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Old May 3rd 06, 06:47 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.antenna
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SQRT[Z*Y] = SQRT [[Z11 + jZ12]*[Y11 + jY12]] = Z11*Y11 - Z12*Y12
+jZ12*Y11 +jY12*Z11 [I think I got all the terms correct.]

So, the attenuation constant is still a complex number and it is
dimensionless.

In the transmission line equations the attenuation constant is
multiplied by line length yielding an expression in Nepers
[dimensionless] and radians [dimensionless].
Cecil Moore wrote:

Dave wrote:

Alpha and Beta got transformed into ? and j?. Gamma also got
transformed into ?.



Now it makes more sense. :-) What is scarey is that some
browsers may display Greek characters correctly and some
may not.

What kind of bait are you throwing out about SQRT[Z*Y] ?



Z is the distributed series impedance and Y is the distributed
shunt admittance. The equation for the propagation constant
is gamma = alpha + j*beta = SQRT(Z*Y). Doesn't multiplying
an impedance by an admittance result in a dimensionless
quantity?


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Dave wrote:
So, the attenuation constant is still a complex number and it is
dimensionless.


The attenuation constant is a real number, not a complex number.
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My error ... I meant propagation constant.

Cecil Moore wrote:

Dave wrote:

So, the attenuation constant is still a complex number and it is
dimensionless.



The attenuation constant is a real number, not a complex number.


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Old May 3rd 06, 07:38 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.antenna
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Presumably you meant "propagation constant" (which is anything but
constant for real lines). In any event it is most certainly is not
dimensionless. If it were and you multiplied it by a length, your
result would have units of length. Oh, and I think you left the sqrt
off the right side of the equation. I guess Z11 is resistance per unit
length, Z22 is the radian frequency times the inductance per unit
length, etc?? Sigh.

Cheers,
Tom

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