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Dear Roy and the group:
As you know, my other job is that of a patent attorney. It is time to comment. We are not concerned with patents. It is common to overlap patent protection of something useful with copyright protection of an expression. This is more common when software is involved because a patent might involve software and Congress has made it clear that software is amiable of copyright protection. As you have observed, a copyright notice is no longer required. However, I always tell clients to provide such a notice. Judges, most reasonably, may wonder why a notice was not provided when to do so costs (in most cases) nothing and the absence of a notice can cause mischief. The requirement not to require notices was due to pressure from European interests. If one thinks one will need to defend one's copyright, it is beneficial to register the copyright with the Copyright Office (part of the Library of Congress) - a simple process. Let us turn to what copyright is: it is the right to prevent the making of copies of a work by others. One who holds a copyright to a work has the right to control copies of that work. Congress and the courts have carved out some exceptions. We have seen one used here where one copies small sections of a copyrighted book or paper. Researchers and universities are given some narrow rights to copy the works of others. In a law suit, an important aspect is the degree that someone's unauthorized copying has actually injured the copyright owner. Absent a specific contract to the contrary, one who legally purchases a copyrighted work may sell it, destroy it, read it if it can be read, and run it on a computer if it is software. Such a lawful copy may be used to facilitate the crafting of another work (such as using WordPerfect to write a letter) or may be used to facilitate the fabrication of useful articles (such as the use of EZNEC to design an antenna that is improved in some way). Let us keep patent protection and copyright protection in their separate cages. To the issue of the French radio amateur who started this long string (and with a nod to the opinion of the experienced radio amateur in the UK): optimization of more than simple antennas still requires the intersession of a thoughtful and experienced human. My experience has been that the human's main contribution relates to crafting an adaptive notion of what optimum is, for the subject antenna. In other words: knowing when further playing is not appropriate. 73, Mac N8TT -- J. Mc Laughlin; Michigan U.S.A. Home: "Roy Lewallen" wrote in message ... Tom Ring wrote: That's all there is in either version of YO that contains the "copyright" in any form, case insensitive. I am ignoring the companion programs. Interestingly, the .EXE files do not include a copyright notice internal to the program, at least in plain text. The only thing that shows when running the program (v6.x) is "Copyright 1995 by Brian Beezley, K6STI All Rights Reserved" at the top line on the files menu. I am writing the last from memory since it's a DOS program, so I might not have it perfect. Under current U.S. law, a copyright notice isn't required in order to secure a copyright; the copyright automatically exists as soon as the work is created. Adding a copyright notice does bring some advantages if a lawsuit is filed, however. Disclaimer: I'm not an attorney. Roy Lewallen, W7EL |
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Tom Ring wrote:
hihi, CW for laughter. hii hii, the beginning of the Texas Aggie war hymn. "Hullabaloo, Caneck! Caneck! Hullabaloo, Caneck! Caneck!" -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp |
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On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 23:12:20 -0400, "J. Mc Laughlin"
wrote: Absent a specific contract to the contrary, one who legally purchases a copyrighted work may sell it, destroy it, read it if it can be read, and run it on a computer if it is software. Such a lawful copy may be used to facilitate the crafting of another work (such as using WordPerfect to write a letter) or may be used to facilitate the fabrication of useful articles (such as the use of EZNEC to design an antenna that is improved in some way). Mac, I am not sure of you meaning of a "specific contract". It is often the case that we acquire software (being a copyright work) under a licence that is an agreement between the licensor and the licensee. The agreement may be in the form of a general license, for instance an end user licence that the user is deemed to have accepted in using the software, or it could be in the form of a specific formal agreement executed by the parties. That agreement may limit the licensee's rights, including the purpose for which software is used. I give an example, the BestOne mainframe performance evaluation suite licence limited it use to execution a specific computer and explicitly only for analysis of performance data collected from that computer. Isn't the license agreement like any contract in that the parties can agree to anything lawful. It seems to me that one has to read the relevant licence agreement to form a view on what is or isn't permitted by the licence in addition to any rights under copyright statutes. Owen -- |
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Tom Ring wrote:
And YO could beat K1FO by only hudredths of a dB. If he'd had more CPU power to do more runs per day... YO7 includes a model of K1FO's 40 element 70 cm Yagi. In YO7, it measures: Gain 20.93 F/R 24.01 Z 21.8 + j5.4 SWR 1.0 Gain FOM -0.4 (versus theoretical limit for a given boom length) In 10k iterations (minutes on a 250 MHz Pentium II), YO7 produced: 21.24 19.54 20.9 + j46.1 1.0 0.0 (I stopped it when it reached this) You can tweak for Gain, F/R, etc depending on how you weight performance tradeoffs. Looking at the current distribution, it appears fewer elements might result in a better design. YO7 does not optimize for number of elements but it doesn't take much effort to remove elements and see what happens on the same boom length. Regarding K1FO's design using Basic on a PDP11, here's Brian's description: ************************************************** ********************************* YO includes an automatic optimizer that can maximize forward gain and input resistance, and minimize backlobes, sidelobes, and SWR. The optimizer iteratively adjusts element lengths and spacings to optimize performance objectives you specify using parameter tradeoffs you decide. It can perform both local and global optimization. YO is calibrated to NEC, the reference-accuracy Numerical Electromagnetics Code from the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory. YO and NEC results normally differ by less than 0.05 dB in forward gain, a dB or two in F/B, and a couple ohms in input impedance. You can invoke NEC from within YO to verify results. YO's analysis and graphics engines use assembly language with pipelined floating-point code optimized for Pentium processors. ************************************************** ********************************** The entire yo.exe program is only 82k (and DSP Blaster is only 16k). The major change from YO6 to YO7 was the addition of global optimization, so it will not get stalled on local maxima. The other thing I must give Brian credit for is his excellent command of English. I have *never* seen a spelling or grammatical error in any of his documentation, which is very unusual these days. 73, Bill W4ZV |
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Richard Clark wrote:
SNIPPED Franklin was right about these matters. As for automated optimization, NASA spent huge bucks on this stuff to design twisted paper clips to replace Walt's work of 30 years ago. I can well bet that license runs pages. If the testimonials to Beezley are any indicator, the utility of the software is in inverse proportion to the length of its license. 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC If I remember the anecdote: A patent guarantees you the right to sue. |
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If I remember the anecdote: A patent guarantees you the right to
sue. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Is that why lawyers are all in favor of patents? |
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Dear Reg:
Patents are one of the things that makes a creative people great. In the Republic's Constitution patents and copyright are listed. Citizens have thereby a means to increase their wealth and provide employment while having available the power of the courts to protect their rights. Not all lawyers are in favor of patents. A few, before they are cashiered, are against anything that inconveniences their clients, including laws. At the other extreme, a few lawyers serving as judges have expressed disgust at the patent system, supposedly because it rewards the creative. Please look for some Midwestern wine. It may assist you in recovering the common sense seen in your early work. Warm regards, Mac N8TT -- J. Mc Laughlin; Michigan U.S.A. Home: "Reg Edwards" wrote - Is that why lawyers are all in favor of patents? |
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Richard Clark wrote: On 11 Jul 2006 13:45:49 -0700, wrote: Ben AD7GD wrote: On 2006-07-11, wrote: Unfortunately K6STI no longer markets his software to hams (due to software piracy issues). Hopefully you can find someone with a copy who can optimize your initial results. Careful, you're pegging my irony meter. Why? The documentation says: *********************************************** ************************* This software is copyrighted. It has been provided to you on the condition that you will not sell, rent, lend, give away, or otherwise transfer the software to others. *********************************************** ************************* As I read it, there is no problem if I use it to optimize a model for someone else. I'm NOT volunteering to do that however. Hi Bill, Strange as it may seem, yes you would be in violation. Copyright is the author's total monopoly to insure his revenue from his creation. If you disrupt that revenue flow you are breaking the law. You said it yourself, he doesn't market to amateurs - rather professionals who will pay for the LICENSE to use it professionally. If they choose to do someone a favor, and drop their fee, that is their hit, not his. He granted them the right, by LICENSE and at a cost, to lose money if they wish. Hi Richard, 1. I paid for the non-professional version of K6STI's software while he WAS selling to amateurs. If you read his agreement carefully, it only prohibits transfer of the software itself. 2. I am not sure Brian markets YO to professionals any longer. There was apparently one well-known antenna manufacturer who bought his non-professional version and used it to design commercial antennas. I understand that this contributed to Brian's decision to exit the amateur business, but the main reason was someone in Europe hacked his RITTY program and posted it publicly. I don't get it. A professional uses a piece of software designed for non-professionals to design antennas, so the writer of the software stops offering the software to the non-professionals? Seems backwards. 3. If I were to do a gratis optimization for someone today, that would not violate the original license (i.e. transfer of the software itself) and Brian's revenue flow is not being broken since he no longer has any revenue flow from it. If a professional consultant were involved, they would have to show they sustained actual damages (i.e. lost business) which might be difficult to prove (not to mention the time and cost of doing so). You are correct of course, but I don't understand the basic premise. Let us use say, Mathcad instead of YO. Mathcad sells it's software with the full knowledge that people are going to do things with it. Like design things, and make money with them - or research dollars. It is exactly what the program is designed to do. Mathcad's authors do not own or have copyright to those things designed with it. If the gentleman gets angry because people use his software, that is his right, but it seems odd. Hence the irony meter being pegged. No, that's the too-much-time-on-their-hands troll meter pegging. :-) It's a shame the piracy issue drove K6STI from the ham business. He is truly a genius and I love his AO, YO and DSP Blaster programs. I believe he's now doing something in the audiophile business...their gain and our loss. Audiophiles!!!!! OMG! Did ya ever see those rocks for audiophiles that are supposed to make their sound systems sound better?.... or http://www.musicdirect.com/products/...?sku=ABEDDBEAM and: http://www.musicdirect.com/products/...u=AAILUMINATOR and of course: http://www.musicdirect.com/products/...asp?sku=ACARCD rant off Oh well, as you can see, its an easier group to please.... Sorry for taking this OT thread even further OT... - 73 de Mike KB3EIA |
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