On 7/27/2015 6:03 PM, John S wrote:
On 7/27/2015 3:45 PM, Wayne wrote:
Just today I got a question from a new ham on the pronunciation of balun.

He has been around the scientific community a lot (physicists, etc.) but
not many RF types such as engineers or hams.

He claims that he rarely has ever hear the pronunciation "bal uhn", and
I've rarely heard "bayl uhn".

Anybody want to weigh in on this, heh heh


I found this at ARRL:

https://www.arrl.org/files/file/Tech...df/7902015.pdf


Sorry, I should have added: See the section "Baluns - Are They Necessary?"

"John S" wrote in message ...

On 7/27/2015 3:45 PM, Wayne wrote:
Just today I got a question from a new ham on the pronunciation of balun.

He has been around the scientific community a lot (physicists, etc.) but
not many RF types such as engineers or hams.

He claims that he rarely has ever hear the pronunciation "bal uhn", and
I've rarely heard "bayl uhn".

Anybody want to weigh in on this, heh heh


I found this at ARRL:

https://www.arrl.org/files/file/Tech...df/7902015.pdf

Thanks, I'm going to forward this to my buddy.

"John S" wrote in message ...

On 7/27/2015 4:05 PM, rickman wrote:
On 7/27/2015 4:45 PM, Wayne wrote:
Just today I got a question from a new ham on the pronunciation of balun.

He has been around the scientific community a lot (physicists, etc.) but
not many RF types such as engineers or hams.

He claims that he rarely has ever hear the pronunciation "bal uhn", and
I've rarely heard "bayl uhn".

Anybody want to weigh in on this, heh heh

Where does the "y" come in? The word is a contraction of balanced and
unbalanced. So I figure it should be pronounced "bal uhn" just like the
beginning of the two words it stands for.

Maybe the 'y' is added further south than Virginia.


I think Wayne added the 'y' to indicate that the 'a' is pronounced as in
'ace' rather than as in 'father'.

Yes. I was trying to go for the sound of "bail un".

I have heard it both ways, but usually the "bail un" pronunciation comes
from someone not at all familiar with baluns.

Now, one wag questioned the pronunciation of modem (modulator/demodulator),
because it should be the first syllable of both words similar to balun.
That would make the pronunciation "mah dem"
That would be with the American pronunciation of modulator. I'm not sure
but the English pronunciation might have a long o sound in modulator.

On 7/27/2015 6:44 PM, John S wrote:
On 7/27/2015 4:05 PM, rickman wrote:
On 7/27/2015 4:45 PM, Wayne wrote:
Just today I got a question from a new ham on the pronunciation of
balun.

He has been around the scientific community a lot (physicists, etc.) but
not many RF types such as engineers or hams.

He claims that he rarely has ever hear the pronunciation "bal uhn", and
I've rarely heard "bayl uhn".

Anybody want to weigh in on this, heh heh

Where does the "y" come in? The word is a contraction of balanced and
unbalanced. So I figure it should be pronounced "bal uhn" just like the
beginning of the two words it stands for.

Maybe the 'y' is added further south than Virginia.


I think Wayne added the 'y' to indicate that the 'a' is pronounced as in
'ace' rather than as in 'father'.

I don't want to be nitpicky, but the a in 'father' is pronounced a bit
differently, like the a in 'all', while the first syllable in 'balance'
is pronounced as the a in bath. The a in 'father' uses the letter a as
the pronunciation symbol (or internationally the ä). The a in 'balance'
is represented by the symbol æ (looks like an a squished with an e).

I expect the people who are pronouncing it like 'bailiff' are thinking
the proximity of the vowel 'u' is making the 'a' long. But the rule is
really just a guideline and only applies when the word ends with an e,
if I remember.

So while this is certainly a subject for debate, everything I have found
(other than a single web page - By Gary Altunian "Stereos Expert") all
say it is balun or bælən.

--

Rick

On 7/27/2015 7:08 PM, rickman wrote:
On 7/27/2015 6:44 PM, John S wrote:
On 7/27/2015 4:05 PM, rickman wrote:
On 7/27/2015 4:45 PM, Wayne wrote:
Just today I got a question from a new ham on the pronunciation of
balun.

He has been around the scientific community a lot (physicists, etc.)
but
not many RF types such as engineers or hams.

He claims that he rarely has ever hear the pronunciation "bal uhn", and
I've rarely heard "bayl uhn".

Anybody want to weigh in on this, heh heh

Where does the "y" come in? The word is a contraction of balanced and
unbalanced. So I figure it should be pronounced "bal uhn" just like the
beginning of the two words it stands for.

Maybe the 'y' is added further south than Virginia.


I think Wayne added the 'y' to indicate that the 'a' is pronounced as in
'ace' rather than as in 'father'.

I don't want to be nitpicky, but the a in 'father' is pronounced a bit
differently, like the a in 'all', while the first syllable in 'balance'
is pronounced as the a in bath. The a in 'father' uses the letter a as
the pronunciation symbol (or internationally the ä). The a in 'balance'
is represented by the symbol æ (looks like an a squished with an e).

nitpicky is not a problem here. I will never object to some education.

I expect the people who are pronouncing it like 'bailiff' are thinking
the proximity of the vowel 'u' is making the 'a' long. But the rule is
really just a guideline and only applies when the word ends with an e,
if I remember.

So while this is certainly a subject for debate, everything I have found
(other than a single web page - By Gary Altunian "Stereos Expert") all
say it is balun or bælən.


I won't debate. I would rather go with the flow. In print, there is no
problem anyway. If I go to a club meeting and hear others pronounce it,
I will follow their lead.

On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 17:55:58 -0500, FBMBoomer
wrote:

When balun is mispronounced "bayl uhn" it increases the original
insertion loss by 2.3 percent. "Bailin" causes an increase loss of 3.3
percent. These losses can be reduced substantially by removing the
"baeleen".

If you really want inflated losses, I suggest you pronounce it
"balloon".

https://www.google.com/#q=pronounce+balun
Here's 4 ways to pronounce it. Add your own mutation:
https://www.howtopronounce.com/balun/

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On 7/27/2015 9:35 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 17:55:58 -0500, FBMBoomer
wrote:

When balun is mispronounced "bayl uhn" it increases the original
insertion loss by 2.3 percent. "Bailin" causes an increase loss of 3.3
percent. These losses can be reduced substantially by removing the
"baeleen".

If you really want inflated losses, I suggest you pronounce it
"balloon".

https://www.google.com/#q=pronounce+balun
Here's 4 ways to pronounce it. Add your own mutation:
https://www.howtopronounce.com/balun/

I saw those and listened. Two aren't even... what's the phonic
equivalent of legible? A third sounds like the speaker is dying. They
have thumbs up and down voting.

--

Rick

On 7/27/2015 8:35 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 17:55:58 -0500, FBMBoomer
wrote:

When balun is mispronounced "bayl uhn" it increases the original
insertion loss by 2.3 percent. "Bailin" causes an increase loss of 3.3
percent. These losses can be reduced substantially by removing the
"baeleen".

If you really want inflated losses, I suggest you pronounce it
"balloon".

https://www.google.com/#q=pronounce+balun
Here's 4 ways to pronounce it. Add your own mutation:
https://www.howtopronounce.com/balun/

That was the topper Jeff. Good for you

:-)

In message , John S
writes
On 7/27/2015 5:55 PM, FBMBoomer wrote:
On 7/27/2015 5:17 PM, Dave Platt wrote:
Just today I got a question from a new ham on the pronunciation of
balun.

He has been around the scientific community a lot (physicists, etc.)
but not
many RF types such as engineers or hams.

He claims that he rarely has ever hear the pronunciation "bal uhn",
and I've
rarely heard "bayl uhn".

I suspect it may be a regional-accent sort of thing. Some people
probably pronounce it based on its word origin ("balanced/unbalanced",
hence "bal uhn") and some based on its appearance (like "basic" or
"basted" or even "bailin' wire").




When balun is mispronounced "bayl uhn" it increases the original
insertion loss by 2.3 percent. "Bailin" causes an increase loss of 3.3
percent. These losses can be reduced substantially by removing the
"baeleen".

If it is pronounced "transformer", the insertion gain goes up 3.05 degrees.

F, C or K?
--
Ian

In message , Jeff writes

When balun is mispronounced "bayl uhn" it increases the original
insertion loss by 2.3 percent. "Bailin" causes an increase loss of 3.3
percent. These losses can be reduced substantially by removing the
"baeleen".

If it is pronounced "transformer", the insertion gain goes up 3.05
degrees.

F, C or K?

Perhaps we should debate how to pronounce 'pronunciation' (:-))

As she is spelt - which is certainty NOT the way most of the BBC's
employees - including members of its Pronunciation Department - do!!!!
--
Ian