I have a 2000 model year Ford Taurus wagon, and am thinking about mounting a
through-glass antenna on one of the back side windows. Yes, I know---a roof
mount would work better, but I would have to get a hole punch and a divorce
lawyer to do it ;-)

Does anyone have any practical experience with this set up? Does the window
tinting cause any problems on 146 MHz or 440 MHz? There is a completely
dark (opaque) band around the edge of the window. Should this be avoided?

I have seen Taurus wagons with cell phone antennas on the back side windows,
and was wondering how it worked on the ham bands.

Jim
N8EE

Jim,

Think about the front windshield behind the rear view mirror. That is
where I ran one on a Z-28 and Corvette and it worked great.

Dick - AA5VU

In article ,
"JLB" wrote:

I have a 2000 model year Ford Taurus wagon, and am thinking about mounting a
through-glass antenna on one of the back side windows. Yes, I know---a roof
mount would work better, but I would have to get a hole punch and a divorce
lawyer to do it ;-)

Does anyone have any practical experience with this set up? Does the window
tinting cause any problems on 146 MHz or 440 MHz? There is a completely
dark (opaque) band around the edge of the window. Should this be avoided?

I have seen Taurus wagons with cell phone antennas on the back side windows,
and was wondering how it worked on the ham bands.

Jim
N8EE

Dick,

I think the reason that is a safe place is that the auto manufacturers
know that drivers like to mount radar detectors there, and that requires
an RF-transparent section of glass.

73,
Bob AD3K

Dick, AA5VU wrote:
Jim,

Think about the front windshield behind the rear view mirror. That is
where I ran one on a Z-28 and Corvette and it worked great.

Dick - AA5VU

In article ,
"JLB" wrote:


I have a 2000 model year Ford Taurus wagon, and am thinking about mounting a
through-glass antenna on one of the back side windows. Yes, I know---a roof
mount would work better, but I would have to get a hole punch and a divorce
lawyer to do it ;-)

Does anyone have any practical experience with this set up? Does the window
tinting cause any problems on 146 MHz or 440 MHz? There is a completely
dark (opaque) band around the edge of the window. Should this be avoided?

I have seen Taurus wagons with cell phone antennas on the back side windows,
and was wondering how it worked on the ham bands.

Jim
N8EE

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Bob, AD3K, made a good point that I overlooked. I had very good success
with the thru-the-glass behind the rear view mirror. It even cleared the
garage door.

I drive a C5 Corvette now and could not figure out where to mount the
dual-bander so it is mounted on a bean bag lap top desk and ride in the
passenger seat or on the hump when someone is onboard. The antenna is a
small dual-band mag mount on a thin steel plate in the hatch area. It
works!

dick aa5vu

In article ,
Robert Spooner wrote:

Dick,

I think the reason that is a safe place is that the auto manufacturers
know that drivers like to mount radar detectors there, and that requires
an RF-transparent section of glass.

73,
Bob AD3K

Dick, AA5VU wrote:
Jim,

Think about the front windshield behind the rear view mirror. That is
where I ran one on a Z-28 and Corvette and it worked great.

Dick - AA5VU

In article ,
"JLB" wrote:


I have a 2000 model year Ford Taurus wagon, and am thinking about mounting a
through-glass antenna on one of the back side windows. Yes, I know---a roof
mount would work better, but I would have to get a hole punch and a divorce
lawyer to do it ;-)

Does anyone have any practical experience with this set up? Does the window
tinting cause any problems on 146 MHz or 440 MHz? There is a completely
dark (opaque) band around the edge of the window. Should this be avoided?

I have seen Taurus wagons with cell phone antennas on the back side windows,
and was wondering how it worked on the ham bands.

Jim
N8EE

Just get a mag mount, that is a magnetic mount.
You can change out the rod for longer wavelengths
put on roof, or trunk, take off when done
(doesn't look good on the hood, )
your ham store should have them too.



"JLB" wrote in message
...
I have a 2000 model year Ford Taurus wagon, and am thinking about mounting
a
through-glass antenna on one of the back side windows. Yes, I know---a
roof
mount would work better, but I would have to get a hole punch and a
divorce
lawyer to do it ;-)

Does anyone have any practical experience with this set up? Does the
window
tinting cause any problems on 146 MHz or 440 MHz? There is a completely
dark (opaque) band around the edge of the window. Should this be avoided?

I have seen Taurus wagons with cell phone antennas on the back side
windows,
and was wondering how it worked on the ham bands.

Jim
N8EE

John Smith wrote:
Just get a mag mount, that is a magnetic mount.

One nice thing about a mag mount is that if you hit something
pretty hard, it just falls over but keeps attaching itself
to the vehicle body. I stopped worrying about parking garages,
trees, etc. I could hear it fall over and when everything was
clear, I simply stopped the vehicle and straightened it back
up. Sometimes the simple way is the best way. Life doesn't have
to be complicated.
--
73, Cecil, W5DXP



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JLB wrote:

I have a 2000 model year Ford Taurus wagon, and am thinking about mounting a
through-glass antenna on one of the back side windows. Yes, I know---a roof
mount would work better, but I would have to get a hole punch and a divorce
lawyer to do it ;-)

Does anyone have any practical experience with this set up? Does the window
tinting cause any problems on 146 MHz or 440 MHz?

Possibly

There is a completely dark (opaque) band around the edge of the window.
Should this be avoided?

YES


I have seen Taurus wagons with cell phone antennas on the back side windows,
and was wondering how it worked on the ham bands.

Cell phone antennas perform poorly on 2 & 440 grin. I presume you
mean the mounting not the antenna. Through the glass should be fine.

I use a Larsen Through the Glass and there is no noticeable loss of
signal. Theoretically, the loss is about 0.5 to 1.0 dB for clear glass.

Deacon Dave, W1MCE


Jim
N8EE

On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 23:54:51 GMT, Dave Shrader
wrote:
Theoretically, the loss is about 0.5 to 1.0 dB for clear glass.

Hi Dave,

What's the theory?

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

If it is smoked or mirrored glass,
you can use the "smoke and mirrors theory"
(yes, this is an attempt at humor)

"Richard Clark" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 23:54:51 GMT, Dave Shrader
wrote:
Theoretically, the loss is about 0.5 to 1.0 dB for clear glass.

Hi Dave,

What's the theory?

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Richard Clark wrote:

On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 23:54:51 GMT, Dave Shrader
wrote:

Theoretically, the loss is about 0.5 to 1.0 dB for clear glass.


Hi Dave,

What's the theory?

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

My EM guys, Physics types, [from my working days] indicated that the
three dielectric interfaces, adhesive to glass to adhesive, all with
different dielectric coefficients create reflections at the boundaries.