Channel Jumper wrote:

Instead of telling you how stupid your question is - I will refer you to
the FCC web site - Part 97.....

Part 97 says - no unauthroized transmissions - hence if you cannot ID
your signal, you cannot transmit anywhere except 11 meters.
11 meters you are limited to no more then 3 watts AM or 12 watts PEP
SSB..
No digital modes and no repeaters on 11 meters.

11 meters has nothing what so ever to do with the question.

There are many ways to ID a signal, and "unauthorized transmissions" has
little to noting to do with IDing.

Second off - if licensed as an amateur - you have to follow the band
plan.

No, you don't; band plans are voluntary.

You have to follow the FCC frequency allocations.

You can't just pick a frequency that sounds quiet and start operating.
One amateur recently was fined for operating on 350 Mhz band, I think
his fine was around $12,000.00

Irrelevant.

Microwave ovens operate at 2.45 GHz.

There is an amateur band at 2.39 to 2.45 GHz. One should probably
force the frequency down a little to be safe.

Third - you would need to limit your transmit power to no more then 1500
watts PEP, and you would have to have the equipment no only to measure
the transmit power, but also to do a field survey - since if you had
neighbors, you would have to test the exposure limits in the
neighborhood.

Not quite.

First, there are few, if any, microwave magnetrons capable of 1.5 KW so
the requirement to measure output is moot; just pick one that puts out
less than 1.5 Kw.

Second, a field survey is not appropriate nor needed for a directional
antenna pointing into the sky.

Your records would have to be kept of when you operated and available
for review by the FCC - should they come knocking on your door.

Nonsense; the US requirement for ham logging went away a long time ago.

Most of the band specturm is being used for one thing or another and
just because you think that it is high enough that no one would hear
you, doesn't mean that someone isn't using it for something legally /
commercially..

Again, nonsense as there is a ham band where microwave oven magnetrons
operate.

http://www.arrl.org/part-97-amateur-radio

http://www.ntia.doc.gov/files/ntia/p...3-allochrt.pdf

Read your own links and note the 2.39 to 2.45 GHz ham band.

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Channel Jumper wrote:

Instead of telling you how stupid your question is - I will refer you to
the FCC web site - Part 97.....

Part 97 says - no unauthroized transmissions - hence if you cannot ID
your signal, you cannot transmit anywhere except 11 meters.
11 meters you are limited to no more then 3 watts AM or 12 watts PEP
SSB..
No digital modes and no repeaters on 11 meters.

11 meters has nothing what so ever to do with the question.

There are many ways to ID a signal, and "unauthorized transmissions" has
little to noting to do with IDing.

Second off - if licensed as an amateur - you have to follow the band
plan.

No, you don't; band plans are voluntary.

You have to follow the FCC frequency allocations.

You can't just pick a frequency that sounds quiet and start operating.
One amateur recently was fined for operating on 350 Mhz band, I think
his fine was around $12,000.00

Irrelevant.

Microwave ovens operate at 2.45 GHz.

There is an amateur band at 2.39 to 2.45 GHz. One should probably
force the frequency down a little to be safe.

Third - you would need to limit your transmit power to no more then 1500
watts PEP, and you would have to have the equipment no only to measure
the transmit power, but also to do a field survey - since if you had
neighbors, you would have to test the exposure limits in the
neighborhood.

Not quite.

First, there are few, if any, microwave magnetrons capable of 1.5 KW so
the requirement to measure output is moot; just pick one that puts out
less than 1.5 Kw.

Second, a field survey is not appropriate nor needed for a directional
antenna pointing into the sky.

Your records would have to be kept of when you operated and available
for review by the FCC - should they come knocking on your door.

Nonsense; the US requirement for ham logging went away a long time ago.

Most of the band specturm is being used for one thing or another and
just because you think that it is high enough that no one would hear
you, doesn't mean that someone isn't using it for something legally /
commercially..

Again, nonsense as there is a ham band where microwave oven magnetrons
operate.

http://www.arrl.org/part-97-amateur-radio

http://www.ntia.doc.gov/files/ntia/p...3-allochrt.pdf

Read your own links and note the 2.39 to 2.45 GHz ham band.

Just a NOTE he Channel Jumper is an Idiot... all should know this
right off....

The CW Power of a Microwave Magnitron is measured In Watts, and if you
PULSE that Magnitron by sending your ID in Morse Code, and then average
the Pulses over Time, you reduce the actual ERP by the Duty Cycle, which
figures into the Legal Power Output. Just keep the emissions within the
2.4 Ghz Ham Band and with a Tech or higher Class License your all set.

I mean Duh.... this should be self-evident to ANY Ham who can read
english and googled CFR47Part97....

If a person cannot read the answer, then when they become combative, they tend to drift off the subject with their own axe to grind.

If you can get someone to read this to him, the only place other then 11 meters where a person can operate without a license is FRS - which allows one half of one watt of transmit power....

A Band Plan - be it FCC - which I posted or ARRL is one in the same.
ARRL band plan tends to just show Amateur Frequencies - since that is all that amateurs are concerned with....

Maybe you never heard of a pink slip - operate sometime on the CW portion in SSB Phone or AM and see how long you can operate before someone gives you heck...

Do it on a continous basis - and see how long you can operate before you get a pink slip...

Channel Jumper wrote:

If a person cannot read the answer, then when they become combative,
they tend to drift off the subject with their own axe to grind.

Babble.

If you can get someone to read this to him, the only place other then 11
meters where a person can operate without a license is FRS - which
allows one half of one watt of transmit power....

Not true and irrelevant anyway.

A Band Plan - be it FCC - which I posted or ARRL is one in the same.

Nope.

ARRL band plan tends to just show Amateur Frequencies - since that is
all that amateurs are concerned with....

Nope.

Maybe you never heard of a pink slip - operate sometime on the CW
portion in SSB Phone or AM and see how long you can operate before
someone gives you heck...

Irrelevant.

Do it on a continous basis - and see how long you can operate before you
get a pink slip...

Babble.

Jef wrote:


A Band Plan - be it FCC - which I posted or ARRL is one in the same.
ARRL band plan tends to just show Amateur Frequencies - since that is
all that amateurs are concerned with....


That is not correct, The FCC limit what modes may be transmitted on what
frequency *on some bands*, but that is very different from the ARRL or
IARU bandplans, which are much more detailed. The FCC place no
restrictions on 70cms and above.

Jeff

Almost, but not quite.

The FCC defines the frequencies and the emission modes that MAY be used
on the frequencies and this is law.

A band plan such as the ARRL's is a voluntary suggestion for the best
practices use of the various emissions within a band, i.e. a band plan
will show where within a band FM repeaters, SSB, TV, etc. should operate.

Note that while band plans are voluntary and carry no legal authority,
gross violations of band plans can be concidered to be willful interference
to other users, and as such IS a legal issue.

And Basically, the FCC just says this is the allowable frequencies, and where they are located.
The ARRL Band Plan says this is our frequencies and this is how you can use them.
The FCC explain's how power is measured and how side bands affects performance and defines interference.
They even go so far as to explain how much spectrum your signal is allowed to occupy and how close to band limits you are allowed to approach.

As far as the log went, up and until recently - you still had to keep a log for 60 meters, - before the power increase and you are only allowed to operate into a dipole antenna.
I think it has something to do with the algorythym's of a persons heart and the ability to kill someone with your RF if they get too close or have heart problems.

The origional question is moot at this point, because you are not a licensed amateur and you do not have permission to have emmissions anywhere except a small segment of the UHF - called FRS and the 11 meters - which is where all of this started.

If you had an amateur radio license, we wouldn't even be talking about this right now, or the banter back n forth.
This is the purpose of the amateur radio license exams ' - to give everyone at least a little exposure to the rules and regulations and proper operating procedures. This is also the reason why I am dead set against reissueing licenses to people who left their license lasp and to allow ham in a day classes - where a person that doesn't know anything, is allowed to cram for one day and get a license without ever having to operate or know anything.

This mindset does not produce - trained radio operators - at no cost to the government.

Channel Jumper wrote:

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And Basically, the FCC just says this is the allowable frequencies, and
where they are located.

OK so far, except it should be "these are the allowable..." and once the
frequencies are stated you know "where they are located".

The ARRL Band Plan says this is our frequencies and this is how you can
use them.

Essentially, except it should be "these are our frequencies and this is how
you should use them".

The FCC explain's how power is measured and how side bands affects
performance and defines interference.

Not quite.

They even go so far as to explain how much spectrum your signal is
allowed to occupy and how close to band limits you are allowed to
approach.

Straying off into la-la land here.

As far as the log went, up and until recently - you still had to keep a
log for 60 meters, - before the power increase and you are only allowed
to operate into a dipole antenna.

Yep, into la-la land.

Operations concidered experimental, i.e. performed under a waiver, require
logging, normal operations do not and have not for a long time.

I think it has something to do with the algorythym's of a persons heart
and the ability to kill someone with your RF if they get too close or
have heart problems.

Nope, not even close.

The origional question is moot at this point, because you are not a
licensed amateur and you do not have permission to have emmissions
anywhere except a small segment of the UHF - called FRS and the 11
meters - which is where all of this started.

Who is it that you think is not a licensed amateur?

If you had an amateur radio license, we wouldn't even be talking about
this right now, or the banter back n forth.

If you mean me, I've been licensed since 1964 and the reason for this
"banter" is that most everything you post is nonsense.

This is the purpose of the amateur radio license exams ' - to give
everyone at least a little exposure to the rules and regulations and
proper operating procedures. This is also the reason why I am dead set
against reissueing licenses to people who left their license lasp and to
allow ham in a day classes - where a person that doesn't know anything,
is allowed to cram for one day and get a license without ever having to
operate or know anything.

Rambling nonsense.

This mindset does not produce - trained radio operators - at no cost to
the government.

Ditto.