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On Tue, 24 May 2005 15:05:21 -0400, John Smith
wrote: -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ You can convert any text file to PDF format with Open Office Writer.. and it's free also. 73 Dave kc1di |
You can 'Create Java Programs for free' by downloading the Java JDK and Java
tutorial from http://Java.sun.com - and Python programming at Python.org - and PHP programmnig, and Perl programming at activestate.com. and you can host your own website by downloading a free server from Apache.org. then you have openOffice.org for an office suite that's free and Gimp for image manipulation - and Satori "John Smith" wrote in message ... Many here seem to be hung up on .pdf files, adobes pdf creator is expensive. Here is a utility which installs itself like a printer, all you do is choose to print from any windows application, choose this printer driver and it will "print" a .pdf file of any word, notepad, etc. And you end up with a .pdf of the work in question... Warmest regards, John -- Watching the cutting edge of yesterday replay--in virtual reality, right before my eyes--in real time! Thirty year old technology--wasn't it amazing? |
Java is OK for Linux, C# is better on windows machines (both use the "C"
programming syntax--both are scripting languages--if you are going to use a scripting language get activeperl, it is free and the best)... Windows XP no longer supports java--if you patch with SP2 (and you most certainly should) java is lost and must be installed as a third party component from the SUN Microsystems site... I don't use Java--too slow... most malicious webpage/email/newsgroup attacks are in java these days... although few are successful--some are... scriptkiddies favorite language is Java... Warmest regards, John "Hal Rosser" wrote in message .. . You can 'Create Java Programs for free' by downloading the Java JDK and Java tutorial from http://Java.sun.com - and Python programming at Python.org - and PHP programmnig, and Perl programming at activestate.com. and you can host your own website by downloading a free server from Apache.org. then you have openOffice.org for an office suite that's free and Gimp for image manipulation - and Satori "John Smith" wrote in message ... Many here seem to be hung up on .pdf files, adobes pdf creator is expensive. Here is a utility which installs itself like a printer, all you do is choose to print from any windows application, choose this printer driver and it will "print" a .pdf file of any word, notepad, etc. And you end up with a .pdf of the work in question... Warmest regards, John -- Watching the cutting edge of yesterday replay--in virtual reality, right before my eyes--in real time! Thirty year old technology--wasn't it amazing? |
sounds like you're mixing up Java and JavaScript.
Java is really a good language for Linux - and Wndows - And for i-series (AS/400) C# is a java wannabe. (VB.net runs as fast as C#) You call them scripting languages - but they're really hybrids - they are compiled - but not to machine language. Java needs the JVM - and C# needs the dot-net framework. Java will run on most platforms. C# will run on windows. Java rules. C# is not my favorite language - in case I wasn't clear. I like Python better than Perl. It is Object-oriented. Java spoiled me for OO. When it comes to server-side programming, Java is the one - JSP and servlets. "John Smith" wrote in message ... Java is OK for Linux, C# is better on windows machines (both use the "C" programming syntax--both are scripting languages--if you are going to use a scripting language get activeperl, it is free and the best)... Windows XP no longer supports java--if you patch with SP2 (and you most certainly should) java is lost and must be installed as a third party component from the SUN Microsystems site... I don't use Java--too slow... most malicious webpage/email/newsgroup attacks are in java these days... although few are successful--some are... scriptkiddies favorite language is Java... Warmest regards, John |
Java is NOT a computer language... script compilers have always been
available, perl has one also, as does C#, wsh, etc--java "compiled" is really still a script calling winapi's on windows, and calls into kernel code in Linux... .... it is slow... There is nothing wrong with scripting languages, I use perl all the time (but I don't bother with the "compiler")--indeed, one scripting language is enough--why the world wants a hundred is above my understanding... windows wish/wsh has front ends for most, so you can write in the syntax you are fluent in--perl--wish--C#--java--etc--in fact--this is how they implemented Java on their platform, and why SUN sued them and they removed it... Java--Java Beans--Javascript is all pretty much the same--mostly "compiling" only obfuscates the code--at first this made it difficult for others to copy--now Java "de-compilers" tear it apart to the base source code with ease... Java "compiles" in OS specific format--javascript is in webpages... the JIT (Just In Time compiler) "runs" that java code on a windows system... what ultimately runs--used to be the wsh/wish windows script--now since SUN sued, you must get their binaries... Warmest regards, John "Hal Rosser" wrote in message . .. sounds like you're mixing up Java and JavaScript. Java is really a good language for Linux - and Wndows - And for i-series (AS/400) C# is a java wannabe. (VB.net runs as fast as C#) You call them scripting languages - but they're really hybrids - they are compiled - but not to machine language. Java needs the JVM - and C# needs the dot-net framework. Java will run on most platforms. C# will run on windows. Java rules. C# is not my favorite language - in case I wasn't clear. I like Python better than Perl. It is Object-oriented. Java spoiled me for OO. When it comes to server-side programming, Java is the one - JSP and servlets. "John Smith" wrote in message ... Java is OK for Linux, C# is better on windows machines (both use the "C" programming syntax--both are scripting languages--if you are going to use a scripting language get activeperl, it is free and the best)... Windows XP no longer supports java--if you patch with SP2 (and you most certainly should) java is lost and must be installed as a third party component from the SUN Microsystems site... I don't use Java--too slow... most malicious webpage/email/newsgroup attacks are in java these days... although few are successful--some are... scriptkiddies favorite language is Java... Warmest regards, John |
.... in the above post...
--used to be the wsh/wish windows script-- should have been: --used to be the wsh/wish windows scripting engine-- Warmest regards, John "John Smith" wrote in message ... Java is NOT a computer language... script compilers have always been available, perl has one also, as does C#, wsh, etc--java "compiled" is really still a script calling winapi's on windows, and calls into kernel code in Linux... ... it is slow... There is nothing wrong with scripting languages, I use perl all the time (but I don't bother with the "compiler")--indeed, one scripting language is enough--why the world wants a hundred is above my understanding... windows wish/wsh has front ends for most, so you can write in the syntax you are fluent in--perl--wish--C#--java--etc--in fact--this is how they implemented Java on their platform, and why SUN sued them and they removed it... Java--Java Beans--Javascript is all pretty much the same--mostly "compiling" only obfuscates the code--at first this made it difficult for others to copy--now Java "de-compilers" tear it apart to the base source code with ease... Java "compiles" in OS specific format--javascript is in webpages... the JIT (Just In Time compiler) "runs" that java code on a windows system... what ultimately runs--used to be the wsh/wish windows script--now since SUN sued, you must get their binaries... Warmest regards, John "Hal Rosser" wrote in message . .. sounds like you're mixing up Java and JavaScript. Java is really a good language for Linux - and Wndows - And for i-series (AS/400) C# is a java wannabe. (VB.net runs as fast as C#) You call them scripting languages - but they're really hybrids - they are compiled - but not to machine language. Java needs the JVM - and C# needs the dot-net framework. Java will run on most platforms. C# will run on windows. Java rules. C# is not my favorite language - in case I wasn't clear. I like Python better than Perl. It is Object-oriented. Java spoiled me for OO. When it comes to server-side programming, Java is the one - JSP and servlets. "John Smith" wrote in message ... Java is OK for Linux, C# is better on windows machines (both use the "C" programming syntax--both are scripting languages--if you are going to use a scripting language get activeperl, it is free and the best)... Windows XP no longer supports java--if you patch with SP2 (and you most certainly should) java is lost and must be installed as a third party component from the SUN Microsystems site... I don't use Java--too slow... most malicious webpage/email/newsgroup attacks are in java these days... although few are successful--some are... scriptkiddies favorite language is Java... Warmest regards, John |
hehe
Perl is obfusication personified and suitable for small jobs only. Java , C++ and most other OO languages are scalable. speaking of s l o w no matter how fast they make processors no matter how much memory no matter how large the hard drive as soon as they're on the market someone will write the app that will bring it to its knees that's the job of M$ ;-) "John Smith" wrote in message ... Java is NOT a computer language... script compilers have always been available, perl has one also, as does C#, wsh, etc--java "compiled" is really still a script calling winapi's on windows, and calls into kernel code in Linux... ... it is slow... There is nothing wrong with scripting languages, I use perl all the time (but I don't bother with the "compiler")--indeed, one scripting language is enough--why the world wants a hundred is above my understanding... windows wish/wsh has front ends for most, so you can write in the syntax you are fluent in--perl--wish--C#--java--etc--in fact--this is how they implemented Java on their platform, and why SUN sued them and they removed it... Java--Java Beans--Javascript is all pretty much the same--mostly "compiling" only obfuscates the code--at first this made it difficult for others to copy--now Java "de-compilers" tear it apart to the base source code with ease... Java "compiles" in OS specific format--javascript is in webpages... the JIT (Just In Time compiler) "runs" that java code on a windows system... what ultimately runs--used to be the wsh/wish windows script--now since SUN sued, you must get their binaries... Warmest regards, John "Hal Rosser" wrote in message . .. sounds like you're mixing up Java and JavaScript. Java is really a good language for Linux - and Wndows - And for i-series (AS/400) C# is a java wannabe. (VB.net runs as fast as C#) You call them scripting languages - but they're really hybrids - they are compiled - but not to machine language. Java needs the JVM - and C# needs the dot-net framework. Java will run on most platforms. C# will run on windows. Java rules. C# is not my favorite language - in case I wasn't clear. I like Python better than Perl. It is Object-oriented. Java spoiled me for OO. When it comes to server-side programming, Java is the one - JSP and servlets. "John Smith" wrote in message ... Java is OK for Linux, C# is better on windows machines (both use the "C" programming syntax--both are scripting languages--if you are going to use a scripting language get activeperl, it is free and the best)... Windows XP no longer supports java--if you patch with SP2 (and you most certainly should) java is lost and must be installed as a third party component from the SUN Microsystems site... I don't use Java--too slow... most malicious webpage/email/newsgroup attacks are in java these days... although few are successful--some are... scriptkiddies favorite language is Java... Warmest regards, John |
Hal:
LOL! Years ago I can remember looking at perl and asking, "WHAT THE H3LL IS THAT?"--now it looks like my grocery list, simple--but I get your point... However, how is java or "C++" any better, after cobol, basic and pascal--then seeing Dennis Richies' little project (A, B and "C"), I asked, "WHAT THE H3LL IS THAT?" grin .... however, point well taken... Mr. Dennis Richies REAL homepage: http://www.cs.bell-labs.com/who/dmr/ Warmest regards, John "Hal Rosser" wrote in message ... hehe Perl is obfusication personified and suitable for small jobs only. Java , C++ and most other OO languages are scalable. speaking of s l o w no matter how fast they make processors no matter how much memory no matter how large the hard drive as soon as they're on the market someone will write the app that will bring it to its knees that's the job of M$ ;-) "John Smith" wrote in message ... Java is NOT a computer language... script compilers have always been available, perl has one also, as does C#, wsh, etc--java "compiled" is really still a script calling winapi's on windows, and calls into kernel code in Linux... ... it is slow... There is nothing wrong with scripting languages, I use perl all the time (but I don't bother with the "compiler")--indeed, one scripting language is enough--why the world wants a hundred is above my understanding... windows wish/wsh has front ends for most, so you can write in the syntax you are fluent in--perl--wish--C#--java--etc--in fact--this is how they implemented Java on their platform, and why SUN sued them and they removed it... Java--Java Beans--Javascript is all pretty much the same--mostly "compiling" only obfuscates the code--at first this made it difficult for others to copy--now Java "de-compilers" tear it apart to the base source code with ease... Java "compiles" in OS specific format--javascript is in webpages... the JIT (Just In Time compiler) "runs" that java code on a windows system... what ultimately runs--used to be the wsh/wish windows script--now since SUN sued, you must get their binaries... Warmest regards, John "Hal Rosser" wrote in message . .. sounds like you're mixing up Java and JavaScript. Java is really a good language for Linux - and Wndows - And for i-series (AS/400) C# is a java wannabe. (VB.net runs as fast as C#) You call them scripting languages - but they're really hybrids - they are compiled - but not to machine language. Java needs the JVM - and C# needs the dot-net framework. Java will run on most platforms. C# will run on windows. Java rules. C# is not my favorite language - in case I wasn't clear. I like Python better than Perl. It is Object-oriented. Java spoiled me for OO. When it comes to server-side programming, Java is the one - JSP and servlets. "John Smith" wrote in message ... Java is OK for Linux, C# is better on windows machines (both use the "C" programming syntax--both are scripting languages--if you are going to use a scripting language get activeperl, it is free and the best)... Windows XP no longer supports java--if you patch with SP2 (and you most certainly should) java is lost and must be installed as a third party component from the SUN Microsystems site... I don't use Java--too slow... most malicious webpage/email/newsgroup attacks are in java these days... although few are successful--some are... scriptkiddies favorite language is Java... Warmest regards, John |
Perl is good at what its designed for - text manipulation and report
generation. And as they say - its also known as the Swiss-Army Chain Saw of languages. To answer the question how is Java and the OO-languages better than Cobol and the procedural languages. You'll have to get into the Object-oriented way of thinking (and it was not an easy paradigm shift for me) Java 'grows on you' (some say 'like a mold') at first its ok, because the syntax is easy enough. Then you get into inheritance and Polymorphism and the other OO concepts its a different way of thinking about programming. google "Thinking in Java" or "Thinking in C++" by Bruce Eckel for a little more insight into the OO-way. "John Smith" wrote in message ... Hal: LOL! Years ago I can remember looking at perl and asking, "WHAT THE H3LL IS THAT?"--now it looks like my grocery list, simple--but I get your point... However, how is java or "C++" any better, after cobol, basic and pascal--then seeing Dennis Richies' little project (A, B and "C"), I asked, "WHAT THE H3LL IS THAT?" grin ... however, point well taken... Mr. Dennis Richies REAL homepage: http://www.cs.bell-labs.com/who/dmr/ Warmest regards, John |
There is no Object Orientated Assembly Language (by definition)--it is the
way you write the assembly code which will either make it OOP specification compliant, or not--I was lucky, I naturally wrote code that way, when it made/makes sense... from the start I seen myself showing up with a briefcase full of cdroms, all containing code from past projects, and written with procedure/function calls, containing data which was appropriate for each, using NO global data (well, sometimes ya gotta), appropriate use of dynamic and static .dll calls, so as to be sane, etc, etc... and constructing whole, new programs from what has already been built with highly structured code... This is all OOP is--however, the "Pseudo-Intellectuals" immediately start banding about such terms, and do not understand that these terms are based on very simple principals--and that one does NOT need an "Object Orientated Language" to create such code--and yes, except for all data having to be global in the past, in Perl, you could have always written OOP in Perl if you had chosen (for the most part, that has all changed, now you can keep data and variables local)--sometimes, I still choose not to... Java is a scripting language which can be "compiled", it is not a good language--it is popular with scriptkiddies (black hats) which think "C code" is difficult for others to understand--it is "C Syntax" and I am writing my memoirs in "C" !!!! grin In the industry we watch out for people showing up and using "OOP" as they would George Bushes' name, or as a holy mantra--it shows they are either fresh out of college, or "Weekend Programmers", or worse, scriptkiddies... Warmest regards, John "Hal Rosser" wrote in message .. . Perl is good at what its designed for - text manipulation and report generation. And as they say - its also known as the Swiss-Army Chain Saw of languages. To answer the question how is Java and the OO-languages better than Cobol and the procedural languages. You'll have to get into the Object-oriented way of thinking (and it was not an easy paradigm shift for me) Java 'grows on you' (some say 'like a mold') at first its ok, because the syntax is easy enough. Then you get into inheritance and Polymorphism and the other OO concepts its a different way of thinking about programming. google "Thinking in Java" or "Thinking in C++" by Bruce Eckel for a little more insight into the OO-way. "John Smith" wrote in message ... Hal: LOL! Years ago I can remember looking at perl and asking, "WHAT THE H3LL IS THAT?"--now it looks like my grocery list, simple--but I get your point... However, how is java or "C++" any better, after cobol, basic and pascal--then seeing Dennis Richies' little project (A, B and "C"), I asked, "WHAT THE H3LL IS THAT?" grin ... however, point well taken... Mr. Dennis Richies REAL homepage: http://www.cs.bell-labs.com/who/dmr/ Warmest regards, John |
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