antenna to the ground,
Nope, RF electrons don't actually flow. They essentially vibrate in

place.

The same is with the all AC. If between the live line and the ground is the
diode "Electron must flow from the line to the ground".

"For a copper wire of radius 1 mm carrying a steady current of

10 amps, the DC drift velocity is only about 0.24 nanometer per
microsecond." At 10 MHz, the electrons would vibrate back and forth at
about 0.01 nanometer per 0.1 microsecond. Consider how large 0.01
nanometer really is so for all practical purposes, electrons don't
flow at all at HF frequencies. Electrons at HF are just a bucket
brigade for the photons that deliver the RF energy to the diode
detector. Unless a circuit is at DC steady-state, photons are
involved, i.e. RF involves photons which constitute the RF fields and
RF waves.

No matter how big the back and forth are. If is a diode electrons must flow
in one direction.
Do not be lazy and measure it.
S*

I can not debate your particular area other than to point what I have
in actuality.
By removing all reactance especially the magnetic field the current
flow removed itself from the material and travels on the surface.
This is not unusual as superconductors drop to zero resistance when
the magnetic field is canceled or removed. There are only two
resistances in radiation and if no skin depth is then generated then
the material and its resistance is removed from Maxwell's equations
Now one can question my understanding as to what is happening but the
fact is my antenna
swr does not go above 3:1 no matter what band I am on! Yes, by not
understanding what is really happening it would be easy to say "dummy
load " but that is not the real answer.
So I would ask all what exactly is impossible
about the sequence of event that I describe while adding that computer
programs confirm it?
By the way the antenna is sitting om the grass
as height does not affect dish antennas!

Pick a band. Pick a time. Let's have a contact.

I know what the answer will be of course, an excuse why you can't have a
Q with me or anyone else.

tom
K0TAR

On Oct 21, 12:38*pm, Art Unwin wrote:

Now one can question my understanding as to what is happening but the
fact is my antenna
swr does not go above 3:1 no matter what band I am on! Yes, by not
understanding what is really happening it would be easy to say "dummy
load " but that is not the real answer.

What would you consider the answer to be?
It's really an inefficient toaster oven?

So I would ask all what exactly is impossible
about the sequence of event that I describe while adding that computer
programs confirm it?

You want the Bush or the Obama explanation?

Lets ask both.. Hey Gee Dub, what do you think?

"Son, your misapplication of the modeling programs
have led you astray. Number one, you can't polish a
turd into a diamond. Believe me, I've already tried it
out at the Crawford ranch. Didn't pan out...
Number two, the modeling programs are not coded to
deal with turd polishing. So any results obtained from
misapplying an antenna modeling program to simulate
the performance of a polished turd is bound to end in
frustration and gross error."

Hey Barry, what's your angle?

"I think we should give him a $500.000.00 grant!"

I guess it was a split decision.. :/


By the way the antenna is sitting om the grass
as height does not affect dish antennas!

Actually, it does make it easier for the dog to drink
the rain water out of it. Good call!