Yuri:

[snip]
In Europe engineers get to use the title Ing. or Dipl.Ing. to indicate
that
they completed studies and are working on improving the tools for mankind.
In
Canada they use P.Eng., here in Hamerica they are the best kept secret,
underpaid, overworked, oversued. Just look at Nikola Tesla or ask any
student.
Who? What?

Yuri
:-(da ridiculed peng)-:
[snip]

So you are saying that Engineers are the Rodney Dangerfield of American
society!

Yep, I do believe that you are correct.

First manufacturing and then Engineering follows... it's getting worse
over here year by year with more and more "high tech" Engineering work
being done by our far eastern brothers and less here in the West. Each
year the next generation of Engineers I see graduating from our schools
seem to exhibit less and less knowledge and skill.

It happened with consumer electronics and ham radio equipment lo these
many years ago today it is software development and soon "all" Engineering
will be gone from the West.

Eventually there will be no more Engineers in the West who understand
technology, just a bunch of "technology operators" with great social
science and marketing skills operating the video games of life!

Only be a few of us old-time "antenna gurus" will recall when and how
the A/D and D/A converters got put on the outside of the antenna
connectors on our SDR's!!! And... all the rest will olny have Art
Uwnin explagnini to htem woh thigns wrk.

Not a pretty picture!

;-)

--
Peter K1PO
Indialantic By-the-Sea, FL

.... snip sinp

Not a pretty picture!

;-)

--
Peter K1PO
Indialantic By-the-Sea, FL


Right on Peter,
Maybe time for engineers to get into politics, replace lawyers and dumb
politicians in running the country. Get some sanity into governing because it
doesn't look too promising. Seeing dummycRATS spewing venom at president with
loud support from the "media", brainwashing illiterates just doesn't look so
good. I hope that country is being pushed to the extreme only to kick back and
shake the liberal commie establishment back to the caves.

73 Yuri

On 06 Dec 2003 21:02:50 GMT, oSaddam (Yuri Blanarovich)
wrote:

|... snip sinp
|
|Not a pretty picture!
|
|;-)
|
|--
|Peter K1PO
|Indialantic By-the-Sea, FL
|
|
|Right on Peter,
|Maybe time for engineers to get into politics, replace lawyers and dumb
|politicians in running the country. Get some sanity into governing because it
|doesn't look too promising. Seeing dummycRATS spewing venom at president with
|loud support from the "media", brainwashing illiterates just doesn't look so
|good. I hope that country is being pushed to the extreme only to kick back and
|shake the liberal commie establishment back to the caves.

We had an engineer for President. Look how well that worked out. One
term and we replaced him with a movie actor.

A former boss of mine at Hughes is now mayor of Tucson. I'm glad that
I don't live within the city limits where I would have had to vote in
the election last month. The difficult choice was between re-electing
him or another former mayor, who is a nitwit fuzzyheaded, left wing
professor of political science (what an oxymoron).

Another former Hughes engineer was a politician of sorts; he was
elected Chairman of the Navajo Indian Tribe. He's out of jail now,
thanks to a pardon from Clinton.

Sorry, I worked for 30+ years for Hughes and after a buyout, Raytheon;
companies mostly run by engineers. I can't think of any of the
"leaders" in those companies who I would want to have any more control
over my life than they did while I was working for them. They were
just as vain, backstabbing, mealy-mouthed, and win-at-all-costs as any
ambulance-chasing lawyer could ever be.

Wes

Wes, N7WS wrote:
"We had an engineer for President. Look how well that worked out. One
term and we replaced him with a movie actor.

Jimmy Carter in retirement, is negotiating peace accords around the
world. He is now in Geneva working with Palestineans and Israelis.

We`ve had other engineers starting with George Washington.

We`ve had Herbert Hoover, a,n engineer, who wrecked the economy, as
Ronald Reagan later did. Hoover, the engineer was replaced by FDR who
served 11 years and changed the world for the better forever. W. is
trying to undo the New Deal and in the process will likely wreck the
economy as Hoover did.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI

On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 08:38:48 -0600 (CST),
(Richard Harrison) wrote:

Wes, N7WS wrote:
"We had an engineer for President. Look how well that worked out. One
term and we replaced him with a movie actor.

Jimmy Carter in retirement, is negotiating peace accords around the
world. He is now in Geneva working with Palestineans and Israelis.

We`ve had other engineers starting with George Washington.

We`ve had Herbert Hoover, a,n engineer, who wrecked the economy, as
Ronald Reagan later did. Hoover, the engineer was replaced by FDR who
served 11 years and changed the world for the better forever. W. is
trying to undo the New Deal and in the process will likely wreck the
economy as Hoover did.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI

Hi All,

The statement "an engineer" is certainly inaccurate by my count too.
What about Davis, Grant, and Eisenhower?

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

A little off subject, but did you know Robert E. Lee was originally an
engineer in the Army? One of the reasons he was so successful is that he
helped design many of the forts he later captured... partly because he knew
their structural weaknesses.

Larry N8LP


"Richard Clark" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 08:38:48 -0600 (CST),
(Richard Harrison) wrote:

Wes, N7WS wrote:
"We had an engineer for President. Look how well that worked out. One
term and we replaced him with a movie actor.

Jimmy Carter in retirement, is negotiating peace accords around the
world. He is now in Geneva working with Palestineans and Israelis.

We`ve had other engineers starting with George Washington.

We`ve had Herbert Hoover, a,n engineer, who wrecked the economy, as
Ronald Reagan later did. Hoover, the engineer was replaced by FDR who
served 11 years and changed the world for the better forever. W. is
trying to undo the New Deal and in the process will likely wreck the
economy as Hoover did.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI

Hi All,

The statement "an engineer" is certainly inaccurate by my count too.
What about Davis, Grant, and Eisenhower?

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 23:36:48 GMT, "Larry"
wrote:

A little off subject, but did you know Robert E. Lee was originally an
engineer in the Army? One of the reasons he was so successful is that he
helped design many of the forts he later captured... partly because he knew
their structural weaknesses.

Larry N8LP


Hi Larry,

We are all off topic. Lee graduated from West Point as Honor man. He
was the first cadet to do so with 0 demerits (damned difficult to,
considering using the word damn hits you with one demerit). Lee was
also the Superintendent of West Point (same as Chancellor or head of a
University). The infrastructure of America (canals, railways,
bridges...) were all designed by West Pointers before the Civil War.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

"Larry" wrote in message igy.com...
A little off subject, but did you know Robert E. Lee was originally an
engineer in the Army? One of the reasons he was so successful is that he
helped design many of the forts he later captured... partly because he knew
their structural weaknesses.

Larry N8LP

Larry, so good to see you back.
What ever happenned with your article and ARRL?
It would be a real shameif your article doesn't reach
the ham community at large.
Best regards
Art




"Richard Clark" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 08:38:48 -0600 (CST),
(Richard Harrison) wrote:

Wes, N7WS wrote:
"We had an engineer for President. Look how well that worked out. One
term and we replaced him with a movie actor.

Jimmy Carter in retirement, is negotiating peace accords around the
world. He is now in Geneva working with Palestineans and Israelis.

We`ve had other engineers starting with George Washington.

We`ve had Herbert Hoover, a,n engineer, who wrecked the economy, as
Ronald Reagan later did. Hoover, the engineer was replaced by FDR who
served 11 years and changed the world for the better forever. W. is
trying to undo the New Deal and in the process will likely wreck the
economy as Hoover did.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI

Hi All,

The statement "an engineer" is certainly inaccurate by my count too.
What about Davis, Grant, and Eisenhower?

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 19:21:56 GMT, Richard Clark
wrote:

|On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 08:38:48 -0600 (CST),
|(Richard Harrison) wrote:
|
|Wes, N7WS wrote:
|"We had an engineer for President. Look how well that worked out. One
|term and we replaced him with a movie actor.
|
|Jimmy Carter in retirement, is negotiating peace accords around the
|world. He is now in Geneva working with Palestineans and Israelis.
|
|We`ve had other engineers starting with George Washington.
|
|We`ve had Herbert Hoover, a,n engineer, who wrecked the economy, as
|Ronald Reagan later did. Hoover, the engineer was replaced by FDR who
|served 11 years and changed the world for the better forever. W. is
|trying to undo the New Deal and in the process will likely wreck the
|economy as Hoover did.
|
|Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI
|
|Hi All,
|
|The statement "an engineer" is certainly inaccurate by my count too.
|What about Davis, Grant, and Eisenhower?

I was thinking of people that I had a chance to vote for. But, what
about them? If we're going to get picky.

Davis wasn't POTUS.

Washington was not an engineer in the usually accepted sense of the
word.

If attending West Point makes one an engineer, then Grant and Ike were
engineers. Otherwise...

Grant worked in his father's leather shop, and was a failed farmer and
financier. (Anheuser Busch owns the farm now. I was there a couple of
months ago.)

Ike was a jock, who went to West Point intending to play ball, not to
get an engineering degree. (I was at his library, tomb, etc. a couple
of months ago too.)

If we're looking for qualifications for greatness, maybe "self-taught"
should be more important than "Harvard-educated lawyer" or "West
Point-educated engineer." Washington and Lincoln top my list. (I
spent some time with Abe this summer too)

On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 17:36:57 -0700, Wes Stewart
wrote:
|Hi All,
|
|The statement "an engineer" is certainly inaccurate by my count too.
|What about Davis, Grant, and Eisenhower?

I was thinking of people that I had a chance to vote for. But, what
about them? If we're going to get picky.

You choose to limit the population by who you could've voted for is
not?

Davis wasn't POTUS.

He sure wasn't POTUSSR.


Washington was not an engineer in the usually accepted sense of the
word.

A technically trained user of instrumentation for the purpose of
measuring and generating specifications is not an engineer? We are
not talking about Alchemy or Astrology here. Getting picky.

If attending West Point makes one an engineer, then Grant and Ike were
engineers. Otherwise...

Otherwise? ALL graduates of West Point are engineers. West Point is
the 4th overall rated Engineering school in America. It was the ONLY
Engineering school in America for decades.


Grant worked in his father's leather shop, and was a failed farmer and
financier. (Anheuser Busch owns the farm now. I was there a couple of
months ago.)

I have degrees in the Liberal Arts and have made a career in
Engineering. I have failed in many things. I don't suppose you want
to vote for me, but then I'm not running.

Ike was a jock, who went to West Point intending to play ball, not to
get an engineering degree. (I was at his library, tomb, etc. a couple
of months ago too.)

Begs the results, he graduated with an Engineering degree.

If we're looking for qualifications for greatness, maybe "self-taught"
should be more important than "Harvard-educated lawyer" or "West
Point-educated engineer." Washington and Lincoln top my list. (I
spent some time with Abe this summer too)

This, too, is picky. I can't say that I have any favorite president,
especially after having put my life on the line to obey their orders.
Those several, I'm sure, considered themselves great presidents.

The point is, there is nothing inherently distinctive about being an
Engineer, and being President, and the combination being great or bad.

There is nothing distinctive about a president wearing a flight-suit
for an afternoon - especially when 77% of the troops would vote for
someone else ("The Army Times" Poll, Oct 2003).

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC