On Wednesday, August 1, 2012 11:09:46 AM UTC-5, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Each radio amateur is able to prove (and measure the net flow) that
electrons jump off from the transmitting antenna.

Electrons that "jump off" a transmitting antenna are known to be non-coherent. Such is called "corona", an undesirable effect for antennas. The coherent particles that can be measured being emitted from an antenna are photons and that's NOT a new hypothesis. It's close to being a century old. Einstein was awarded the Nobel Prize in 1921 for discovering the nature of the photoelectric effect of photons.
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73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

On 8/1/2012 11:24 AM, Ian wrote:
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| Szczepan wrote:
| Each radio amateur is able to prove (and measure the net flow) that
| electrons jump off from the transmitting antenna.
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| And determine that it is zero...
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| For what you need the new hiphothesis?
|
| I think it is you that keeps coming up with nonconforming ideas about
| how antennas operate. So we'll call your hypothesis "new" even though
| you dig it out of 150 year old documents.

Hello Rob.

As others have said, and a search confirms, Szczepan has been posting some
of his ideas for a year or more. Seems unable to read, understand and learn
whereas most children with a textbook are capable of reading, understanding
and learning.
I think I have worked with only one person who refused to learn new ideas
and techniques. His work involved using a new computer. I showed him how
to use it and then let him try to get on with the job. Eventually he did
become willing to have a go. He now seems progressive in comparison with
Szczepan.

73, Ian.




He is a TROLL.

Please quit feeding him.

tom
K0TAR

"W5DXP" napisal w wiadomosci
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On Wednesday, August 1, 2012 11:09:46 AM UTC-5, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Each radio amateur is able to prove (and measure the net flow) that
electrons jump off from the transmitting antenna.

Electrons that "jump off" a transmitting antenna are known to be
non-coherent. Such is called "corona", an undesirable effect for antennas.
The coherent particles that can be measured being emitted from an antenna
are photons and that's NOT a new hypothesis. It's close to being a century
old. Einstein was awarded the Nobel Prize in 1921 for discovering the
nature of the photoelectric effect of photons.

"Later, in 1905 Albert Einstein went further by suggesting that
electromagnetic waves could only exist in these discrete wave-packets.[5] He
called such a wave-packet the light quantum (German: das Lichtquant). "

"As shown by Albert Einstein,[5][38] some form of energy quantization must
be assumed to account for the thermal equilibrium observed between matter
and electromagnetic radiation; for this explanation of the photoelectric
effect, Einstein received the 1921 Nobel Prize in physics.[39]"

"Hence, Einstein's hypothesis that quantization is a property of light
itself is considered to be proven."

Natural light is emitted from many oscillators in discrete wave-packets.
Hertz made the one oscillator which radiate the discrete wave-packets. The
Hertz waves are exactly as the light.
But the CW are emitted continuously.
Who was awarded the Nobel Prize for discovering any portions in CW?
S*

On Thursday, August 2, 2012 2:59:40 AM UTC-5, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Natural light is emitted from many oscillators in discrete wave-packets.
Hertz waves are exactly as the light.

Thanks for proving yourself wrong.
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73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

Szczepan Bialek wrote:

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On Wednesday, August 1, 2012 11:09:46 AM UTC-5, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Each radio amateur is able to prove (and measure the net flow) that
electrons jump off from the transmitting antenna.

Electrons that "jump off" a transmitting antenna are known to be
non-coherent. Such is called "corona", an undesirable effect for antennas.
The coherent particles that can be measured being emitted from an antenna
are photons and that's NOT a new hypothesis. It's close to being a century
old. Einstein was awarded the Nobel Prize in 1921 for discovering the
nature of the photoelectric effect of photons.

"Later, in 1905 Albert Einstein went further by suggesting that
electromagnetic waves could only exist in these discrete wave-packets.[5] He
called such a wave-packet the light quantum (German: das Lichtquant). "

"As shown by Albert Einstein,[5][38] some form of energy quantization must
be assumed to account for the thermal equilibrium observed between matter
and electromagnetic radiation; for this explanation of the photoelectric
effect, Einstein received the 1921 Nobel Prize in physics.[39]"

"Hence, Einstein's hypothesis that quantization is a property of light
itself is considered to be proven."

And that light quantum is known today as the photon to everyone but you.

Natural light is emitted from many oscillators in discrete wave-packets.
Hertz made the one oscillator which radiate the discrete wave-packets. The
Hertz waves are exactly as the light.
But the CW are emitted continuously.
Who was awarded the Nobel Prize for discovering any portions in CW?

All a bunch of gibberish nonsense; all electromagnetic radiation is photons.

Do you wear slip on shoes?

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On Thursday, August 2, 2012 2:59:40 AM UTC-5, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Natural light is emitted from many oscillators in discrete wave-packets.
Hertz waves are exactly as the light.

Thanks for proving yourself wrong.

Are the radio waves emitted from the Hertz apparatus and the light from the
Sun different?
S*

Szczepan Bialek wrote:

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On Thursday, August 2, 2012 2:59:40 AM UTC-5, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Natural light is emitted from many oscillators in discrete wave-packets.
Hertz waves are exactly as the light.

Thanks for proving yourself wrong.

Are the radio waves emitted from the Hertz apparatus and the light from the
Sun different?

In frequency, yes, in composition, no.

Do you wear slip on shoes?

"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
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| Are the radio waves emitted from the Hertz apparatus and the light from
the
| Sun different?
| S*

Good evening Szczepan .
Why do you ask? Why do you want to know? We know you will only disagree with
our answers.

Regards, Ian.

On Thursday, August 2, 2012 12:37:11 PM UTC-5, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Are the radio waves emitted from the Hertz apparatus and the light from the
Sun different?

There is much more energy in one visible light photon than in one RF photon.. The fact that photon energy varies directly with frequency blows your "jumping electron" theory right out of the water, i.e. recognized as a scientific myth by all rational technical people since long before any of us were born. "Electrons jumping off an antenna" is akin to the theory of a flat earth at the center of the universe. Do you still believe that one?

If and when an electron leaves an antenna, it ceases to be exposed to the RF energy that is causing it to vibrate and *becomes like any other electron floating in space* - devoid of frequency and oscillations - incapable of propagating a coherent RF wave. Photons have no such limitations.
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73, Cecil, w5dxp.com