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Anyone who has ever watched Startrek knows the light speed limitation is
incorrect.

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If your Physics is learned from Startrek you may have a problem!

Read the article! The critical statement, IMO, is quoted:

" ... By tweaking the relationship between phase velocities, it’s
possible to
adjust the group velocity and create the illusion that parts of the pulse
are traveling faster than the speed of light. ..."

Note the word "ILLUSION"




Fred W4JLE wrote:
Anyone who has ever watched Startrek knows the light speed limitation is
incorrect.

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Sorry I forgot to put in a winking emoticon for the clueless. I thought that
it was obvious that it was a joke.

"Ham op" wrote in message
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If your Physics is learned from Startrek you may have a problem!

For those folks who aren't all that familiar with transmission lines. .

Velocity factor refers to phase velocity, and the VF of all hollow
waveguides is 1.0.

Of course, the group velocity is always 1.0, and that's the rate at
which information can be conveyed. I don't believe for a minute that
this rule has been broken.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

Fred:

I don't believe that anyone has demonstrated faster than light
transmission of an energy, wave or particle, where the effect is
duplicable on demand, yet...

I do believe it will be done in the future, hopefully the rather near
future... but it will can only be done by people who are searching for
way--the scoffers will never, ever be able to present us with a method
to do so--on that you can bet heavily!

John

On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 20:42:58 -0400, Fred W4JLE wrote:

Anyone who has ever watched Startrek knows the light speed limitation is
incorrect.

"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
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John, picture if you will, an observer on earth watches a spacecraft pass
between the moon and the sun at 99.9%C. The occupant of the space craft
knows that the distance is about 93 million miles and clicks his stopwatch
as he passes the moon, and again as he passes the sun. Given the time and
distance, he computes his speed (measured with his slowed down time piece)
and concludes he has exceeded C. Ergo there must be analogs of C. What say
you?

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Fred:

I don't believe that anyone has demonstrated faster than light
transmission of an energy, wave or particle, where the effect is
duplicable on demand, yet...

I do believe it will be done in the future, hopefully the rather near
future... but it will can only be done by people who are searching for
way--the scoffers will never, ever be able to present us with a method
to do so--on that you can bet heavily!

John

On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 20:42:58 -0400, Fred W4JLE wrote:

Anyone who has ever watched Startrek knows the light speed limitation is
incorrect.

"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
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Fred:

Quite obviously, there is no such thing as time.

However, since he is attempting to discern if there is a change in his
speed (rapidity at which he is transversing the ether), against a speed
which we now claim as a "law"--i.e. speed-of-light, he must attempt
something, and measure it against some other spinning object (namely
earth, when he uses his watch.)

He would actually need to throw away the watch and race a laser beam on a
parallel course to himself, which is originating in a third place behind
him to get any meaningful measurement at all, as all he is interested in
is how fast he is traveling in relationship to light transversing the same
media as himself.

But he is doomed to failure, as surely you must see. Time = movement =
distance, since there is no such thing as time, it is actually distance
(or space itself in between points he travels) which he is really causing
to change, and to my knowledge, we have not yet constructed the device
which can measure such, but a shortening of distance is obviously
happening between him and his destination, those lines of ether which
connect him to his destination are being warped in someway not understood,
probably being bent back upon themselves like a horseshoe, and now he is
not actually traveling the distance around the horseshoe, but rather,
stepping across the two ends.

Ether, the real "matter" of the universe, passes though our altered state
(caused by the big bang ripping our "matter" from the real matter the
universe is composed of and altering its properties into "our matter")
like a gas though a screen composed of very large holes. At the speed of
light this resistance of our bodies to the flow of ether though them fails
to remain insignificant, what happens next, when our matter finally
becomes a real resistance to ether and then goes further to "push" the
ether in a flow not of its' own design, and in a way we have never seen
done since the big bang, is unknown...

.... but, I do think upon these things ... and others claim there is
nothing to even be thought upon ...

.... but then you already knew there was no way to answer your original
question, at least not correctly ...

John

On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 22:49:03 -0400, Fred W4JLE wrote:

John, picture if you will, an observer on earth watches a spacecraft pass
between the moon and the sun at 99.9%C. The occupant of the space craft
knows that the distance is about 93 million miles and clicks his stopwatch
as he passes the moon, and again as he passes the sun. Given the time and
distance, he computes his speed (measured with his slowed down time piece)
and concludes he has exceeded C. Ergo there must be analogs of C. What say
you?

"John Smith" wrote in message
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Fred:

I don't believe that anyone has demonstrated faster than light
transmission of an energy, wave or particle, where the effect is
duplicable on demand, yet...

I do believe it will be done in the future, hopefully the rather near
future... but it will can only be done by people who are searching for
way--the scoffers will never, ever be able to present us with a method
to do so--on that you can bet heavily!

John

On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 20:42:58 -0400, Fred W4JLE wrote:

Anyone who has ever watched Startrek knows the light speed limitation is
incorrect.

"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
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http://www.livescience.com/technolog...fastlight.html

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Fred W4JLE wrote:

John, picture if you will, an observer on earth watches a spacecraft pass
between the moon and the sun at 99.9%C. The occupant of the space craft
knows that the distance is about 93 million miles and clicks his stopwatch
as he passes the moon, and again as he passes the sun. Given the time and
distance, he computes his speed (measured with his slowed down time piece)
and concludes he has exceeded C. Ergo there must be analogs of C. What say
you?


Doesn't the Relativistic Gamma Function ALSO change distance?

Everything is RELATIVE: except the absolute velocity of light.

John Smith wrote:
I don't believe that anyone has demonstrated faster than light
transmission of an energy, wave or particle, where the effect is
duplicable on demand, yet...

Entangled particles may not violate the letter of the speed
of light limit but they certainly violate the spirit of the
limit. When man figures out how to change the entangled particle
generation pattern from random to predictable, we will have
faster than light communications. It's just a matter of time. :-)
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp


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