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Steve I thank you for your response and I am beginning to see and have
confidence in what I am saying alss I believe I over explained things
which
really created problems.

Art, [short version: We're going to get nowhere unless we have a common
terminology. The words you use clearly do not mean the same thing to you as
what most others have come to accept.]

Could you, perhaps, tell me in simple terms, just what it is you hope to
accomplish or prove, or achieve with all this? What is your goal? When it
is built and working per your ideas, what is this stack of "open loops"
going to do, or not do [that other antennas don't do, or do] ???


Long version...
I don't think you over explain, I believe you are using the terminology
in unconventional ways and therefore I am unable to understand what the
underlying concept is to which you refer. You use "Phase change" in a way
that I can not understand.

I am unable to get past what you are trying to say he

In a straight member the current under goes a phase change at all times
thus
from one direction the current varies according to I Cos Phi i.e.

[ If I understand what you refer to ] The proper way to describe this is
to say that the "current" goes through an "amplitude" or "magnitude" change
(a result of the AC sine wave nature of the generator) That is to say-as we
know, the current builds up to a maximum, then falls to zero rapidly, then
reversing direction and building to that same magnitude in the opposite
direction whereupon it falls back to zero and repeats ad nausium. This, of
course, is a standard sine wave of current we also call AC or RF.
The "phase", on the other hand, is a term we use to refer to the _whole
cycle_ -- all parts of the cyclic variation we call AC or a sine wave. This
_whole thing_ can be compared to another sine wave of the same frequency and
we can then talk about the relative phase of one to the other. These two
can also be the reative phase of currents in differnt parts of a circuit or
different parts of an antenna.

The problem is that if there truly is a "phase change" in a sine wave,
there must also be a frequency change for a short time until the phase stops
changing and arrives at the new value of phase (relative to whatever we
choose to be the reference.

A synonym for phase is "time". The time at which a given part of a wave
form occurs detrermines its phase. Teo waves are in phase when they are in
"time step" or occur at the same time. When they occur at different times,
then they are at different phases.


accellerating in value and decellerating in value.

They are accelerated at various rates, thus change in velocity (which we
equate to current)

It "increases" and "decreases" in value. The change in magnitude is
accompanied by the requisite accelerations of the electrons, this is true.
[note that "deceleration" is simply another way of stating the
mathematically accurate negative acceleration]


Now comes the choker...

When the same electric current follows a coiled load there is no phase
change

Here's where I choke! I can not, for the life of me, figure out what
you mean by "no phase change".
In commonly accepted terminology this means that the frequency of the
signal is constant, and it is as far as I am concerned in the in-coiled,
straight wire version as well!.
However, in light of your previous use, which appears to mean that the
current is varying, this makes no sense, since the current sinewave is still
present.

It doesn't make any sense to continue to discuss trying to remove "rising
inductance and capacitance ", your "1/2 corregated copper transmission
lines", Why you feel the need to NOT have a closed loop, what an "open loop
is", or the rest without a common language which allows you to transfer the
concepts you which to present.
Could you, perhaps, tell me in simple terms, just what it is you hope to
accomplish or prove, or achieve with all this? What is your goal?

Sorry Art.