"Tom Donaly" wrote

Jack Painter wrote:

Hello Art,

I've been to London, and I never heard lunatics advocating the violent
destruction of all things related to the "West" as we know it. But then
I
stayed out of Mosques, too. The reference to the city gates was
anecdotal
only. The 40% was a figure given to me by a London couple I met last
week,
when I quoted 30% muslim population living in London, apparently an old
figure. This particular British couple I met happen to approve of both
President George Bush and our mutual (countries) efforts to eradicate
radical muslim actors. They also have a soldier-son in Kuwait so perhaps
they are privy to information we are not.

We have not declared war on the nation of islam, but we should, because
they
have long ago declared war on the west and all of our tenets of free
religion, free economies and forms of self-government.

Wise up and stop defending that which is focused on your own
destruction. It
has nothing to do with free speech. It has everything to do with
survival. I
don't mince words, and genocide is exactly what it will take to survive
the
onslaught of islam. Education may prevent it from reaching the level of
insanity it presently enjoys. It enjoys this status largely due to the
tolerance of fools who think their elected legislators represent them.
Perhaps Reg remembers when Chamberlain lied to his countrymen, waiving
the
"peace is at hand" (paraphrased, Art) toilet paper that Nazi Germany
gave
him. Saying that Islam is a "peaceful religion" is the same rubbish.

Regards,
Jack

" wrote


Jack, who are the lunatics? To have faith in your religeon or beliefs is

not

insane,
We have christians who have faith in religeon and beliefs. In war many

have

given up their lives
to save others and we have in fact declared war against a religeon.,
Regarding Londoners having their own form of sanity, go to Hyde Park

corner

on a sunday
and hear the free speech that is the right of all even if you may
disagree
with it..
Regarding the gates of London of which there are eight which surround
one
square mile
if you say that 40,000 dwell inside those gates then many must be

squatters

inside the palace walls.
Reg is speaking as a European where the main threat of war in the world
is
seen to come from the Middle East
with the help of the U.S. Why else would we deliver 50 of our most
sophisticated deep concrete bunker
smart bombs? Surely not for destruction of tents and shacks but more
probably to penetrate heavily concrete
nuclear energy stations like their own. I believe Reg is sincere and

correct

in asking the USA from the other side of the pond regarding what we do
in
the Middle East. WHY?
As far as banning guns, I do believe they ban hand grenades and a

plethoria

of other weapons that can only
be used to kill people. It is a democratic country and it is the peoples
will, why are you concerned about it?.
If there are many close by to you who have the same beliefs as you

regarding

genocide you may have to coinsider
whether you want to kill or be considered to be one endangered by the
killing. Your religion may well be different
to your immediate population
Regards
Art

"Jack Painter" wrote in message
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"Reg Edwards" wrote


These days we have other forms of suicide. There are people who are

living

such enforced miserable lives and in such oppressed conditions they
prefer
to sacrifice their own lives in the hope of improving the future lives

of

their families and their decendents.

Citizens of the United States, and others, ask yourselves WHY?
----
Reg, Amateur Radio, G4FGQ

Reg,

The alleged conditions you describe are not found in the people who do
this,
and if it were present would still have zero bearing on the cause of

these

lunatic suicides. Fractional existence and/or slavery may be found all
over
the globe and was rarely ever a cause of such insanity. Only the
influence
of Islam allows such departure from humanity and any hope of a better

life

here on earth. Islam executes this insane belief not only on others,
but
on
themselves. A combination of education and eradication (genocide) may
be
applied as needed to calm this insanity. Londoners have their own form

of

insanity, that of banning guns from law abiding citizens whilst
encouraging
Muslim Mosques to add to the near 40% Muslim population who preach for

the

destruction of the West from inside the London city gates.

Regards,

Jack Painter
Virginia Beach, Virginia


Islam can be a beautiful, satisfying religion, or it can not. Like
some of the gutter Christian sects infesting America there are people
who profess a belief in God who would use that belief as an excuse
for killing innocent people. People who preach genocide are low,
anti-social, dangerous, and a danger to society and should be locked
up to keep them from doing harm.

Tom Donaly, KA6RUH

then Tom added:
Religious fanatics of every stripe are dangerous, whether they be
Christian, Hindu, Moslem or anything else. So, too, are political
fanatics. The West has plenty of both.

Tom Donaly, KA6RUH

Well Tom, fortunately for you, there are rough men ready to fight in the
middle of the night on the other side of the world, in order that you can
sleep in your bed free from fear. As to your thinking that I should be
locked up, I nonetheless defend your right to be a useless twit, unable to
stand for anything, and able to make dribble about righteousness without a
defining origin of those thoughts. Everything is o.k. with you, except
things that suck. Someone should take care of that stuff for you, so you
don't have to worry too much about it. Gotcha. Oh and Tom, we'll be watching
for those zealous Christian sects infesting America, watching for the first
sign of their *suicide bombings*. In the meantime, maybe you can point to
some evidence of Christians doing that anywhere in the world, ever.

Jack

"Reg Edwards" wrote in message
...
snip

And, to return to topic, to keep yourself sane, get yourself a free
program.
----

Yes, returning to the subject of TOA the antenna I am working with has a
natural TOA of 10 degrees instead of 14 degrees with the feed point at 65
feet
( for 20 meters. tho it can also be used on other bands)
If the antenna is tipped up to angles beyond 15 degrees the TOA increases
until it goes straight up.Thus the antenna can choose the correct angle for
a particular QSO or hops even if the wind is not "waving the antenna
about"! Grin
At present I am searching for a way to DECREASE its natural TOA.by way
of a 2M antenna project and if succesful will dispatch it to the RSGB for
comment.
Regards
Art




.................................................. .........
Regards from Reg, G4FGQ
For Free Radio Design Software go to
http://www.btinternet.com/~g4fgq.regp
.................................................. .........

Reg Edwards wrote:
Aunwin, it is indeed reassuring to hear from a USA citizen, a voter, who can
distinguish between the weapons of mass-destruction possessed and EXTREMELY
EXTENSIVLY USED by the USA during the last 60 years on the towns, cities,
rice fields and jungles of innumerable countries of this small Earth of
ours, as distinct from civilised Briitish Gun Laws and the mixed-up
religious population proportions of this still-free country.


Some people need to be reminded there has NOT YET been a single so-called
terrorist attack on the UK by anybody except, for many years, by the Irish
Republican Army, which is but one of the many disruptive international
organisations financed by the CIA and, via USA taxpayers, the USA
government.


But, as the USA government quite openly states, all is being done in the
very well-worth-while interests of USA citizens. Who can blame them? They
are only ordinary human beings after all.


To them, including USA drug-addicted soldiers, their lives are considerably
more important than the remaining five billions of humanity who are doing
their best against Aids, Earth warming, chicken flue virus, earthquakes,
floods, starvation by the tens of millions, and shortages of clean water.

Solution - bring the International Energy Corporations under control.

It must now be assumed I am on the master list of the CIA's Dirty Tricks
Dept computer and liable to disappear from circulation at any time.

And, to return to topic, to keep yourself sane, get yourself a free program.
----
.................................................. .........
Regards from Reg, G4FGQ
For Free Radio Design Software go to
http://www.btinternet.com/~g4fgq.regp
.................................................. .........



Unmitigated hypocrisy. The British have no business sticking their
noses in the air over our behavior in Iraq. An example: there have
been two men who have been responsible for
using poison gas against civilians in that country. One of them is
the infamous Saddam. The other is the great British war hero
"Bomber" Harris, who, like Adolph Hitler, believed you could win
wars simply by slaughtering innocent people.
Stick your nose in a history book, Reg, and you might be able
to cure yourself of the habit of making these asinine posts.
73,
Tom Donaly, KA6RUH

Tom Donaly wrote:
Islam can be a beautiful, satisfying religion, or it can not. Like
some of the gutter Christian sects infesting America there are people
who profess a belief in God who would use that belief as an excuse
for killing innocent people.

The Judeo-Christian Bible advocates stoning adulterers to death.
--
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On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:47:44 +0000 (UTC), "Reg Edwards"
wrote:

==============================

*On the same night as the infamous air raid on Coventry, a greater weight of
bombs fell on the City of Birmingham and the industrial Black Country. Three
days later fires were still burning in the adjacent town of West Bromwich.
(These days West Bromwich is better noted for its football team.)
BIG SNIP


I'd say that from here on, the angle of radiation has shifted from
antennas to politics -- as evidenced by the replies to this branch of
the threads.


--
73 for now
Buck
N4PGW

Jack Painter wrote:

"Tom Donaly" wrote


Jack Painter wrote:


Hello Art,

I've been to London, and I never heard lunatics advocating the violent
destruction of all things related to the "West" as we know it. But then

I

stayed out of Mosques, too. The reference to the city gates was

anecdotal

only. The 40% was a figure given to me by a London couple I met last

week,

when I quoted 30% muslim population living in London, apparently an old
figure. This particular British couple I met happen to approve of both
President George Bush and our mutual (countries) efforts to eradicate
radical muslim actors. They also have a soldier-son in Kuwait so perhaps
they are privy to information we are not.

We have not declared war on the nation of islam, but we should, because

they

have long ago declared war on the west and all of our tenets of free
religion, free economies and forms of self-government.

Wise up and stop defending that which is focused on your own

destruction. It

has nothing to do with free speech. It has everything to do with

survival. I

don't mince words, and genocide is exactly what it will take to survive

the

onslaught of islam. Education may prevent it from reaching the level of
insanity it presently enjoys. It enjoys this status largely due to the
tolerance of fools who think their elected legislators represent them.
Perhaps Reg remembers when Chamberlain lied to his countrymen, waiving

the

"peace is at hand" (paraphrased, Art) toilet paper that Nazi Germany

gave

him. Saying that Islam is a "peaceful religion" is the same rubbish.

Regards,
Jack

" wrote



Jack, who are the lunatics? To have faith in your religeon or beliefs is

not


insane,
We have christians who have faith in religeon and beliefs. In war many

have


given up their lives
to save others and we have in fact declared war against a religeon.,
Regarding Londoners having their own form of sanity, go to Hyde Park

corner


on a sunday
and hear the free speech that is the right of all even if you may

disagree

with it..
Regarding the gates of London of which there are eight which surround

one

square mile
if you say that 40,000 dwell inside those gates then many must be

squatters


inside the palace walls.
Reg is speaking as a European where the main threat of war in the world

is

seen to come from the Middle East
with the help of the U.S. Why else would we deliver 50 of our most
sophisticated deep concrete bunker
smart bombs? Surely not for destruction of tents and shacks but more
probably to penetrate heavily concrete
nuclear energy stations like their own. I believe Reg is sincere and

correct


in asking the USA from the other side of the pond regarding what we do

in

the Middle East. WHY?
As far as banning guns, I do believe they ban hand grenades and a

plethoria


of other weapons that can only
be used to kill people. It is a democratic country and it is the peoples
will, why are you concerned about it?.
If there are many close by to you who have the same beliefs as you

regarding


genocide you may have to coinsider
whether you want to kill or be considered to be one endangered by the
killing. Your religion may well be different
to your immediate population
Regards
Art

"Jack Painter" wrote in message
news:MfqRd.47386$EG1.7785@lakeread04...


"Reg Edwards" wrote



These days we have other forms of suicide. There are people who are

living


such enforced miserable lives and in such oppressed conditions they
prefer
to sacrifice their own lives in the hope of improving the future lives

of


their families and their decendents.

Citizens of the United States, and others, ask yourselves WHY?
----
Reg, Amateur Radio, G4FGQ

Reg,

The alleged conditions you describe are not found in the people who do
this,
and if it were present would still have zero bearing on the cause of

these


lunatic suicides. Fractional existence and/or slavery may be found all
over
the globe and was rarely ever a cause of such insanity. Only the
influence
of Islam allows such departure from humanity and any hope of a better

life


here on earth. Islam executes this insane belief not only on others,

but

on
themselves. A combination of education and eradication (genocide) may

be

applied as needed to calm this insanity. Londoners have their own form

of


insanity, that of banning guns from law abiding citizens whilst
encouraging
Muslim Mosques to add to the near 40% Muslim population who preach for

the


destruction of the West from inside the London city gates.

Regards,

Jack Painter
Virginia Beach, Virginia


Islam can be a beautiful, satisfying religion, or it can not. Like
some of the gutter Christian sects infesting America there are people
who profess a belief in God who would use that belief as an excuse
for killing innocent people. People who preach genocide are low,
anti-social, dangerous, and a danger to society and should be locked
up to keep them from doing harm.

Tom Donaly, KA6RUH


then Tom added:

Religious fanatics of every stripe are dangerous, whether they be

Christian, Hindu, Moslem or anything else. So, too, are political
fanatics. The West has plenty of both.

Tom Donaly, KA6RUH

Well Tom, fortunately for you, there are rough men ready to fight in the
middle of the night on the other side of the world, in order that you can
sleep in your bed free from fear. As to your thinking that I should be
locked up, I nonetheless defend your right to be a useless twit, unable to
stand for anything, and able to make dribble about righteousness without a
defining origin of those thoughts. Everything is o.k. with you, except
things that suck. Someone should take care of that stuff for you, so you
don't have to worry too much about it. Gotcha. Oh and Tom, we'll be watching
for those zealous Christian sects infesting America, watching for the first
sign of their *suicide bombings*. In the meantime, maybe you can point to
some evidence of Christians doing that anywhere in the world, ever.

Jack



Many atrocities have been committed over the years in the name of
Christ. That doesn't meant that Christianity is bad, but that there
have been people willing to use it as an excuse for slaughter, as
you do. Face it, Painter, when you advocate genocide, you're no better
than the Islamic fanatics in Saudi Arabia calling for the annihilation
of the infidels, or the racialist bigots of Nazi Germany screaming for
the elimination of the Jews. Moreover, you should get something
through your thick, Southern skull before you and people like you
do something stupid: there are Islamic countries that possess nuclear
capabilities. You're not going to be able to murder the people of
those countries without getting something back in return. You need
to calm down and quit watching those hick preachers on T.V. on Sunday.
Maybe you should get out of your easy chair and go to a real Christian
church and learn some real Christianity before you shoot off your
mouth on this newsgroup and make a fool of yourself like Reg.

Tom Donaly, KA6RUH

Jack Painter wrote:
In the meantime, maybe you can point to
some evidence of Christians doing that anywhere in the world, ever.

How do you feel about the sacking of Constanople?
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Tom, remember mustard gas used in the first world war?
Terrible stuff to use yet the largest stockpile in the world
of that terrible stuff is held in mid U.S., for what reason
I do not know, Do you?
Regarding Commander Harris, are you saying that he took a squadron
to Iraq and sprayed poison gas?
Art

"Tom Donaly" wrote in message
...
Reg Edwards wrote:
snip.........................................



Unmitigated hypocrisy. The British have no business sticking their
noses in the air over our behavior in Iraq. An example: there have
been two men who have been responsible for
using poison gas against civilians in that country. One of them is
the infamous Saddam. The other is the great British war hero
"Bomber" Harris, who, like Adolph Hitler, believed you could win
wars simply by slaughtering innocent people.
Stick your nose in a history book, Reg, and you might be able
to cure yourself of the habit of making these asinine posts.
73,
Tom Donaly, KA6RUH

"Tom Donaly" wrote

Jack Painter wrote:

"Tom Donaly" wrote
Jack Painter wrote:

Hello Art,

I've been to London, and I never heard lunatics advocating the violent
destruction of all things related to the "West" as we know it. But then

I

stayed out of Mosques, too. The reference to the city gates was

anecdotal

only. The 40% was a figure given to me by a London couple I met last

week,

when I quoted 30% muslim population living in London, apparently an old
figure. This particular British couple I met happen to approve of both
President George Bush and our mutual (countries) efforts to eradicate
radical muslim actors. They also have a soldier-son in Kuwait so
perhaps
they are privy to information we are not.

We have not declared war on the nation of islam, but we should, because

they

have long ago declared war on the west and all of our tenets of free
religion, free economies and forms of self-government.

Wise up and stop defending that which is focused on your own

destruction. It

has nothing to do with free speech. It has everything to do with

survival. I

don't mince words, and genocide is exactly what it will take to survive

the

onslaught of islam. Education may prevent it from reaching the level of
insanity it presently enjoys. It enjoys this status largely due to the
tolerance of fools who think their elected legislators represent them.
Perhaps Reg remembers when Chamberlain lied to his countrymen, waiving

the

"peace is at hand" (paraphrased, Art) toilet paper that Nazi Germany

gave

him. Saying that Islam is a "peaceful religion" is the same rubbish.

Regards,
Jack

" wrote



Jack, who are the lunatics? To have faith in your religeon or beliefs
is

not


insane,
We have christians who have faith in religeon and beliefs. In war many

have


given up their lives
to save others and we have in fact declared war against a religeon.,
Regarding Londoners having their own form of sanity, go to Hyde Park

corner


on a sunday
and hear the free speech that is the right of all even if you may

disagree

with it..
Regarding the gates of London of which there are eight which surround

one

square mile
if you say that 40,000 dwell inside those gates then many must be

squatters


inside the palace walls.
Reg is speaking as a European where the main threat of war in the
world

is

seen to come from the Middle East
with the help of the U.S. Why else would we deliver 50 of our most
sophisticated deep concrete bunker
smart bombs? Surely not for destruction of tents and shacks but more
probably to penetrate heavily concrete
nuclear energy stations like their own. I believe Reg is sincere and

correct


in asking the USA from the other side of the pond regarding what we do

in

the Middle East. WHY?
As far as banning guns, I do believe they ban hand grenades and a

plethoria


of other weapons that can only
be used to kill people. It is a democratic country and it is the
peoples
will, why are you concerned about it?.
If there are many close by to you who have the same beliefs as you

regarding


genocide you may have to coinsider
whether you want to kill or be considered to be one endangered by the
killing. Your religion may well be different
to your immediate population
Regards
Art

"Jack Painter" wrote in message
news:MfqRd.47386$EG1.7785@lakeread04...


"Reg Edwards" wrote



These days we have other forms of suicide. There are people who are

living


such enforced miserable lives and in such oppressed conditions they
prefer
to sacrifice their own lives in the hope of improving the future
lives

of


their families and their decendents.

Citizens of the United States, and others, ask yourselves WHY?
----
Reg, Amateur Radio, G4FGQ

Reg,

The alleged conditions you describe are not found in the people who
do
this,
and if it were present would still have zero bearing on the cause of

these


lunatic suicides. Fractional existence and/or slavery may be found
all
over
the globe and was rarely ever a cause of such insanity. Only the
influence
of Islam allows such departure from humanity and any hope of a better

life


here on earth. Islam executes this insane belief not only on others,

but

on
themselves. A combination of education and eradication (genocide) may

be

applied as needed to calm this insanity. Londoners have their own
form

of


insanity, that of banning guns from law abiding citizens whilst
encouraging
Muslim Mosques to add to the near 40% Muslim population who preach
for

the


destruction of the West from inside the London city gates.

Regards,

Jack Painter
Virginia Beach, Virginia


Islam can be a beautiful, satisfying religion, or it can not. Like
some of the gutter Christian sects infesting America there are people
who profess a belief in God who would use that belief as an excuse
for killing innocent people. People who preach genocide are low,
anti-social, dangerous, and a danger to society and should be locked
up to keep them from doing harm.

Tom Donaly, KA6RUH


then Tom added:

Religious fanatics of every stripe are dangerous, whether they be

Christian, Hindu, Moslem or anything else. So, too, are political
fanatics. The West has plenty of both.

Tom Donaly, KA6RUH

Well Tom, fortunately for you, there are rough men ready to fight in the
middle of the night on the other side of the world, in order that you
can
sleep in your bed free from fear. As to your thinking that I should be
locked up, I nonetheless defend your right to be a useless twit, unable
to
stand for anything, and able to make dribble about righteousness without
a
defining origin of those thoughts. Everything is o.k. with you, except
things that suck. Someone should take care of that stuff for you, so you
don't have to worry too much about it. Gotcha. Oh and Tom, we'll be
watching
for those zealous Christian sects infesting America, watching for the
first
sign of their *suicide bombings*. In the meantime, maybe you can point
to
some evidence of Christians doing that anywhere in the world, ever.

Jack



Many atrocities have been committed over the years in the name of
Christ. That doesn't meant that Christianity is bad, but that there
have been people willing to use it as an excuse for slaughter, as
you do. Face it, Painter, when you advocate genocide, you're no better
than the Islamic fanatics in Saudi Arabia calling for the annihilation
of the infidels, or the racialist bigots of Nazi Germany screaming for
the elimination of the Jews. Moreover, you should get something
through your thick, Southern skull before you and people like you
do something stupid: there are Islamic countries that possess nuclear
capabilities. You're not going to be able to murder the people of
those countries without getting something back in return. You need
to calm down and quit watching those hick preachers on T.V. on Sunday.
Maybe you should get out of your easy chair and go to a real Christian
church and learn some real Christianity before you shoot off your
mouth on this newsgroup and make a fool of yourself like Reg.

Tom Donaly, KA6RUH


I never made the argument that Christians should rise up against Islam, you
did. You're as fond of attacking Christians as anything else you don't
understand, but we could leave that out of the discussion easily, as it just
gets you more confused and doesn't answer the problem that I stated, which
was:

We have not declared war on the nation of islam, but we should, because
they
have long ago declared war on the west and all of our tenets of free
religion, free economies and forms of self-government.

Read that to yourself a few times, Tom.

I may have a big mouth, but I will not apologize for the beliefs and
fundamentals that made western life the best the world has ever known. It is
also the only system of beliefs that sacrifices our sons and daughters to
free others from tyranny, and to educate and promote free trade that allows
employment of all in an honest living. That saps like you will argue
everything Americans say or do is more evidence that we are truly a divided
country. But what divides us in not what the muslims want to kill us for,
and you are too much of an ass to see that you will be as dead a sap-sucker
as I will be a patriot, unless we agree on the definition of islam as evil.
That has nothing whatsoever to do with christianity or any other religion.
It is reality.

Other places your stereotype darts landed were also wrong; I grew up in the
north-east, have a bachelor of science from a northern school (minor in
poli-sci), and was also educated in West Germany where I was an exchange
student for a year. I traveled all over europe then and many times later,
not counting my service as a launch operations supervisor aboard a ballistic
missile sub, forward deployed in scotland. I'm well aware of the atrocities
of nazi germany, and its another mark of your ignorance that you could
assume you know what my education and experience was there. Want to teach me
some more about who has nuclear weapons next? My "thick southern skull" is
so ripe for your vast knowledge of tripe, tom.

Islam and its muslim cronies that have been the cause of crusades in the
past and are causing history to repeat itself now. I never heard any tv
preacher say that, it's as obvious as the day is light. Maybe you folks in
california just don't appreciate what it felt like to have one plane load of
muslim suicide-bombers fly over you and then crash in your state, and have
another one headed for the same place, fall a little short. Or hear about
how two of the same bombers were in your city for two weeks scoping out weak
points in your seaport and military installations. But virginians do
remember that it was the city council of berkley california that made
several demands to the u.s. government to stop bombing japan even as we were
losing thousands of young marines and sailors every week to push the japanee
out of the occupied territories of the pacific. Good thing I don't believe
in stereotypes like you do, or else you and most of your state would be
given one-way tickets out.

Jack

"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
...
Jack Painter wrote:
In the meantime, maybe you can point to
some evidence of Christians doing that anywhere in the world, ever.

How do you feel about the sacking of Constanople?
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

Hi Cecil,

"the sacking"? 1204 or 1453? Pretty ruthless, but don't recall the
christian defenders using suicide bomber tactics, then or ever. I'll take
Richard's story of that young marine's comments (was it an adaptation of
remarks from the movie "Patton"?) about not being keen to die for his
country, but looking forward to fighting for it (making the other guy die
for his country).

Jack