Is this test open game? Basically, are all characters, q-codes, and prosigns
fair game on this test. I have studied relentlessly and know a majority of
them and can receive at 10wpm but everytime I look at a different book or
website I find more stuff.

Thanks for the input

73
G. Doughty
KI4BBL

On 30 Sep 2003 23:17:41 GMT, ojunk (G. Doughty)
wrote:

Is this test open game? Basically, are all characters, q-codes, and prosigns
fair game on this test. I have studied relentlessly and know a majority of
them and can receive at 10wpm but everytime I look at a different book or
website I find more stuff.

Thanks for the input

73
G. Doughty
KI4BBL

Hi OM,

The answer is found by taking only questions from the question pool.
In your case, the questions would be a CW pool (there are only so many
tapes to do the job, unless it is computerized now - in that regard it
becomes a matter of a QSO content pool). Unless your opportunity for
testing is only occasional, re-testing will motivate and get you
through the process as quickly as any other. After all, there is the
clean copy part (if that hasn't changed) where you may never hear
anything but straight text.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

47 CFR97.503

The alphabet, the numerals, the period, the comma, the fraction bar, the
question mark; and the prosigns: AR, SK and BT.

If you can handle these at 10 wpm you are home free!!!! Go upgrade at
next session.

Deacon Dave, W1MCE
Registered Instructor, ARRL
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G. Doughty wrote:

Is this test open game? Basically, are all characters, q-codes, and prosigns
fair game on this test. I have studied relentlessly and know a majority of
them and can receive at 10wpm but everytime I look at a different book or
website I find more stuff.

Thanks for the input

73
G. Doughty
KI4BBL

G.,
It also helps if you know the TTY characters, Baudot
code, and the 'Star Spangled Banner'... but not much.
'Doc

I took my test back in July and here's my advice to you;

All alpha characters will be in the test. Most if not all numerals will be
in the test. Prosigns are there but are not required to pass the test.
Q-codes are there but, of course, they are already covered with the "all
alpha characters" mentioned previously.

The test itself consisted a simple QSO starting with a series of V's. They
don't count but copy them anyway. It will put you into the right frame of
mind.

VVV VVV KL1J DE K2UGO/4 TKS FR YR CALL VINCE. = UR RST 548 THE WX SUNNY RIG
IS COLLINS KWM380 AT 476 WATTS, QTH IS BIRMINGHAM ALABAMA. NAME ZOLA = ANT
IS MONOBANDER UP 29 FEET. HW COPY? KL1J DE K2UGO + *

You will be asked the following questions (typically)

What is the receiving station call sign?
What is the transmitting station call?
What is the receiving operators name?
What was the signal report?
What is the weather?
What equipment is used by the transmitting station?
What was the transmitting station RF power in watts?
What city is the transmitting station in?
What is the transmitting operators name?
What antenna was used by the transmitting station?
What is the antenna height?

It helps to be familiar with different antenna types and rig manufacturer
names. When you hear RST being sent, pay close attention to the report. When
you hear RIG or RADIO (whatever), pay close attention to what it is and the
power level. Once you hear QTH, pay close attention to where the operator
lives. You will be sent both calls twice - one at the beginning, again at
the end. The slash will be in the QSO and you should know it. Everyone I
talked to said it was part of one of the calls (as above). Sometimes the
calls don't follow conventional formats. Don't worry about it! Don't worry
about punctuation or prosigns.

Try and copy as much as you can. If you have problems answering the
questions, the VE will then look for 25 (?) consecutive characters copied
correctly (numbers count for 2).

Good Luck!

Tom - AC9TS


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"G. Doughty" wrote in message
...
Is this test open game? Basically, are all characters, q-codes, and
prosigns
fair game on this test. I have studied relentlessly and know a majority
of
them and can receive at 10wpm but everytime I look at a different book or
website I find more stuff.

Thanks for the input

73
G. Doughty
KI4BBL

"G. Doughty" wrote in message
...
Is this test open game? Basically, are all characters, q-codes, and
prosigns
fair game on this test. I have studied relentlessly and know a majority
of
them and can receive at 10wpm but everytime I look at a different book or
website I find more stuff.

Thanks for the input

73
G. Doughty
KI4BBL

It is the letters of the alphabet, numerals, period, comma, question mark,
/, and the following prosigns: BT (written as =), K, KN, and AR. The test
is sent in the form of a simulated QSO (conversation or contact) between two
stations. It runs for 5 minutes and you copy as much as you can. Then you
will either need to answer 7 out of 10 questions correctly on the content of
the QSO or have 1 minute of solid copy (i.e. no errors) to pass. At 5wpm,
one minute is 25 characters, however the numerals, punctuation and prosigns
count as if they were two characters due to their length.

The Q-codes are composed of individual letters so there is no problem there.
Even so, probably the only ones that will occur is QTH (location), QSO
(conversation or contact), and QSL (acknowledge receipt of transmission).

As far as Q-codes (and abbreviations) copy exactly what you hear not what
you think they might be sending and you should be all right.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 21:22:46 GMT, "Dee D. Flint"
wrote:


"G. Doughty" wrote in message
...
Is this test open game? Basically, are all characters, q-codes, and
prosigns
fair game on this test. I have studied relentlessly and know a majority
of
them and can receive at 10wpm but everytime I look at a different book or
website I find more stuff.

Thanks for the input

73
G. Doughty
KI4BBL

It is the letters of the alphabet, numerals, period, comma, question mark,
/, and the following prosigns: BT (written as =), K, KN, and AR. The test

BT should be the double dash "- - " At least I've never seen it as
anything else.


is sent in the form of a simulated QSO (conversation or contact) between two
stations. It runs for 5 minutes and you copy as much as you can. Then you
will either need to answer 7 out of 10 questions correctly on the content of
the QSO or have 1 minute of solid copy (i.e. no errors) to pass. At 5wpm,

Did they drop the requirement from two minutes to one minute?

Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
www.rogerhalstead.com
N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)


one minute is 25 characters, however the numerals, punctuation and prosigns
count as if they were two characters due to their length.

The Q-codes are composed of individual letters so there is no problem there.
Even so, probably the only ones that will occur is QTH (location), QSO
(conversation or contact), and QSL (acknowledge receipt of transmission).

As far as Q-codes (and abbreviations) copy exactly what you hear not what
you think they might be sending and you should be all right.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Roger Halstead" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 21:22:46 GMT, "Dee D. Flint"
wrote:


"G. Doughty" wrote in message
...
Is this test open game? Basically, are all characters, q-codes, and
prosigns
fair game on this test. I have studied relentlessly and know a
majority
of
them and can receive at 10wpm but everytime I look at a different book
or
website I find more stuff.

Thanks for the input

73
G. Doughty
KI4BBL

It is the letters of the alphabet, numerals, period, comma, question
mark,
/, and the following prosigns: BT (written as =), K, KN, and AR. The
test

BT should be the double dash "- - " At least I've never seen it as
anything else.


Double dash is also "=". And is the only way I've seen it written in the
books on code such as "Morse Code: The Essential Language". It is also
written "=" on the check sheet that the VEs use to check copy. The sequence
for BT is the same as the sequence for the equals sign. For example if you
wanted to send 1 + 1 = 2, it would be

di-dah-dah-dah-dah di-dah-di-dah-dit di-dah-dah-dah-dah dah-di-di-di-dah
di-di-dah-dah-dah

Note that the prosign AR is the same as the "+" sign.


is sent in the form of a simulated QSO (conversation or contact) between
two
stations. It runs for 5 minutes and you copy as much as you can. Then
you
will either need to answer 7 out of 10 questions correctly on the content
of
the QSO or have 1 minute of solid copy (i.e. no errors) to pass. At
5wpm,

Did they drop the requirement from two minutes to one minute?


It has been one minute solid copy since I got into amateur radio in 1992.
Before that, I couldn't say.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
(VE for ARRL & W5YI)

On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 11:47:29 GMT, "Dee D. Flint"
wrote:


"Roger Halstead" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 21:22:46 GMT, "Dee D. Flint"
wrote:


"G. Doughty" wrote in message
...
Is this test open game? Basically, are all characters, q-codes, and
prosigns
fair game on this test. I have studied relentlessly and know a
majority
of
them and can receive at 10wpm but everytime I look at a different book
or
website I find more stuff.

Thanks for the input

73
G. Doughty
KI4BBL

It is the letters of the alphabet, numerals, period, comma, question
mark,
/, and the following prosigns: BT (written as =), K, KN, and AR. The
test

BT should be the double dash "- - " At least I've never seen it as
anything else.


Double dash is also "=". And is the only way I've seen it written in the
books on code such as "Morse Code: The Essential Language". It is also
written "=" on the check sheet that the VEs use to check copy. The sequence
for BT is the same as the sequence for the equals sign. For example if you
wanted to send 1 + 1 = 2, it would be

di-dah-dah-dah-dah di-dah-di-dah-dit di-dah-dah-dah-dah dah-di-di-di-dah
di-di-dah-dah-dah

Note that the prosign AR is the same as the "+" sign.

I've never seen either written that way, but I learned the code in
1961:-)) I use it, but haven't looked at a book on it since.

We never bothered to write out KN, or AR as they had a significance to
the transmission. If you heard KN you did not break in. As with SK
it means this is the last transmission and we didn't write that out
either. Non of those were on the test, but again that was in 61. The
only prosigns were the comma, period, slash bar, and double dash which
was nothing more than adding space. I didn't get any more than that
on the extra and I took that at the FCC Detroit office. Actually I
don't think there was a double dash on the extra.

Times sure change....



is sent in the form of a simulated QSO (conversation or contact) between
two
stations. It runs for 5 minutes and you copy as much as you can. Then
you
will either need to answer 7 out of 10 questions correctly on the content
of
the QSO or have 1 minute of solid copy (i.e. no errors) to pass. At
5wpm,

Did they drop the requirement from two minutes to one minute?


It has been one minute solid copy since I got into amateur radio in 1992.
Before that, I couldn't say.

It was 2 minutes solid when I took the Novice, General, and Extra.
(61, 62, and 73??.. I think it was 73 or at least there abouts.)

At least we didn't have essay questions:-)) which I believe they
phased out in the 50s.
And...I haven't seen any math that couldn't be worked out in the
applicant's head (if they know the material and "rules of thumb"). db
being the easiest of all which a lot of students find difficult.

Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
www.rogerhalstead.com
N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
(VE for ARRL & W5YI)

Dear Neighbor Roger:
It has been one minute of perfect copy (out of five) since at least
the early 50s. That was the only receiving standard. One also had to
demonstrate that one could send CW - you were allowed to bring your own
key.
73 Mac N8TT
--
J. Mc Laughlin - Michigan USA
Home:

"Roger Halstead" wrote in message
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Did they drop the requirement from two minutes to one minute?

Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
www.rogerhalstead.com
N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)