Why is it that both in uk.radio.amateur and in rec.radio.amateur.antenna
that
there are a large number of people who complain that the NG is being ruined
by rude remarks, even going so far as to claim that their victims are only
looking
for such abuse in order to justify their own, and yet who produce so much
of the effluent that they themsleves proscribe?

These NG should be for technical discussion or debate, but not for slanging
matches initiated by those whose knowledge is poor.

Let's have technical ideas discussed, and, if you don't agree, then rebuff
with reasoned technical responses, or else follow the old adage that the
fool
is advised to keep his mouth shut.

For example, it is well established in the technical literature at degree
level and
above, that short antennae are poor radiators, which is modelled by the
distribution
of energy being attributed to an apparent radiation resistance of an
extremely low value,
although in actuality there is no resistance in the sense of Ohm's Law!

On 2014-11-05 10:59:31 +0000, gareth said:
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For example, it is well established in the technical literature at
degree level and
above, that short antennae are poor radiators,


Only if you progress so far above degree level as to reach cloud cuckoo land.




which is modelled by the distribution
of energy being attributed to an apparent radiation resistance of an
extremely low value,

That clause is totally devoid of meaning.




although in actuality there is no resistance in the sense of Ohm's Law!



AFAIK radiation resistance is totally obedient to Ohm's law. The fact
that radiation resistance is not fabricated from a piece of
poorly-conducting physical material does not make it any less a
resistance with all the necessary properties to meet the definition of
resistance, at a given frequency.


Sorry to join in, but I do think the total number of people agreeing
this is incorrect is important for readers trying to assess who is
right.


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Percy Picacity

"Percy Picacity" wrote in message
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AFAIK radiation resistance is totally obedient to Ohm's law.

Radiation "resistance" changes with the frequency of the applied AC.

On 2014-11-05 14:42:04 +0000, gareth said:

"Percy Picacity" wrote in message
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AFAIK radiation resistance is totally obedient to Ohm's law.

Radiation "resistance" changes with the frequency of the applied AC.

Which is why the rest of the statement you snipped says "at a given frequency".

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Percy Picacity

On 05/11/2014 15:26, Percy Picacity wrote:
On 2014-11-05 14:42:04 +0000, gareth said:

"Percy Picacity" wrote in message
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AFAIK radiation resistance is totally obedient to Ohm's law.

Radiation "resistance" changes with the frequency of the applied AC.

Which is why the rest of the statement you snipped says "at a given
frequency".


That is one of his tricks. He did something similar when I corrected him
re Maxwell and then went off on another tangent.

Frank is the same, having rubbished the 756 them produced data which
shows it out performs the radio he has been raving about, goes on about
the 756 issue being a red herring.

They both get rude and abusive when out witted technically, which is why
they are always rude and abusive.

There is no point is continuing trying to educate such people, I suspect
they know they are wrong but just won't admit it.
Spike can be the same but tends to go in for silly nick picking,
pretending he is searching out details and being analytical. He is being
something but analytical is 7 letters too long.

You said you wanted to buy a radio, depending on what you want, I'm sure
if you can decide if you need a base station or a mobile and some other
facilities, eg IF DSP, VHF/UHF, a TS2000, IC756Pro3 or TS480 would do
the job admirably.

If you want a 480, I noticed Martin Lynch has a S/H one in stock when I
was in there today, we called in returning from short break away. I
should have noted the price but I forget, my XYL drew my attention to
something she was interested in and I got distracted. Fortunately not so
distracted enough to forget to pick up a new quad band Wouxan ;-)

He had a couple of 718s as well, they were about £400 and a 756p3 for
about £1600. Also the Yaesu mobile with the oversized turning knob, I
forget the model, perhaps a 897? There where others, there are just the
ones I recall.

Best thing, if you can't get to a dealer and try a few, is see what the
locals have and see if you can visit their shacks and try them to see
what you like.

Once again, Brian, you dive in with ad hominem remarks unsullied by any
technical observations ...

"Brian Reay" wrote in message
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On 05/11/2014 15:26, Percy Picacity wrote:
On 2014-11-05 14:42:04 +0000, gareth said:
"Percy Picacity" wrote in message
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AFAIK radiation resistance is totally obedient to Ohm's law.
Radiation "resistance" changes with the frequency of the applied AC.
Which is why the rest of the statement you snipped says "at a given
frequency".

That is one of his tricks. He did something similar when I corrected him
re Maxwell and then went off on another tangent.

There is no trick in taking a statement at its face value and replying to
it.

You did not correct me with respect to Maxwell, in fact, you made a complete
fool of yourself by your assertion about a lack of differential results in
static
fields.


They both get rude and abusive when out witted technically, which is why
they are always rude and abusive.

The abusive rudeness comes from you, and you alone, as evidenced by this
post of
yours to which I am referring.

Why do you post so many ad hominem attacks that lack anything technical?


There is no point is continuing trying to educate such people, I suspect
they know they are wrong but just won't admit it.
Spike can be the same but tends to go in for silly nick picking,
pretending he is searching out details and being analytical. He is being
something but analytical is 7 letters too long.

Once again, Brian, despite your Ad Hominem protestations to the contrary,
the origination of personal abuse comes from you.


Fortunately not so distracted enough to forget to pick up a new quad band
Wouxan ;-)

The Childish Broadcaster (CBer) with his CB-style rig?

"Brian Reay" wrote in message
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If you want a 480, I noticed Martin Lynch has a S/H one in stock when I
was in there today, we called in returning from short break away.

You've been away for a short holiday and yet you felt compelled during that
time to post your spleen-a'venting in this NG?

Good god, Brian, for most of us, the idea of a family holiday is to get
away.

En el artículo , Percy Picacity
escribió:

Sorry to join in, but I do think the total number of people agreeing
this is incorrect is important for readers trying to assess who is
right.

You have to realise that the laws of physics don't apply to arseholes
like Gareth Alun Evans.

Another example of the parallel universe he inhabits is his belief in
polarised resistors. That resulted in a similarly tedious long-winded
campaign similar ot the current one about short antennae in which he is
right and the rest of the world wrong.

What a sad man G.A.R.R.T.H (Gormless Amateur Radio Enthusiast, Total
Headcase) is. Not only that, a nasty piece of work and an odious
creature (other people's words, not mine) to boot.

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"Mike Tomlinson" wrote in message
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En el artículo , Percy Picacity
escribió:
Sorry to join in, but I do think the total number of people agreeing
this is incorrect is important for readers trying to assess who is
right.
You have to realise that the laws of physics don't apply to arseholes
like Gareth Alun Evans.
Another example of the parallel universe he inhabits is his belief in
polarised resistors. That resulted in a similarly tedious long-winded
campaign similar ot the current one about short antennae in which he is
right and the rest of the world wrong.
What a sad man G.A.R.R.T.H (Gormless Amateur Radio Enthusiast, Total
Headcase) is. Not only that, a nasty piece of work and an odious
creature (other people's words, not mine) to boot.

Once again, you arrive spitting the feathers that result from your mental
illness,
and seeking to lay at my door the nastiness that only you yourself exhibit.

"Mike Tomlinson" wrote in message
...
En el artículo , Percy Picacity
escribió:
Sorry to join in, but I do think the total number of people agreeing
this is incorrect is important for readers trying to assess who is
right.

You have to realise that the laws of physics don't apply to arseholes
like Gareth Alun Evans.

Another example of the parallel universe he inhabits is his belief in
polarised resistors. That resulted in a similarly tedious long-winded
campaign similar ot the current one about short antennae in which he is
right and the rest of the world wrong.

What a sad man G.A.R.R.T.H (Gormless Amateur Radio Enthusiast, Total
Headcase) is. Not only that, a nasty piece of work and an odious
creature (other people's words, not mine) to boot.

Yup, and BOOT is exactly what PC Fuller did. Well done, that man.
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