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Old June 10th 06, 08:48 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.shortwave
Dave
 
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Default I bought a large capacitance hat for my vertical, but the antennastill gets wet when it rains.

Methinks your leg was being pulled.

The SWR with the apostrophe s is a grammatical error. The apostrophe s indicates
that the SWR is possessive, that the SWR owns something; or, that the SWR is
doing something. The apostrophe s is not plural!!

The plural, multiple, SWR is denoted SWRs.

New Ham wrote:

In article .com, wrote:

New Ham wrote:


What good's a hat if it don't keep the antenna dry? I think I'll keep it
though, for some odd reason my SWR's are better.


What are SWR's? Does your antenna have multiple standing wave ratios?
Were they sick? Did they have MPD? Do you SWR's look in the mirror each
morning and say "well, who are we going to be today?"

Does the standing wave ratio own something called "are better"?

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Old June 10th 06, 10:56 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.shortwave
RHF
 
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Dave wrote:
Methinks your leg was being pulled.


"The SWR with the apostrophe s is a grammatical error.
The apostrophe s indicates that the SWR is possessive,
that the SWR owns something; or, that the SWR is
doing something. The apostrophe s is not plural!!

The plural, multiple, SWR is denoted SWRs."

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

How To - Use an Apostrophe :
http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=119095
PLURALS - When you add an 's' to make a plural,
it NEVER takes an apostrophe.
Never. There are no exceptions.
The same is True for Plurals of Abbreviations
- it is A.T.M.s, not A.T.M.'s
- itr is G.P.s not G.P.'s.
NOTE - These Rules are those which Apply in Modern British English
(as taught in High Schools and Universities throughout the
Commonwealth).

FWIW - The King's English which is often NOT Spoken or Written by
Americans.

Mind Your Apostrophes
http://betweenborders.com/wordsmithi...r-apostrophes/
http://www.soyouwanna.com/site/syws/...wrerrors3.html

Punctuation and Capitalization: Using the Apostrophe
http://rwc.hunter.cuny.edu/reading-w.../apostrop.html
http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handou...r/g_apost.html
http://www.wheaton.edu/learnres/writ...apostrophe.htm
http://depts.gallaudet.edu/englishwo...ar/using-s.htm
http://projects.uwc.utexas.edu/handouts/?q=node/11
http://www.asu.edu/english/englished...hes_pp_5-6.pdf

often a mangler and tangler of : Words, Meanings,
Capitalization and Punctuation ~ RHF
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Old June 11th 06, 12:54 AM posted to rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.shortwave
Cecil Moore
 
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Dave wrote:
Methinks your leg was being pulled.

The SWR with the apostrophe s is a grammatical error. The apostrophe s
indicates that the SWR is possessive, that the SWR owns something; or,
that the SWR is doing something. The apostrophe s is not plural!!


On the contrary, the plural of the letter A is A's. The plural
of the number 3 is 3's. It's not too much of a stretch to assume
that the plural of SWR is SWR's.

From Webster's: "apostrophe - a make used to indicate ... the
plural of letters or figures."
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73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp
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Old June 11th 06, 05:11 AM posted to rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.shortwave
Richard Crowley
 
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"Cecil Moore" wrote ...
Dave wrote:
Methinks your leg was being pulled.

The SWR with the apostrophe s is a grammatical error. The apostrophe
s indicates that the SWR is possessive, that the SWR owns something;
or, that the SWR is doing something. The apostrophe s is not plural!!


On the contrary, the plural of the letter A is A's. The plural
of the number 3 is 3's. It's not too much of a stretch to assume
that the plural of SWR is SWR's.

From Webster's: "apostrophe - a make used to indicate ... the
plural of letters or figures."


To take the argument well into absurdity (as if it
needed any help), we can discuss whether your
Webster's is descriptive or prescriptive.

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Old June 11th 06, 07:05 AM posted to rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.shortwave
gravity
 
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"Not Lloyd" wrote in message
...

Well, Webster shows more than one error, at least insofar as formal

English
goes. What Webster depicts is the "dumbing down" of what our kids are

being
taught today.
Do what you wish, but those who are better educated will continue to use

the
apostrophe to denote the possessive rather than the plural.



more importantly, you didn't post with proper bracketed attributions
(Cecil's comments in particular). so go somewhere else with your grammar
Nazi crap, or i'll start with my proper netiquette rantings.

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Old June 11th 06, 07:57 AM posted to rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.shortwave
Not Lloyd
 
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"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
. com...
Dave wrote:
Methinks your leg was being pulled.

The SWR with the apostrophe s is a grammatical error. The apostrophe s
indicates that the SWR is possessive, that the SWR owns something; or,
that the SWR is doing something. The apostrophe s is not plural!!


On the contrary, the plural of the letter A is A's. The plural
of the number 3 is 3's. It's not too much of a stretch to assume
that the plural of SWR is SWR's.

From Webster's: "apostrophe - a make used to indicate ... the
plural of letters or figures."
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

Well, Webster shows more than one error, at least insofar as formal English
goes. What Webster depicts is the "dumbing down" of what our kids are being
taught today.
Do what you wish, but those who are better educated will continue to use the
apostrophe to denote the possessive rather than the plural.


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Old June 11th 06, 03:30 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.shortwave
Cecil Moore
 
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Richard Crowley wrote:
"Cecil Moore" wrote ...
From Webster's: "apostrophe - a make used to indicate ... the
plural of letters or figures."


To take the argument well into absurdity (as if it
needed any help), we can discuss whether your
Webster's is descriptive or prescriptive.


That definition agrees with what I learned in English
class 50+ years ago. The plural of a number uses an
apostrophe. So 73's would indeed be the plural of 73
as in "many best regards". It's no stretch to assume
that the plural of SWR would be SWR's.

Incidentally, I have an obvious typo in the definition
that the spell-checker didn't catch. Should have been:

"apostrophe - a mark used to indicate ... the plural of
letters or figures."

I have a "Webster's New Universal Unabridged Dictionary"
which contains a "Basic Manual of Style" in the back.
Here's what it says for "Apostrophe: ... 3. To form the
plurals of letters or figures add an apostrophe and an s."
That's seems to be prescriptive.
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73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp
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Old June 11th 06, 03:49 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.shortwave
Cecil Moore
 
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Not Lloyd wrote:
Do what you wish, but those who are better educated will continue to use the
apostrophe to denote the possessive rather than the plural.


Would a "Basic Manual of Style" change your mind?

I have a "Webster's New Universal Unabridged Dictionary"
which contains a "Basic Manual of Style" in the back.
Here's what it says for "Apostrophe: 1. ... 2. ... 3. To
form the plurals of letters or figures add an apostrophe
and an s. ..."

It does say that a few people object to number 3. As in
many other areas of the English language, the context of
the use of the apostrophe determines its function:

1. to replace missing letters,
2. possessive,
3. plurals of letters or numbers.

P.S. The better educated posters avoid violating the
attribution rules for newsgroups.
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73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp
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Old June 11th 06, 04:33 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.shortwave
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Default I bought a large capacitance hat for my vertical, but the antennastill gets wet when it rains.

Richard Crowley wrote:
"Cecil Moore" wrote ...

Dave wrote:

Methinks your leg was being pulled.

The SWR with the apostrophe s is a grammatical error. The apostrophe
s indicates that the SWR is possessive, that the SWR owns something;
or, that the SWR is doing something. The apostrophe s is not plural!!



On the contrary, the plural of the letter A is A's. The plural
of the number 3 is 3's. It's not too much of a stretch to assume
that the plural of SWR is SWR's.

From Webster's: "apostrophe - a make used to indicate ... the
plural of letters or figures."



To take the argument well into absurdity (as if it
needed any help), we can discuss whether your
Webster's is descriptive or prescriptive.

good one
If I can ever help in increasing the absurdity of these newsgroups, I am
glad to do so.

BTW, all dictionaries are descriptive.
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Old June 11th 06, 05:01 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.shortwave
Cecil Moore
 
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jawod wrote:
BTW, all dictionaries are descriptive.


But all Basic Manuals of Style are prescriptive.
Please see my other posting.
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