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rickman · November 1st 15, 07:13 AM posted to rec.radio.amateur.antenna

On 10/31/2015 7:39 PM, wrote:
rickman wrote:
On 10/31/2015 6:01 AM, Jeff wrote:

Glass is used as a dielectric in high quality low loss RF capacitors so
I suspect that it would be usable in a home-made one.

Doesn't necessarily follow. The loss tangent of glass is low to very
low so it won't heat up much in use. But the important part is the
change in Er with temperature as I explain. In fixed value caps changes
in capacitance of a few percent are usually not a problem. But in this
application tuning of the circuit may be very critical and require a
much higher degree of stability.

I am also looking at alumina ceramics. The properties vary with
composition, but there are composites with very high stability numbers.
They usually are in a materials data sheet rather than in a product
offered for sale. Seems a lot of ceramics are custom items.

I think the change of Er with temperature is the least of your worries
when talking about a tuning capacitor for a magnetic loop. The change of
capacitance due to mechanical changes in the plates is likely to be at
least an order of magnitude greater than the dielectric changes.

I wonder about that. I know metals have a high tempco of expansion and
this will make changes in the capacitance. I haven't analyzed it to see
how significant that would be. So let me give it a try.

Expansion of the air gapped metal capacitor will have two opposing
effects. Enlargement of the plate surface area will increase the area
and so increase capacitance by the square of the tempco of the metal.
Enlargement of the spacing will decrease capacitance directly by the
tempco of the metal assuming the spacers are the same material. The net
effect will be to increase the capacitance in direct proportion to the
tempco of the metal.

Using a dielectric would reduce the effect of the plate spacing on
capacitance to a very small value since most of the capacitance will be
due to the material and much less to any air gap remaining. So it would
return the overall effect on the capacitance to the square of the
expansion tempco. Does that sound right?

In other words, it would be good if the dielectric had an effect that
was opposite to the effect of the metal tempco. I'll meed to consider
that as I search for materials.

An aluminum plate 6 inches square at 75 F heated to 200 F changes
dimensions by 0.0092 inches.

For plate glass the change is 0.0031 inches.

I will leave it to you to calculate how much that will change capacitance.

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/li...on-d_1379.html

Did you have a point?

--

Rick

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