Richard Clark wrote:

Cecil Moore wrote:
100W XMTR---50 ohm---+---one second long 291.5 ohm---50 ohm load

And yet more violations of Initial Condition.

The question was: Where are those 300 joules of EM RF energy
that have been previously sourced by the XMTR but not yet dissipated
in the load?

What are you afraid of that would be contained in your straight
answer to that simple question? Doesn't it embarrass you to
present all sorts of logical diversions instead of answering?
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

Ian White, G3SEK wrote:

Cecil Moore wrote:
The RF technician I worked with at Intel was directed by his manager to
report all powers in dB referenced to the signal generator output ...

Since his manager was Cecil, there may be a good case for worker's comp.

Actually, his manager was one Mr. Smith, a ham with a Canadian call.
Is it unusual for dB figures to be referenced to the signal generator
output?
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 08:45:15 -0600, Cecil Moore
wrote:
Signal Generator Output Power is measured and all
dB measurements are referenced to that power.
Yet another violation of Initial Conditions. Signal Generator outputs
are calibrated into a 50 Ohm Load. Another violation of Initial
Conditions is that Signal Generators do not source 100W.

Roy Lewallen wrote:
I strongly suggest forgetting completely about "forward" and "reverse"
power. If you must deal with directional waves, look at forward and
reverse voltage and current waves.

Say Roy, exactly how many of those EM voltage and current waves
have you encountered that didn't possess any energy? I always
thought the power in an EM wave was defined as ExH. :-)
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 08:32:27 -0600, Cecil Moore
wrote:
directed by his manager to report all powers in dB referenced to the
signal generator output which, in the above example, was 100 watts
Betcha can't name the model number or maker.

On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:32:29 -0600, Cecil Moore
wrote:
definition of an Initial Condition violation:
The question was
Different this time than last (recurse here)

On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:23:14 -0600, Cecil Moore
wrote:
I know you consider it unfair to your position
Sitting down? Or are you talking about chiropodistry?

Richard Clark wrote:

On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 08:45:15 -0600, Cecil Moore
wrote:

Signal Generator Output Power is measured and all
dB measurements are referenced to that power.

Yet another violation of Initial Conditions. Signal Generator outputs
are calibrated into a 50 Ohm Load.

In a signal generator equipped with a circulator/load, the signal
generator indeed does always see close to a 50 ohm load so, no
problem.

Another violation of Initial
Conditions is that Signal Generators do not source 100W.

Hams understand 100W and since this was a mental exercise,
I used 100W. If I had used 10 dBm, I would have lost most
of the readers.

Richard, I don't recall an "Initial Conditions List". Perhaps
you could point me to the posting that listed them. Who is the
"Initial Conditions" God, anyway?
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

Richard Clark wrote:

Cecil Moore wrote:
directed by his manager to report all powers in dB referenced to the
signal generator output which, in the above example, was 100 watts

Betcha can't name the model number or maker.

Hint: If it's not obvious, the signal generator used at Intel
in Chandler, AZ during the 1990's and the signal generator used
in my purely mental exercise posted to r.r.a.a in 2004 are NOT
the same device. Sheeeezzzzzz ...
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:51:48 -0600, Cecil Moore
wrote:

|Ian White, G3SEK wrote:
|
| Cecil Moore wrote:
| The RF technician I worked with at Intel was directed by his manager to
| report all powers in dB referenced to the signal generator output ...
|
| Since his manager was Cecil, there may be a good case for worker's comp.
|
|Actually, his manager was one Mr. Smith, a ham with a Canadian call.
|Is it unusual for dB figures to be referenced to the signal generator
|output?

Highly.

All of the S-parameters I've ever measured were referenced to the ends
of the cables used to connect the DUT to the test equipment.

Absent concerns about SNR, I didn't give a rat's behind about what the
signal generator power was.