Amateur radio is primarily a technical pursuit with operating, if done at
all, coming
in second-to-last.

Those who operate only and who do not understand anything about the
internals
of their rigs, and even get someone else to mend them should they go wrong
are indistinguishable from CBers.

Those who really were dedicatd to the pursuit of amateur radio exerted
themselves
to pass the 12WPM Morse Test even if they had no interest in Morse.

Amateur radio is a pursuit for grown ups and not for children, except when a
child
has expressed interest, but without being pressured to up the political
reputation of its parent,
then they can be encouraged.

The three-tier-farce of the RSCB is just that, a farce, because anybody with
the right mental
attitude and interest would by their very interest teach themselves to the
level of the RAE.

Therefore, any grown man taking out an M3 or M6 licence is a loser and a
failure

In the current PC climate, those who go out of their way to encourage
children to join in
should cause eyebrows to be raised.

Those who cannot contribute to discussion here without the use of nasty
spiteful
personal remarks are Childish Broadcasting (CB) losers, and prove themselves
to
be losers and failures with every post that they exude.

The truth of what I say above will now be proven in the subsequent thread by
those
very losers and failures.

Antennae, propagation and launching into propagation from short antennae
are worthy
subjects that do not need the sneering of losers anf failures.

"gareth" wrote:
Amateur radio is primarily a technical pursuit with operating, if done at
all, coming
in second-to-last.

Those who operate only and who do not understand anything about the
internals
of their rigs, and even get someone else to mend them should they go wrong
are indistinguishable from CBers.

Those who really were dedicatd to the pursuit of amateur radio exerted
themselves
to pass the 12WPM Morse Test even if they had no interest in Morse.

Amateur radio is a pursuit for grown ups and not for children, except when a
child
has expressed interest, but without being pressured to up the political
reputation of its parent,
then they can be encouraged.

The three-tier-farce of the RSCB is just that, a farce, because anybody with
the right mental
attitude and interest would by their very interest teach themselves to the
level of the RAE.

Therefore, any grown man taking out an M3 or M6 licence is a loser and a
failure

In the current PC climate, those who go out of their way to encourage
children to join in
should cause eyebrows to be raised.

Those who cannot contribute to discussion here without the use of nasty
spiteful
personal remarks are Childish Broadcasting (CB) losers, and prove themselves
to
be losers and failures with every post that they exude.

The truth of what I say above will now be proven in the subsequent thread by
those
very losers and failures.

Antennae, propagation and launching into propagation from short antennae
are worthy
subjects that do not need the sneering of losers anf failures.

Well done, OM. Only two spelling mistakes in that post! That must be a new
record for you?

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Well done, OM. Only two spelling mistakes in that post! That must be a new
record for you?

Must have been before he started on the meths.

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(")_(")

In rec.radio.amateur.antenna gareth wrote:
Amateur radio is primarily a technical pursuit with operating, if done at
all, coming
in second-to-last.

If one doesn't operate, one doesn't need a license.

Those who operate only and who do not understand anything about the
internals
of their rigs, and even get someone else to mend them should they go wrong
are indistinguishable from CBers.

Or military radio operators.

Those who really were dedicatd to the pursuit of amateur radio exerted
themselves
to pass the 12WPM Morse Test even if they had no interest in Morse.

So since the elimination of code tests no one is dedicated.

Amateur radio is a pursuit for grown ups and not for children, except when a
child
has expressed interest, but without being pressured to up the political
reputation of its parent,
then they can be encouraged.

Why?

You said "Amateur radio is primarily a technical pursuit" and is someone,
no matter their age, show the technical aptitude, why shouldn't they
has an amateur license?


The three-tier-farce of the RSCB is just that, a farce, because anybody with
the right mental
attitude and interest would by their very interest teach themselves to the
level of the RAE.

As the RSCB (whatever that is) is irrelevant outside the UK, no comment.

Therefore, any grown man taking out an M3 or M6 licence is a loser and a
failure

How about a grown woman?

In the current PC climate, those who go out of their way to encourage
children to join in
should cause eyebrows to be raised.

Especially when the encouragement includes ass patting.

Those who cannot contribute to discussion here without the use of nasty
spiteful
personal remarks are Childish Broadcasting (CB) losers, and prove themselves
to
be losers and failures with every post that they exude.

And who have been hauled into court over their actions.

The truth of what I say above will now be proven in the subsequent thread by
those
very losers and failures.

You are going to respond to yourself again?

Antennae, propagation and launching into propagation from short antennae
are worthy
subjects that do not need the sneering of losers anf failures.

Propagation is due to conditions of the Earth's atmosphere and the
presence of the Earth itself.

Antennas are conductive structures that convert AC current flow into
electromagnetic radiation.

There is much more to antenna theory than "short antennae" (sic).



--
Jim Pennino

On Wed, 13 Jan 2016, wrote:

In rec.radio.amateur.antenna gareth wrote:
Amateur radio is primarily a technical pursuit with operating, if done at
all, coming
in second-to-last.

If one doesn't operate, one doesn't need a license.

Then you'll never be able to test those exotic transmitters you build.

My ham license gives me something that no other radio service allows, the
ability to build the transmitting equipment, and try new things. There
is no more flexible a radio service than ham radio. Everyone else is
channelized, limited to some specific use in some specific band, with
limitations on mode and maybe even operating time. Amateur radio allows
multiple modes (and trying new modes), just about anywhere in a given
band, with bands over the full spectrum (yes, even now back below the AM
braodcast band), using just about any kind of antenna and often power not
allowed some radio services.

Michael

In rec.radio.amateur.antenna Michael Black wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jan 2016, wrote:

In rec.radio.amateur.antenna gareth wrote:
Amateur radio is primarily a technical pursuit with operating, if done at
all, coming
in second-to-last.

If one doesn't operate, one doesn't need a license.

Then you'll never be able to test those exotic transmitters you build.

Sure you can, just not connected to an antenna.

My ham license gives me something that no other radio service allows, the
ability to build the transmitting equipment, and try new things. There
is no more flexible a radio service than ham radio. Everyone else is
channelized, limited to some specific use in some specific band, with
limitations on mode and maybe even operating time. Amateur radio allows
multiple modes (and trying new modes), just about anywhere in a given
band, with bands over the full spectrum (yes, even now back below the AM
braodcast band), using just about any kind of antenna and often power not
allowed some radio services.

Michael

Yep.

It is a little difficult to understand gareth's position that operating
is of little importance.

In the US, one of the purposes of the amateur radio license is "providing
the nation with a pool of trained radio operators and technicians who
can provide essential communications during emergencies."

http://transition.fcc.gov/pshs/services/amateur.html

I can find nothing from the FCC concerning babbling on about "short
antennae" ad nauseam.


--
Jim Pennino

On 13/01/2016 21:42, Michael Black wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jan 2016, wrote:

In rec.radio.amateur.antenna gareth wrote:
Amateur radio is primarily a technical pursuit with operating, if
done at
all, coming
in second-to-last.

If one doesn't operate, one doesn't need a license.

Then you'll never be able to test those exotic transmitters you build.

My ham license gives me something that no other radio service allows,
the ability to build the transmitting equipment, and try new things.
There is no more flexible a radio service than ham radio. Everyone else
is channelized, limited to some specific use in some specific band, with
limitations on mode and maybe even operating time. Amateur radio allows
multiple modes (and trying new modes), just about anywhere in a given
band, with bands over the full spectrum (yes, even now back below the AM
braodcast band), using just about any kind of antenna and often power
not allowed some radio services.

Michael
being an 11m pirate gave you some scope as well ...

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"Michael Black" wrote in message
news:alpine.LNX.2.02.1601131637580.18589@darkstar. example.org...
On Wed, 13 Jan 2016, wrote:

In rec.radio.amateur.antenna gareth wrote:
Amateur radio is primarily a technical pursuit with operating, if done
at
all, coming
in second-to-last.

If one doesn't operate, one doesn't need a license.

Then you'll never be able to test those exotic transmitters you build.

My ham license gives me something that no other radio service allows, the
ability to build the transmitting equipment, and try new things. There is
no more flexible a radio service than ham radio. Everyone else is
channelized, limited to some specific use in some specific band, with
limitations on mode and maybe even operating time. Amateur radio allows
multiple modes (and trying new modes), just about anywhere in a given
band, with bands over the full spectrum (yes, even now back below the AM
braodcast band), using just about any kind of antenna and often power not
allowed some radio services.


+1

On Wednesday, January 13, 2016 at 6:06:49 AM UTC-6, gareth wrote:

Antennae, propagation and launching into propagation from short antennae
are worthy
subjects that do not need the sneering of losers anf failures.

While approaching the mix master, the controller pressed the lever.
This caused mayhem to spew forth in a disorderly non military manner.
When consulted about this abuse, the controller cried mightily that
all within his range should discover a severe case of resistance.
Otherwise they are not Real® sailors, but merely Sears sailors who
obviously have no business even being in a boat, much less controlling
one.

"gareth" wrote in message
...

Those who cannot contribute to discussion here without the use of nasty
spiteful
personal remarks are Childish Broadcasting (CB) losers, and prove
themselves to
be losers and failures with every post that they exude.
The truth of what I say above will now be proven in the subsequent thread
by those
very losers and failures.

Proven words in both NGs, especially from those in the Canary Islands and in
their second childhood in Yankland?