The three normally intelligent people posting on this thread weren't
able to find this, and it's a question I'm frequently asked. Is there
any way I can index it so people can find it more easily? What did you
look under in the index before posting this question, and where did the
two people responding look? Apparently people don't make the association
between "antenna description" and "wires table".

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

Normally, print option should be included/listed under FILE or in this case
under WIRES. It would also help to have SAVE AS in ascii file or whatever.

Richard outlines the idea of organizing the options well.

I actually got around it by using MultiNEC, into which one can import EZNEC
data and then use it as a spreadsheet with print selection of the sheet. K7GCO
asked me how to print wire list and that created the question.

Yuri, K3BU.us

Thanks for the responses. The suggestions were constructive, and they
confirmed my observation that some people will do just about anything,
including newsgroup posting, to avoid looking in the manual.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

Thanks for the responses. The suggestions were constructive, and they
confirmed my observation that some people will do just about anything,
including newsgroup posting, to avoid looking in the manual.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL


It is more like what is accepted convention in organizing the programs and
menus. Menus can be intuitive and as used elsewhere, or in the form of mystery
chase. Normally, programs allow to print the contents of the window just by
going to FILE and PRINT and active window is printed. No need to aks questions
on the NG :-) You know how it is with manuals - they are for dummies, we are
smart. :-)

Yuri, K3BU.us

Roy Lewallen wrote in message
...
Thanks for the responses. The suggestions were constructive, and they
confirmed my observation that some people will do just about anything,
including newsgroup posting, to avoid looking in the manual.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

Hi Roy,

Not meaning to insult, but judging from the
past, let me suggest that constructive
criticism seems to end up in your waste
basket. Here, it's obvious you'd rather
demean confused users, rather than admit
to a flaw in your program's conception.

One would assume you would have learned
something in regards to "intuitive" or "user
friendly" from the many negative comments
you've received in regards to the horribly
clunky interface of your DOS version.

Apparently, you either haven't the ability to
conceptualize an intuitive interface or you're
just too arrogant to listen to your customer's
suggestions... which is it?

Chuck, WA7RAI

On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 17:22:16 -0700, "Chuck"
wrote:

|
|Roy Lewallen wrote in message
...
| Thanks for the responses. The suggestions were constructive, and they
| confirmed my observation that some people will do just about anything,
| including newsgroup posting, to avoid looking in the manual.
|
| Roy Lewallen, W7EL
|
|Hi Roy,
|
|Not meaning to insult, but judging from the
|past, let me suggest that constructive
|criticism seems to end up in your waste
|basket. Here, it's obvious you'd rather
|demean confused users, rather than admit
|to a flaw in your program's conception.
|
|One would assume you would have learned
|something in regards to "intuitive" or "user
|friendly" from the many negative comments
|you've received in regards to the horribly
|clunky interface of your DOS version.
|
|Apparently, you either haven't the ability to
|conceptualize an intuitive interface or you're
|just too arrogant to listen to your customer's
|suggestions... which is it?

You must be talking about another Roy.

I have on several occasions contacted Roy and pointed out minor bugs
and every time I have been thanked for reporting the problem. Usually
a patch was forthcoming to me via email within a day if not sooner. A
public patch could be found on his web site shortly after.

I have to contrast this to a popular logging program that I use where
I have had similar difficulties and posted my comments on their
reflector. Once, the program developer had the nerve to call me on my
unlisted number and ask me to refrain from making such comments
because I was costing them sales. During that conversation I used Roy
as an example of how a software company *should* support its
customers.

They also have the MO of "saving up" bug fixes and selling me an
annual "improved" program, something that I haven't had to do with
EZNEC.

Wes Stewart wrote in message
...
On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 17:22:16 -0700, "Chuck"
wrote:

|
|Roy Lewallen wrote in message
...
| Thanks for the responses. The suggestions were constructive, and they
| confirmed my observation that some people will do just about anything,
| including newsgroup posting, to avoid looking in the manual.
|
| Roy Lewallen, W7EL
|
|Hi Roy,
|
|Not meaning to insult, but judging from the
|past, let me suggest that constructive
|criticism seems to end up in your waste
|basket. Here, it's obvious you'd rather
|demean confused users, rather than admit
|to a flaw in your program's conception.
|
|One would assume you would have learned
|something in regards to "intuitive" or "user
|friendly" from the many negative comments
|you've received in regards to the horribly
|clunky interface of your DOS version.
|
|Apparently, you either haven't the ability to
|conceptualize an intuitive interface or you're
|just too arrogant to listen to your customer's
|suggestions... which is it?

You must be talking about another Roy.

I have on several occasions contacted Roy and pointed out minor bugs
and every time I have been thanked for reporting the problem. Usually
a patch was forthcoming to me via email within a day if not sooner. A
public patch could be found on his web site shortly after.

I have to contrast this to a popular logging program that I use where
I have had similar difficulties and posted my comments on their
reflector. Once, the program developer had the nerve to call me on my
unlisted number and ask me to refrain from making such comments
because I was costing them sales. During that conversation I used Roy
as an example of how a software company *should* support its
customers.

They also have the MO of "saving up" bug fixes and selling me an
annual "improved" program, something that I haven't had to do with
EZNEC.


Hi Wes,

There is no doubt, Roy is an excellent
engineer, but as an interface programmer,
IMO, the opposite is true. Apparently, my
experience has not been the same as
yours, but in any case, there is no excuse
for inconsistency... or demeaning those
who request help on NGs as a result.

Chuck, WA7RAI

En Roy Lewallen va escriure en Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:29:06 -0700:

Thanks for the responses. The suggestions were constructive, and they
confirmed my observation that some people will do just about anything,
including newsgroup posting, to avoid looking in the manual.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL


Hi Roy,

It is true that your program's user interface is not the best in
the world, but... Who cares? I think the free version of EZNEC
has made a lot for the ham community, much more than some of the
people criticizing you.

Best regards,

--
Toni

"Auto" = prefijo griego que significa "no funciona"

Toni wrote in message
...
En Roy Lewallen va escriure en Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:29:06 -0700:

Thanks for the responses. The suggestions were constructive, and they
confirmed my observation that some people will do just about anything,
including newsgroup posting, to avoid looking in the manual.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL


Hi Roy,

It is true that your program's user interface is not the best in
the world, but... Who cares? I think the free version of EZNEC
has made a lot for the ham community, much more than some of the
people criticizing you.

Best regards,

--
Toni

"Auto" = prefijo griego que significa "no funciona"

Hi Tony,

There have been over 2 million copies of
my freeware 'Quickyagi' downloaded, with
zero (0) complaints from users. Free, isn't
everything, y'know...

WA7RAI

En Chuck va escriure en Mon, 27 Sep 2004 14:41:59 -0700:

There have been over 2 million copies of
my freeware 'Quickyagi' downloaded, with
zero (0) complaints from users. Free, isn't
everything, y'know...

Hi Chuck,

I didn't know that program, but I'll Google for it and have a
look. In any case, from it's name, I infer that it is a Yagui
design/optimize program that may be very good, but only for
advanced amateurs.

What I was referring to, and this is what makes EZNEC special, is
the posibility of "try and see". You read about, for ex., delta
match and go to EZNEC and try it. You can experiment what happens
if the match is too long or too short or... whatever. This is
specially good to check that your design is not too critical. If
you see that small differences in element construction will cause
big degradation you can forget building it with real tools and
materials.

As for the price, effectively, free isn't everything but it helps
with programs whose utility is not clear until you have used them
for long enough. I know this is the shareware concept but I
reckon it does not work for business. Roy's intermediate approach
seems good to me: reduced but sufficient functionality for the
masses and full for whoever pays it.

73's
--
Toni

"Auto" = prefijo griego que significa "no funciona"

Roy Lewallen wrote:
Thanks for the responses. The suggestions were constructive, and they
confirmed my observation that some people will do just about anything,
including newsgroup posting, to avoid looking in the manual.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

As someone who has done a large amount of software design and
implementation with highly varied target audiences, I would suggest that
making the design such that minimal need for reference to the manual
because of multiple paths to user desired results is something to be
looked at seriously. Sorry about the awkward verbage, I'm not sure how
to express it elegantly.

tom
K0TAR