On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 22:25:04 -0400, "J. McLaughlin"
wrote:

Dear Neighbor Roger:
It has been one minute of perfect copy (out of five) since at least
the early 50s. That was the only receiving standard. One also had to
demonstrate that one could send CW - you were allowed to bring your own
key.

Well, my memory ain't what it used to be and that was a long time
back, but I'll swear it was a total of 2 minutes when I took the
Novice, General, and Extra...but I do remember being able to bring
your own key down to Detroit.

Sending may sound simple, but trying to do so when really nervous was
a true challenge. LOL I remember one guy at out session who failed
on the transmitt...although it "seems like" they let him redo the
sending test. which wasn't typical. It seems like I remember a couple
of dropped keys too.

I do remember that "for me" the Advanced was the easiest and took
about 10 minutes. The Extra took about 15 to 20 minutes. BUT I worked
in the field and knew the stuff forward and backwards by then. I
hasten to add that it didn't cover a lot of the stuff now covered. It
had about two questions on any phase of Amateur Radio...Now I'd think
it would be impossible to get one question on every phase.

73

Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
www.rogerhalstead.com
N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)


73 Mac N8TT

Dear Neighbor: I too took all of the tests, including commercial, at
FCC Detroit. I too remember one fellow who failed the sending test. I
also remember at least one question on transistors where none of the
provided "answers" were correct! One just had to get into the mind of
the person who wrote the exam and guess what that person was thinking.

I sure remember the pass requirement being 20 times 5 characters (100)
correct in a row (with punctuation and numbers counting as two
characters). The paper you wrote down the code on was collected
immediately after the code stopped.

Perhaps others have a different recollection.
73 Mac N8TT

--
J. Mc Laughlin - Michigan USA
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"Roger Halstead" wrote in message
news
On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 22:25:04 -0400, "J. McLaughlin"
wrote:

Dear Neighbor Roger:
It has been one minute of perfect copy (out of five) since at
least
the early 50s. That was the only receiving standard. One also had
to
demonstrate that one could send CW - you were allowed to bring your
own
key.

Well, my memory ain't what it used to be and that was a long time
back, but I'll swear it was a total of 2 minutes when I took the
Novice, General, and Extra...but I do remember being able to bring
your own key down to Detroit.

Sending may sound simple, but trying to do so when really nervous was
a true challenge. LOL I remember one guy at out session who failed
on the transmitt...although it "seems like" they let him redo the
sending test. which wasn't typical. It seems like I remember a couple
of dropped keys too.

I do remember that "for me" the Advanced was the easiest and took
about 10 minutes. The Extra took about 15 to 20 minutes. BUT I worked
in the field and knew the stuff forward and backwards by then. I
hasten to add that it didn't cover a lot of the stuff now covered. It
had about two questions on any phase of Amateur Radio...Now I'd think
it would be impossible to get one question on every phase.

73

Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
www.rogerhalstead.com
N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)

YES!!
each letter , prosign , and number is possible . including puncuation

"G. Doughty" wrote in message
...
Is this test open game? Basically, are all characters, q-codes, and
prosigns
fair game on this test. I have studied relentlessly and know a majority
of
them and can receive at 10wpm but everytime I look at a different book or
website I find more stuff.

Thanks for the input

73
G. Doughty
KI4BBL

Then toss it all out and use phone for the rest of your Ham days
Lushy
"dwayne" wrote in message
ink.net...
YES!!
each letter , prosign , and number is possible . including puncuation

"G. Doughty" wrote in message
...
Is this test open game? Basically, are all characters, q-codes, and
prosigns
fair game on this test. I have studied relentlessly and know a majority
of
them and can receive at 10wpm but everytime I look at a different book
or
website I find more stuff.

Thanks for the input

73
G. Doughty
KI4BBL

Here is the catch . . . I don't want to use phone. I was very apprehensive at
first about cw but now that I have been doing it, I can't wait to use it. I
didn't study in college to not use it and I am not wasting my time now studying
for element one. I just can't wait for my daughter to be old enough to use cw.
LOL

Thanks for all the help folks, I am much more comfortable now!!
73
G. Doughty
KI4BBL

"dwayne" wrote in message
ink.net...
YES!!
each letter , prosign , and number is possible . including puncuation


Incorrect. There are many prosigns, such as AS, that will NOT be on the
test. There are many of the punctuation marks, such as apostrophe, quotes,
and parenthesis, that will not be on the test.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


"G. Doughty" wrote in message
...
Is this test open game? Basically, are all characters, q-codes, and
prosigns
fair game on this test. I have studied relentlessly and know a majority
of
them and can receive at 10wpm but everytime I look at a different book
or
website I find more stuff.

Thanks for the input

73
G. Doughty
KI4BBL

Why not call your VE and ask what is sent on the test.
Here in San Diego, a pre-test info sheet it available -- see URL:
http://ac6v.com/morseaids.htm#CWPASS

A snip from the San Diego pre-test info sheet
-------------------------------------
"You will want to know in what manner to study, note that in the example,
code characters are sent at 13 wpm, with the spacing adjusted for overall 5
wpm speed – study accordingly is recommended. The VEC’s in your particular
area can be found at URL: http://www.arrl.org/arrlvec/veclist.html
You will note that the sample QSO contains all of the alphabet letters,
numbers 1 thru 0, punctuation such as the period, comma, question mark,
slant bar, and the prosigns BT, AR, and SK. All of these are required by the
FCC to demonstrate your knowledge of the Morse Code."

--------------------------------------------

End Snip

Note callsigns with "de" is in the sample message.

I don't think Q-Signals are sent in the test. At least the sample does not
have any.

It may vary in your area, so call your VEC
http://www.arrl.org/arrlvec/veclist.html

Good Luck
73 From the Spurious Noise ';';;';x":.,";"'

--------------------------------------------------

"G. Doughty" wrote in message
...
Is this test open game? Basically, are all characters, q-codes, and
prosigns
fair game on this test. I have studied relentlessly and know a majority
of
them and can receive at 10wpm but everytime I look at a different book or
website I find more stuff.

Thanks for the input

73
G. Doughty
KI4BBL

"Spurious Noise" wrote in message
news:7XAfb.50587$Ms2.14819@fed1read03...
Why not call your VE and ask what is sent on the test.
Here in San Diego, a pre-test info sheet it available -- see URL:
http://ac6v.com/morseaids.htm#CWPASS

A snip from the San Diego pre-test info sheet
-------------------------------------
"You will want to know in what manner to study, note that in the example,
code characters are sent at 13 wpm, with the spacing adjusted for overall
5
wpm speed - study accordingly is recommended. The VEC's in your particular
area can be found at URL: http://www.arrl.org/arrlvec/veclist.html
You will note that the sample QSO contains all of the alphabet letters,
numbers 1 thru 0, punctuation such as the period, comma, question mark,
slant bar, and the prosigns BT, AR, and SK. All of these are required by
the
FCC to demonstrate your knowledge of the Morse Code."

--------------------------------------------

End Snip

Note callsigns with "de" is in the sample message.

I don't think Q-Signals are sent in the test. At least the sample does not
have any.

It may vary in your area, so call your VEC
http://www.arrl.org/arrlvec/veclist.html

Good Luck
73 From the Spurious Noise ';';;';x":.,";"'

From what I remember (and admittedly, it's been awhile), they may include
QTH in the simulated transmission since it is supposed to be representative
of an actual QSO but the question on the written might be phrased "What is
the location?" It's an easy way to include Q. However they will not ask
"What does QTH mean?"

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Spurious Noise" wrote in message
news:7XAfb.50587$Ms2.14819@fed1read03...
Why not call your VE and ask what is sent on the test.
Here in San Diego, a pre-test info sheet it available -- see URL:
http://ac6v.com/morseaids.htm#CWPASS

A snip from the San Diego pre-test info sheet
-------------------------------------
"You will want to know in what manner to study, note that in the example,
code characters are sent at 13 wpm, with the spacing adjusted for overall
5
wpm speed - study accordingly is recommended. The VEC's in your particular
area can be found at URL: http://www.arrl.org/arrlvec/veclist.html
You will note that the sample QSO contains all of the alphabet letters,
numbers 1 thru 0, punctuation such as the period, comma, question mark,
slant bar, and the prosigns BT, AR, and SK. All of these are required by
the
FCC to demonstrate your knowledge of the Morse Code."

--------------------------------------------

End Snip

Note callsigns with "de" is in the sample message.

I don't think Q-Signals are sent in the test. At least the sample does not
have any.

It may vary in your area, so call your VEC
http://www.arrl.org/arrlvec/veclist.html

Good Luck
73 From the Spurious Noise ';';;';x":.,";"'

Also since Q codes are sent as three separate letters with spaces between,
they count as just plain text and each letter is one character. This is
different from prosigns where the two letters are run together with no space
and thus make an extended character and are counted as if they were two
characters.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Ok, well, blew the test! I got a case of the nerves. I didn't know it well
enough. I think that if you really know the code then it can naturally be
copied faster than 5wpm. I need to be at the point where I here the
transmission and it is the letter.

I'll try again soon. Thanks for all the help.


73
G. Doughty
KI4BBL