Wes, N7WS wrote:
"We had an engineer for President. Look how well that worked out. One
term and we replaced him with a movie actor.

Jimmy Carter in retirement, is negotiating peace accords around the
world. He is now in Geneva working with Palestineans and Israelis.

We`ve had other engineers starting with George Washington.

We`ve had Herbert Hoover, a,n engineer, who wrecked the economy, as
Ronald Reagan later did. Hoover, the engineer was replaced by FDR who
served 11 years and changed the world for the better forever. W. is
trying to undo the New Deal and in the process will likely wreck the
economy as Hoover did.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI

Mac:

[snip]
"J. McLaughlin" wrote in message
...
Dear Peter:
I would have sent this to you privately, but you do not provide a
valid E-mail address.
[snip]

The Internet "worms" nearly *killed* my computer communications capability
this past year, no thanks to the younger generation of unethical "hackers"
and
brought to everyone courtesy of the "world's richest man", and so these
days...

If you want to email me direct you must send via the arrl dot net relay.

:-)

[snip]
Well done on presenting the sequence of understanding and
emphasizing the role of mathematics.
[snip]

Thanks!

As you no doubt appreciate, it pays to know a little history only to
avoid repeating it.

There is very little ambiguity equivocationn or cause for argument when
using the universal albeit sometimes cryptic language of mathematics.

The elementary mathematical skills which Art often eschews are neither
difficult nor expensive to acquire and definitely not difficult to carry
around.

Such skills do however require some little dedication to study...

just as the ham radio license *used to* require. :-)

Art's "cry baby" attitude about his lack of such skills does nothing to help
either himself or the other NG participants.

"Mathematics - just do it" would be a good motto for Art to follow perhaps
replacing his continual complaints regarding his lack of ability and
qualifications.
Art's "cry baby" comments only appear boorish and become very tiresome to
NG participants.

[snip]
In "Hamerica" some real Engineers are P.E.s. It is not just for
Canadians.
[snip]

Well Mac as you well know, MI is not far from Canada sharing both
a riverside a lakeside and common weather. What's your point?

:-)

[snip]
73 Mac N8TT
--
J. Mc Laughlin - Michigan USA
[snip]

Speaking of Michigan, my wife and I attended a party at our next door
neighbour's home here last week. MI snowbirds, Jo and Ivan had just
arrived here in FL from MI to stay over the season here in their winter
home on our "tropical island".

Me? Even though an ex-Canadian, I like it here on the island all year long.

Mac. Take care and enjoy the Holiday Season up North.

--
Peter K1PO
Indialantic By-the-Sea, FL

On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 08:38:48 -0600 (CST),
(Richard Harrison) wrote:

Wes, N7WS wrote:
"We had an engineer for President. Look how well that worked out. One
term and we replaced him with a movie actor.

Jimmy Carter in retirement, is negotiating peace accords around the
world. He is now in Geneva working with Palestineans and Israelis.

We`ve had other engineers starting with George Washington.

We`ve had Herbert Hoover, a,n engineer, who wrecked the economy, as
Ronald Reagan later did. Hoover, the engineer was replaced by FDR who
served 11 years and changed the world for the better forever. W. is
trying to undo the New Deal and in the process will likely wreck the
economy as Hoover did.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI

Hi All,

The statement "an engineer" is certainly inaccurate by my count too.
What about Davis, Grant, and Eisenhower?

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 16:30:09 GMT, "Peter O. Brackett"
wrote:
The Internet "worms" nearly *killed* my computer communications capability
this past year, no thanks to the younger generation of unethical "hackers"
and brought to everyone courtesy of the "world's richest man", and so these
days...

If you want to email me direct you must send via the arrl dot net relay.

Hi Peter,

Security is your responsibility unless you intend to vote Fascist in
the next election. Blaming others is simple, and leaving it up to
arrl dot net to take the spam flak is moral equivocation.

Why don't you ask them how they cope where you stumble?

OR

Simply visit:
http://grc.com/default.htm

My address has been exposed to every robot for a decade. Agent kills
the porn quicker that this group downloads to my reader. I've tried
GB's of free/shareware and I haven't suffered a virus since they came
hidden the floppy's boot sector in the late 80's.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Peter O. Brackett wrote:
If you want to email me direct you must send via the arrl dot net relay.

For anyone who is a member of the IEEE, their forwarding service
is very secure.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp



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Cec:

[snip]
"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
...
Peter O. Brackett wrote:
If you want to email me direct you must send via the arrl dot net relay.

For anyone who is a member of the IEEE, their forwarding service
is very secure.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp
[snip]

I too use the IEEE relay service, but on different NG's from this one.

--
Peter K1PO
k1po at arrl dot net
peter dot brackett at ieee dot org
:-)

"Peter O. Brackett" wrote in message link.net...
Mac:

[snip]
"J. McLaughlin" wrote in message
...
Dear Peter:
I would have sent this to you privately, but you do not provide a
valid E-mail address.
[snip]

The Internet "worms" nearly *killed* my computer communications capability
this past year, no thanks to the younger generation of unethical "hackers"
and
brought to everyone courtesy of the "world's richest man", and so these
days...

If you want to email me direct you must send via the arrl dot net relay.

:-)

[snip]
Well done on presenting the sequence of understanding and
emphasizing the role of mathematics.
[snip]

Thanks!

As you no doubt appreciate, it pays to know a little history only to
avoid repeating it.

There is very little ambiguity equivocationn or cause for argument when
using the universal albeit sometimes cryptic language of mathematics.

The elementary mathematical skills which Art often eschews are neither
difficult nor expensive to acquire and definitely not difficult to carry
around.

Such skills do however require some little dedication to study...

just as the ham radio license *used to* require. :-)

Art's "cry baby" attitude about his lack of such skills does nothing to help
either himself or the other NG participants.

"Mathematics - just do it" would be a good motto for Art to follow perhaps
replacing his continual complaints regarding his lack of ability and
qualifications.
Art's "cry baby" comments only appear boorish and become very tiresome to
NG participants.

Well Peter now you are being stupid and making up stories.
Maybe I can expect the same tactics that you put on Chip when he made
claims on antennas which you didn't understand
But I am ready. You stated lack of skills on my part well I have
enough of those skills that you are talking about. I made the claim of
an antenna that uses all those skills and you stated a good engineer
knows when to discard his model. Well Peter, if you were an engineer
you would not discard it until you made a working model and compared
it to theory ( using all those mathematical skills that you bandy
about or as I say talking the talk). I also gave you the theoretical
background of the antenna and invited you to point out the fallacies
, mathematical ofcourse, and all you still do is 'talk the talk' with
no show.
Well Peter, if that the attitude you need to take me on with then be
my guest,
even with the likes of the Doctor and the Bum holding your coat or
throwing snide remarks is not enough to push me off the newsgroup like
you did with Chip.
So go ahead and be my guest and flaunt your mathematical skills to
show how I and my antenna is a fake and my skills are lacking. I would
love it for you to make a stand on that subject so everybody can see
who you are and what you are
when forced to 'walk the walk'. If I haven't the qualifications in
any subject I carefully state so especially when talking on this
newsgroup,
I am no way interested in infering that I am an expert where I am not,
there are enough doing that already, but with respect to my antenna
work I stand by it. I am willing to walk the walk but you Peter
obviously feel more comfortable in just talking or making acrid
remarks.

So I am staying here Peter, and you can have at it and show your true
colours
Can I now expect for you to sue me now since you are well practiced at
that?

Art Unwin..... XG



[snip]
In "Hamerica" some real Engineers are P.E.s. It is not just for
Canadians.
[snip]

Well Mac as you well know, MI is not far from Canada sharing both
a riverside a lakeside and common weather. What's your point?

:-)

[snip]
73 Mac N8TT
--
J. Mc Laughlin - Michigan USA
[snip]

Speaking of Michigan, my wife and I attended a party at our next door
neighbour's home here last week. MI snowbirds, Jo and Ivan had just
arrived here in FL from MI to stay over the season here in their winter
home on our "tropical island".

Me? Even though an ex-Canadian, I like it here on the island all year long.

Mac. Take care and enjoy the Holiday Season up North.

A little off subject, but did you know Robert E. Lee was originally an
engineer in the Army? One of the reasons he was so successful is that he
helped design many of the forts he later captured... partly because he knew
their structural weaknesses.

Larry N8LP


"Richard Clark" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 08:38:48 -0600 (CST),
(Richard Harrison) wrote:

Wes, N7WS wrote:
"We had an engineer for President. Look how well that worked out. One
term and we replaced him with a movie actor.

Jimmy Carter in retirement, is negotiating peace accords around the
world. He is now in Geneva working with Palestineans and Israelis.

We`ve had other engineers starting with George Washington.

We`ve had Herbert Hoover, a,n engineer, who wrecked the economy, as
Ronald Reagan later did. Hoover, the engineer was replaced by FDR who
served 11 years and changed the world for the better forever. W. is
trying to undo the New Deal and in the process will likely wreck the
economy as Hoover did.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI

Hi All,

The statement "an engineer" is certainly inaccurate by my count too.
What about Davis, Grant, and Eisenhower?

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Peter O. Brackett wrote:
I too use the IEEE relay service, but on different NG's from this one.

The IEEE relay service filters for viruses and worms. I don't know for
sure but I don't think the ARRL relay service performs that function.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp



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On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 19:21:56 GMT, Richard Clark
wrote:

|On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 08:38:48 -0600 (CST),
|(Richard Harrison) wrote:
|
|Wes, N7WS wrote:
|"We had an engineer for President. Look how well that worked out. One
|term and we replaced him with a movie actor.
|
|Jimmy Carter in retirement, is negotiating peace accords around the
|world. He is now in Geneva working with Palestineans and Israelis.
|
|We`ve had other engineers starting with George Washington.
|
|We`ve had Herbert Hoover, a,n engineer, who wrecked the economy, as
|Ronald Reagan later did. Hoover, the engineer was replaced by FDR who
|served 11 years and changed the world for the better forever. W. is
|trying to undo the New Deal and in the process will likely wreck the
|economy as Hoover did.
|
|Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI
|
|Hi All,
|
|The statement "an engineer" is certainly inaccurate by my count too.
|What about Davis, Grant, and Eisenhower?

I was thinking of people that I had a chance to vote for. But, what
about them? If we're going to get picky.

Davis wasn't POTUS.

Washington was not an engineer in the usually accepted sense of the
word.

If attending West Point makes one an engineer, then Grant and Ike were
engineers. Otherwise...

Grant worked in his father's leather shop, and was a failed farmer and
financier. (Anheuser Busch owns the farm now. I was there a couple of
months ago.)

Ike was a jock, who went to West Point intending to play ball, not to
get an engineering degree. (I was at his library, tomb, etc. a couple
of months ago too.)

If we're looking for qualifications for greatness, maybe "self-taught"
should be more important than "Harvard-educated lawyer" or "West
Point-educated engineer." Washington and Lincoln top my list. (I
spent some time with Abe this summer too)