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Fred:
Quite obviously, there is no such thing as time. However, since he is attempting to discern if there is a change in his speed (rapidity at which he is transversing the ether), against a speed which we now claim as a "law"--i.e. speed-of-light, he must attempt something, and measure it against some other spinning object (namely earth, when he uses his watch.) He would actually need to throw away the watch and race a laser beam on a parallel course to himself, which is originating in a third place behind him to get any meaningful measurement at all, as all he is interested in is how fast he is traveling in relationship to light transversing the same media as himself. But he is doomed to failure, as surely you must see. Time = movement = distance, since there is no such thing as time, it is actually distance (or space itself in between points he travels) which he is really causing to change, and to my knowledge, we have not yet constructed the device which can measure such, but a shortening of distance is obviously happening between him and his destination, those lines of ether which connect him to his destination are being warped in someway not understood, probably being bent back upon themselves like a horseshoe, and now he is not actually traveling the distance around the horseshoe, but rather, stepping across the two ends. Ether, the real "matter" of the universe, passes though our altered state (caused by the big bang ripping our "matter" from the real matter the universe is composed of and altering its properties into "our matter") like a gas though a screen composed of very large holes. At the speed of light this resistance of our bodies to the flow of ether though them fails to remain insignificant, what happens next, when our matter finally becomes a real resistance to ether and then goes further to "push" the ether in a flow not of its' own design, and in a way we have never seen done since the big bang, is unknown... .... but, I do think upon these things ... and others claim there is nothing to even be thought upon ... .... but then you already knew there was no way to answer your original question, at least not correctly ... John On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 22:49:03 -0400, Fred W4JLE wrote: John, picture if you will, an observer on earth watches a spacecraft pass between the moon and the sun at 99.9%C. The occupant of the space craft knows that the distance is about 93 million miles and clicks his stopwatch as he passes the moon, and again as he passes the sun. Given the time and distance, he computes his speed (measured with his slowed down time piece) and concludes he has exceeded C. Ergo there must be analogs of C. What say you? "John Smith" wrote in message news Fred: I don't believe that anyone has demonstrated faster than light transmission of an energy, wave or particle, where the effect is duplicable on demand, yet... I do believe it will be done in the future, hopefully the rather near future... but it will can only be done by people who are searching for way--the scoffers will never, ever be able to present us with a method to do so--on that you can bet heavily! John On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 20:42:58 -0400, Fred W4JLE wrote: Anyone who has ever watched Startrek knows the light speed limitation is incorrect. "Cecil Moore" wrote in message ... http://www.livescience.com/technolog...fastlight.html ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Cecil:
Quite factually, I agree with you, whether you were just kidding or not... John On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 22:47:09 -0500, Cecil Moore wrote: John Smith wrote: I don't believe that anyone has demonstrated faster than light transmission of an energy, wave or particle, where the effect is duplicable on demand, yet... Entangled particles may not violate the letter of the speed of light limit but they certainly violate the spirit of the limit. When man figures out how to change the entangled particle generation pattern from random to predictable, we will have faster than light communications. It's just a matter of time. :-) |
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John Smith wrote:
Quite factually, I agree with you, whether you were just kidding or not... I thought the multiple meanings of, "It's just a matter of time.", was humorous. Consider that the complete quantum state of a particle could be teleported to Mars and back to Earth without suffering the speed of light delay. This has already been demonstrated in the physics lab. Unfortunately, all quantum states must necessarily remain unknown until the complete quantum state is teleported back to Earth. -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Cecil:
"It boggles the mind.", is often an over-statement. Here it is not. It is no doubt many would question the sanity of men who even are so brazen that they would ponder such things--in other words, I think we are going to have to take a little flack over all this... It is why I pointed out princetons' egg project. You see how careful they are, the detail they even pay to picking the words they choose to even advance discussion of the matter, least they be branded "kooks." It will be exciting when we are even able to grasp the smallest detail of the functioning of all this... John On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 09:17:18 -0500, Cecil Moore wrote: John Smith wrote: Quite factually, I agree with you, whether you were just kidding or not... I thought the multiple meanings of, "It's just a matter of time.", was humorous. Consider that the complete quantum state of a particle could be teleported to Mars and back to Earth without suffering the speed of light delay. This has already been demonstrated in the physics lab. Unfortunately, all quantum states must necessarily remain unknown until the complete quantum state is teleported back to Earth. |
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Fred W4JLE wrote:
John, picture if you will, an observer on earth watches a spacecraft pass between the moon and the sun at 99.9%C. The occupant of the space craft knows that the distance is about 93 million miles and clicks his stopwatch as he passes the moon, and again as he passes the sun. Given the time and distance, he computes his speed (measured with his slowed down time piece) and concludes he has exceeded C. Ergo there must be analogs of C. What say you? Doesn't the Relativistic Gamma Function ALSO change distance? Everything is RELATIVE: except the absolute velocity of light. |
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Ah Ha! The identical twin particles and information sharing at
velocities faster than light. Hmmm .... But, it's been many years since my collage days. Maybe Physics has changed. Cecil Moore wrote: John Smith wrote: Quite factually, I agree with you, whether you were just kidding or not... I thought the multiple meanings of, "It's just a matter of time.", was humorous. Consider that the complete quantum state of a particle could be teleported to Mars and back to Earth without suffering the speed of light delay. This has already been demonstrated in the physics lab. Unfortunately, all quantum states must necessarily remain unknown until the complete quantum state is teleported back to Earth. |
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Ham op wrote:
Ah Ha! The identical twin particles and information sharing at velocities faster than light. Hmmm .... Duuuuhhhh, unknown quantum states cannot share information. Unfortunately, all quantum states must necessarily remain unknown until the complete quantum state is teleported back to Earth. -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |