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Indeed, Ian. Just so.
It's amazing to me that this thread has gone on for so many postings. (And here I am contributing to it! ;-) But I go back to the very first posting in the thread, where Reg said it all. Well, maybe not QUITE all, but close. I'd invite folk to go back and look at that posting. I believe Reg noted that a real physical (single-layer solenoid) coil has: inductance, capacitance (with a radial electric field), wire resistance and radiation resistance. One additional item I'd like to note is turn-to-turn capacitance; Reg may have been thinking of that one too, but I didn't get it explicitly from his posting. Measuring currents doesn't present too much of a challenge if one is careful about it, but measuring voltage is an entirely different matter, since it's in the presence of a time-varying magnetic field if there is any current in the coil. But it is possible to measure the electric field and the magnetic field if one wishes. I have not been following this thread very closely, because I really do NOT expect "the answer" to be any different than what, as Reg noted in that initial posting, is predicted by an ACCURATE model. People who designed travelling wave tubes understood very well the properties of a helix of wire with respect to propagating a wave. The software I've been using for years now to predict single-layer solenoid coil behaviour takes into account all the interesting effects, and will predict quite accurately the first parallel resonance and the first series resonance, the Q, the inductance, and fundamental transmission line characteristics below resonance. I have other resources that let me predict the change in behaviour when a coil is inside a shield. I've never been surprised by any of the results: taken to correct limits, they all join up, as Ian notes, with conventional circuit theory. In fact, even the complex models match conventional circuit theory, just with more elements in the model. I do note that one must be careful about exactly what conventional circuit theory actually says. For example, many people seem to think that Kirchoff's Voltage Law is something like, "voltages around a loop add up to zero." That is an abbreviated statement of the law, and is in general not correct. Cheers, Tom |
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