In message , Ian Jackson
writes
In message ,
Lostgallifreyan writes



Eternal September is a namd

?

I have read
in contexts of posters naming some systems with a bad hit-rate for troll
sources.

Yes, RIP news.demon.co.uk.

ES is just fine. Freenews.netfront.net also works, as does
nntp.aioe.org (although take care with their well-intentioned rules).
Even though they say they don't carry binaries, ES certainly does allow
access to a few binary NGs, as does freenews.netfront.net.

I see it carries alt.binaries.schematics.electronic; useful if anyone
wants to post antenna related diagrams and the like.

73 Brian
--
Brian Howie

Jerry Stuckle wrote in news:m3orvu$d93$1@dont-
email.me:

In the United States, it is called "First Inventor to File". You can
find more information at
http://www.uspto.gov/aia_implementat...t_inventor.jsp.


The main thing I need to know now is: can nothing but a full patent protect
my own work from being effectively satolen from the instant I put it in the
public domain, leaving me with absolutely no right to distribute or profit
from it in any way at all?

If that IS so, then the patent system is violently in need of serious reform,
but as far as I'm concerned it basically means one thing: I shall never
release my work. If the workd will not share it, it will die with me. End of
discussion.

Brian Reay wrote in news:441948959437305285.373419no.sp-
:

If you have something to protect, seek professional advice. It is a bit of
a
mine field. Plus, if you work for a company, they may have something in
your
contract of employment which gives them a claim, or they will say it does.
That could lead to a 'parting of the ways', possibly in your favour
financially etc.
but involve a lawyer to ensure you secure your position.


I won't patent. I've been reading of the cost in the UK. (All figures are
UKP) 3000 to 6000. Add 10000 give or take not very much to add US protection.
That;s in the first year. You have to add about 4 grand more within a year
and a half, maybe more, and that's ignoring ALL costs of actually defending a
patent! Add those, the costs soar to around 150 grand.

I will not release my code to the public domain unless there is a GUARANTEED
way to prevent patent trolls and sharks from stealing it, a way that does not
extort more money than I may ever earn before I even start to earn it!

If there is no such way, then I may release code that strictly emulates an
existing instrument (the Yamaha DX7) in its main funtion, and on the strength
of that, I will hope to find a performer who can afford to take on the
extended code privately as a performing instrument.

Why is it that patents force me to seriously consider ideas of elite
sponsorship that belong to the 16th century?! Has the world of ideas and the
right to profit from original work really progresses so little in all those
years? After all, the only way to win the game is to have already won. I'm
not going to cause myself misery fighting tautologies like that.

I don't think patents are what I should be asking about. The real question
is: how do I defend my work from the patent system while trying to earn money
from it, or share it with the world?

"rickman" wrote in message
...

This thread is being overrun by the same Gareth obsessed crap

But this thread was started off in that spirit!

Perhaps it is you and Lostie who are polluting this NG with
long-winded threads about nothing related to amateur radio
or to antennae?

"Lostgallifreyan" wrote in message
. ..
I will not release my code to the public domain unless there is a
GUARANTEED
way to prevent patent trolls and sharks from stealing it, a way that does
not
extort more money than I may ever earn before I even start to earn it!

But from what you have been rabbiting on about (and polluting this NG with
off
topic irrelevancies) your code is trivial to a software engineer.

In message , rickman
writes
On 11/7/2014 7:34 AM, Lostgallifreyan wrote:
Percy Picacity wrote in
:

There are a number of good free text group newsservers, such as Eternal
September, and at least one paid-for one with a good reputation that
only costs 10GBP a year (news.individual.net). So I hope we don't have
to lose you.


Thankyou. I will look into it. Two caveats though... The one free one I
looked at so far isn't free if I want to post. The other is that the truly
free ones may be a haunt of trolls, Eternal September is a namd I have read
in contexts of posters naming some systems with a bad hit-rate for troll
sources.

What difference does it make if trolls use the same ISP for newsgroups
that you do? You use the same roads as every bank robber, no?

I think he was suggesting killfiling on all posts from Eternal
Sepetember users . Otherwise that's correct, what you see on the
newsgroups is independent to whom you subscribe.

Brian
--
Brian Howie

"Mike Tomlinson" wrote in message
...
Thanks Steve. I'm quite sure the v*** old c***'s whinge will be
treated with the respect it deserves. In the meantime I'll continue
forwarding material to my contact at Chippenham police station.
Certainly won't be losing any sleep

So what does that make you as you yourself are triumphing that you are
regularly reporting me?

Sauce for the goose, etc?

Stupid boy.

On 11/10/2014 4:18 AM, Lostgallifreyan wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote in news:m3orvu$d93$1@dont-
email.me:

In the United States, it is called "First Inventor to File". You can
find more information at
http://www.uspto.gov/aia_implementat...t_inventor.jsp.


The main thing I need to know now is: can nothing but a full patent protect
my own work from being effectively satolen from the instant I put it in the
public domain, leaving me with absolutely no right to distribute or profit
from it in any way at all?

If that IS so, then the patent system is violently in need of serious reform,
but as far as I'm concerned it basically means one thing: I shall never
release my work. If the workd will not share it, it will die with me. End of
discussion.


Basically, that's it. Even if you create something, if I file for a
patent first, I get the patent.

Yes, the U.S. patent system is totally screwed up, and has been for
years (some would even say decades).

--
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Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry, AI0K

==================

On 11/10/2014 5:29 AM, Lostgallifreyan wrote:
Brian Reay wrote in news:441948959437305285.373419no.sp-
:

If you have something to protect, seek professional advice. It is a bit of
a
mine field. Plus, if you work for a company, they may have something in
your
contract of employment which gives them a claim, or they will say it does.
That could lead to a 'parting of the ways', possibly in your favour
financially etc.
but involve a lawyer to ensure you secure your position.


I won't patent. I've been reading of the cost in the UK. (All figures are
UKP) 3000 to 6000. Add 10000 give or take not very much to add US protection.
That;s in the first year. You have to add about 4 grand more within a year
and a half, maybe more, and that's ignoring ALL costs of actually defending a
patent! Add those, the costs soar to around 150 grand.

I will not release my code to the public domain unless there is a GUARANTEED
way to prevent patent trolls and sharks from stealing it, a way that does not
extort more money than I may ever earn before I even start to earn it!

If there is no such way, then I may release code that strictly emulates an
existing instrument (the Yamaha DX7) in its main funtion, and on the strength
of that, I will hope to find a performer who can afford to take on the
extended code privately as a performing instrument.

Why is it that patents force me to seriously consider ideas of elite
sponsorship that belong to the 16th century?! Has the world of ideas and the
right to profit from original work really progresses so little in all those
years? After all, the only way to win the game is to have already won. I'm
not going to cause myself misery fighting tautologies like that.

I don't think patents are what I should be asking about. The real question
is: how do I defend my work from the patent system while trying to earn money
from it, or share it with the world?


Well, unless your code contains a "new and innovative idea", it's not
patentable, anyway. You can copyright the code (it's automatically
copyrighted, anyway - but you have to register that copyright in the
U.S. to have any *real* protection), but not necessarily patent it.

--
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Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry, AI0K

==================

Jerry Stuckle wrote in news:m3qe13$n1r$1@dont-
email.me:

Basically, that's it. Even if you create something, if I file for a
patent first, I get the patent.

Yes, the U.S. patent system is totally screwed up, and has been for
years (some would even say decades).


What that means a hothouse. A rainforest. Each new form only able to survicve
in an exclusive location. A multiltude of privately held creations surviving
mainly because no-one else knows they are there. The law of the jungle. Earth
to Earth, dust to dust, even before death. No wonder the 'western world' is
tanked. It's stifling its own growth and probably deserves to die. China will
win, so long as it can continue to innovate. After all, it has done so for
thousands of years longer than the US, the UK, and pretty much anywhere. It's
communist historyu is a small abberation on that scale.

Maybe the only hope of doing anythign other than returning to a mediaeval
model here, is to live somewhere that has the power and disregard of
'Western' patents as China does, combined with the ability to defend itself.
I'll settle for e the mediaeval model, as UK life and morals and social
standards and political structure is headed back there anyway. Go with the
flow, says I.