Al:

This room is less about antennas than it is about egos, hero worship,
and the "good ole boys club."

I have seen egos here large enough to chase all the air from the
room--leaves one breathless... a couple of these guys are even "LEGENDS
IN THEIR OWN MINDS!", now that's gotta count for something!

Perhaps we will eventually get some 25 to 45 year olds in here and
restore some progressive thinking, discussion, debate and argument which
civilized men can conduct in productive ways... those who have had
their day in the sun (or 15 minutes of fame) will eventually move on.

Right now, there is little point in fighting the "status quo" here--they
turn like a pack of wild dogs in attack if even someone poses an
original thought, or explores an unconventional path... one poor long
tall drink of water from Texas is taking his lickings for this now.

It does have the effect of chasing off fresh new minds which would be of
interest to us who would enjoy group participation--rather than a
lecture by a dinosaur (and I can say that even being close to "dinosaur
age" myself.)

Hang in there OM... if you have measured those swr's and know your
product, people will give it a go...

.... the construction seems well done and should provide service for many
years...

Should be more than satisfactory for someone just wanting to get on the
band(s) and not become an antenna guru. Heck, with an L-Match on it a
guy might be surprised how wide that bandwidth can become...

Warmest regards,
John

"Al" wrote in message
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Hey Al,

Don't let the nay-sayers in this NG bother you, and don't waste
your time arguing with them.

Some of them can't stand the thought that any antenna which differs
from their personal pet(s) might be good. Others can't grasp the
idea that when model predictions and actual results differ, it's the
results that count. Still others can't seem to understand that effects
too small to measure usually do not matter in the real world.

Your antenna is beautifully made, very reasonably priced, and
you are (apparently) making a successful small business with it.
Your customers are delighted, and refer their friends. You are
starting to attract imitators. How many of these accomplishments
can the nay-sayers claim?

Keep up the good work... the XYL and I love our three OSJs!
And they are now pretty much standard in our ARES/RACES
organization. NO complaints heard to date.

Thanks, Ed, W6LOL

You are absolutely right.
There is an old saying "You can't please all the people all the time".
That's why I put the Money Back Guarantee on everything I sell.
The return rate is less than 1 in 1,000 units sold. That's good enough
for me.

That's it, I am done. Thanks for all the fun. 73 Al Lowe N0IMW

This room is less about antennas than it is about egos, hero worship,
and the "good ole boys club."

Speak for yourself....I rarely deviate from the topic of
the NG...On the other hand....That John Smith/Bret dude
often goes off on weird tangents.......


Hang in there OM... if you have measured those swr's and know your
product, people will give it a go...

SWR has absolutely nothing to do with common mode
currents..
Even someone just wanting to get on the band(s) should
be aware of that. It's for their own good. MK

.... what is never GOOD is having another tell one WHAT IS GOOD for
them... if you do that in normal life, expect to get told off as often
as here...

John

wrote in message
oups.com...
This room is less about antennas than it is about egos, hero worship,
and the "good ole boys club."

Speak for yourself....I rarely deviate from the topic of
the NG...On the other hand....That John Smith/Bret dude
often goes off on weird tangents.......


Hang in there OM... if you have measured those swr's and know your
product, people will give it a go...

SWR has absolutely nothing to do with common mode
currents..
Even someone just wanting to get on the band(s) should
be aware of that. It's for their own good. MK

what is never GOOD is having another tell one WHAT IS GOOD for
them... if you do that in normal life, expect to get told off as often
as here...

What is good is talking to people that don't
have their heads up their rearend.
All I'm doing is stating fairly simple facts.
If you choose to ignore them, fine with me...
But don't start with your goofball behavior pattern
just because I'm trying to clarify that *no* type of feed on an
elevated vertical is capable of fully decoupling the antenna
on it's own.


I quote from Al's first post....
"One think you may have missed, the original post was about a Arrow
Antenna J-Pole. This is an Open Stub type J-Pole, Not a Closed Stub
type like the copper pipe ones. The OSJ does not need a choke, it does
not have a problem with feedline radiation or a problem with Common
Mode Currents. "

That statement is *false* if you want the best performance.
That type of antenna is most certainly able to suffer from
feedline radiation. Sure, it may be better decoupled from
the line using his method vs another, but that does not deal
with spillover currents. There must be a 2nd decoupling device to
deal with those currents. The antenna does include that as
sold.

If you think I really give a hoot about Arrow antennas, or Al,
or whoever, you are sadly mistaken. He would have never
heard from me if he hadn't said that his J pole can't suffer from
common mode problems.
I'm a dumbass compared to many of these people, and even I
know thats a silly statement to make, unless you like holes in your
toes.
Oh...And I can't ever recall ever being "told off" on any post, on
any NG...I don't have the behavior patterns, hyperactivity, etc,
that you seem to exhibit. So I don't attract the attention that people
like you do. The only people that ever get me going are smartasses.
I have run across 4-5 real=AE smartasses on my journey through the
internet.
They tried to tell me off, but I quickly showed them that that was an
effort in futility. I'm rated a black belt when it comes to
smartasses.
You wanna be #6 on the list? Go ahead...Make my day....
At this point, I don't consider you a full fledged smartass...
You are like a 9 year old that is hyperactive from gorging on
chocolate, that turned out to actually be coated preluden pills...
So I cut you a bit of slack...So far.....Don't push your luck...

You would have never heard from me, except that your post struck
me as overall BS...As usual....
Note...

This room is less about antennas than it is about egos, hero worship,
and the "good ole boys club."

Only people that are defensive, or are trying to cover something up,
or trying to claim some silly nonsense would feel this way.
All people have ego's to varying degrees.
Best to ignore....
I would never worship a man.
I don't belong to any clubs, but I reckon if I did, I would
prefer a bunch of good ole boys, over a bunch of anal
retentive "girly men" who constantly feel victimized
by the world in general...
MK

On 13 Jun 2005 23:29:21 -0700, wrote:

what is never GOOD is having another tell one WHAT IS GOOD for
them... if you do that in normal life, expect to get told off as often
as here...

What is good is talking to people that don't
have their heads up their rearend.
All I'm doing is stating fairly simple facts.
If you choose to ignore them, fine with me...
But don't start with your goofball behavior pattern
just because I'm trying to clarify that *no* type of feed on an
elevated vertical is capable of fully decoupling the antenna
on it's own.


I quote from Al's first post....
"One think you may have missed, the original post was about a Arrow
Antenna J-Pole. This is an Open Stub type J-Pole, Not a Closed Stub
type like the copper pipe ones. The OSJ does not need a choke, it does
not have a problem with feedline radiation or a problem with Common
Mode Currents. "

That statement is *false* if you want the best performance.
That type of antenna is most certainly able to suffer from
feedline radiation. Sure, it may be better decoupled from
the line using his method vs another, but that does not deal
with spillover currents. There must be a 2nd decoupling device to
deal with those currents. The antenna does include that as
sold.

If you think I really give a hoot about Arrow antennas, or Al,
or whoever, you are sadly mistaken. He would have never
heard from me if he hadn't said that his J pole can't suffer from
common mode problems.
I'm a dumbass compared to many of these people, and even I
know thats a silly statement to make, unless you like holes in your
toes.
Oh...And I can't ever recall ever being "told off" on any post, on
any NG...I don't have the behavior patterns, hyperactivity, etc,
that you seem to exhibit. So I don't attract the attention that people
like you do. The only people that ever get me going are smartasses.
I have run across 4-5 real® smartasses on my journey through the
internet.
They tried to tell me off, but I quickly showed them that that was an
effort in futility. I'm rated a black belt when it comes to
smartasses.
You wanna be #6 on the list? Go ahead...Make my day....
At this point, I don't consider you a full fledged smartass...
You are like a 9 year old that is hyperactive from gorging on
chocolate, that turned out to actually be coated preluden pills...
So I cut you a bit of slack...So far.....Don't push your luck...

You would have never heard from me, except that your post struck
me as overall BS...As usual....
Note...

This room is less about antennas than it is about egos, hero worship,
and the "good ole boys club."

Only people that are defensive, or are trying to cover something up,
or trying to claim some silly nonsense would feel this way.
All people have ego's to varying degrees.
Best to ignore....
I would never worship a man.
I don't belong to any clubs, but I reckon if I did, I would
prefer a bunch of good ole boys, over a bunch of anal
retentive "girly men" who constantly feel victimized
by the world in general...
MK


Well said.

.... my gawd, you go into far too much verbiage for far too simple of
explanation(s) of your personal, views, beliefs and offerings... I do
choose to ignore them and toss 'me into "what nm5k likes" bucket--which
frankly, "charlotte--I don't give a damn."

.... if the only time you hear these complaints are from me, no need to
worry, if others point out your nature is less than desirable (and new
members--not the good ole boys here who are into the "mutual admiration
societies", "legends of their own mind(s) clubs) then you may want to
use it to your advantage--or not...

John

wrote in message
oups.com...
what is never GOOD is having another tell one WHAT IS GOOD for
them... if you do that in normal life, expect to get told off as often
as here...

What is good is talking to people that don't
have their heads up their rearend.
All I'm doing is stating fairly simple facts.
If you choose to ignore them, fine with me...
But don't start with your goofball behavior pattern
just because I'm trying to clarify that *no* type of feed on an
elevated vertical is capable of fully decoupling the antenna
on it's own.


I quote from Al's first post....
"One think you may have missed, the original post was about a Arrow
Antenna J-Pole. This is an Open Stub type J-Pole, Not a Closed Stub
type like the copper pipe ones. The OSJ does not need a choke, it does
not have a problem with feedline radiation or a problem with Common
Mode Currents. "

That statement is *false* if you want the best performance.
That type of antenna is most certainly able to suffer from
feedline radiation. Sure, it may be better decoupled from
the line using his method vs another, but that does not deal
with spillover currents. There must be a 2nd decoupling device to
deal with those currents. The antenna does include that as
sold.

If you think I really give a hoot about Arrow antennas, or Al,
or whoever, you are sadly mistaken. He would have never
heard from me if he hadn't said that his J pole can't suffer from
common mode problems.
I'm a dumbass compared to many of these people, and even I
know thats a silly statement to make, unless you like holes in your
toes.
Oh...And I can't ever recall ever being "told off" on any post, on
any NG...I don't have the behavior patterns, hyperactivity, etc,
that you seem to exhibit. So I don't attract the attention that people
like you do. The only people that ever get me going are smartasses.
I have run across 4-5 real® smartasses on my journey through the
internet.
They tried to tell me off, but I quickly showed them that that was an
effort in futility. I'm rated a black belt when it comes to
smartasses.
You wanna be #6 on the list? Go ahead...Make my day....
At this point, I don't consider you a full fledged smartass...
You are like a 9 year old that is hyperactive from gorging on
chocolate, that turned out to actually be coated preluden pills...
So I cut you a bit of slack...So far.....Don't push your luck...

You would have never heard from me, except that your post struck
me as overall BS...As usual....
Note...

This room is less about antennas than it is about egos, hero worship,
and the "good ole boys club."

Only people that are defensive, or are trying to cover something up,
or trying to claim some silly nonsense would feel this way.
All people have ego's to varying degrees.
Best to ignore....
I would never worship a man.
I don't belong to any clubs, but I reckon if I did, I would
prefer a bunch of good ole boys, over a bunch of anal
retentive "girly men" who constantly feel victimized
by the world in general...
MK