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On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 15:33:20 -0700, Jim Kelley
wrote:

Isn't the elimination of the rights of property owners more of a
Socialist ideal?

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Maybe. Socialism has to do with ownership, fascism has to do with
control. Obviously there can be some overlap.

A quote from dictionary.com:

"Fascism:

A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a
dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the
opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of
belligerent nationalism and racism."

Sounds like a Homeowners Association to me. :-)

Bill, W6WRT

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On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:33:44 -0700, Bill Turner
wrote:

"Fascism:

A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a
dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the
opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of
belligerent nationalism and racism."

Sounds like a Homeowners Association to me. :-)

Hi Bill,

Do they subscribe to "signing statements?"

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

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On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 18:45:06 -0700, Richard Clark
wrote:

Hi Bill,

Do they subscribe to "signing statements?"

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

------------ REPLY SEPARATOR ------------

Who is "they" and what is a "signing statement"?

Bill, W6WRT

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On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 20:08:43 -0700, Bill Turner
wrote:

ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 18:45:06 -0700, Richard Clark
wrote:

Hi Bill,

Do they subscribe to "signing statements?"

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

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Who is "they" and what is a "signing statement"?

Hi Bill,

They: the Homeowners Association
signing statement: a Fascist rewriting of a contract already entered
into.

I can anticipate a "no" in response to my question, and as such the
Homeowners Association ceases to qualify for the current state of the
Fascist art.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

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Jim Kelley wrote:


Bill Turner wrote:


Move away from the Fascist Homeowners Association
and get in an area where people know enough to leave each other alone!

Isn't the elimination of the rights of property owners more of a
Socialist ideal? That characterization would be a bit more consistent
with the "climate" here in this state.


You would think, wouldn't ya? Yet I find both far left and far right to
be equally meddlesome. Just different tactics.


- Mike -

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Richard Clark wrote:
On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 20:08:43 -0700, Bill Turner
wrote:

ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 18:45:06 -0700, Richard Clark
wrote:

Hi Bill,

Do they subscribe to "signing statements?"

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC
------------ REPLY SEPARATOR ------------

Who is "they" and what is a "signing statement"?

Hi Bill,

They: the Homeowners Association
signing statement: a Fascist rewriting of a contract already entered
into.

I can anticipate a "no" in response to my question, and as such the
Homeowners Association ceases to qualify for the current state of the
Fascist art.

Of course they aren't fascists. What they are is meddlesome groups who
find great joy in uniformity and exercising control over a group.

The original intent of such groups was keeping Bubba from parking his
'68 Marlin on blocks in the front yard, or using a toilet as a flower
planter.

What they have evolved into is a way for nosy people to squawk about
anything they don't like and now since somebody somewhere doesn't like
everything about anything, you have to get the paint color of your crown
molding approved, and can't hang clothes on a wash line in the back
yard. You can't plant a veggie garden and the plants you can plant are
from an acceptable list.

And yet There is nothing evil in such matters. It's a free country, and
if some people feel more comfy by giving up some of that freedom so that
they can get 5 grand more when they sell the place and move into the
nursing home - and give the money to said home, then let 'em have at it.
There isn't any law against stupid.

-73 de Mike KB3EIA -

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On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 08:54:45 -0400, Michael Coslo
wrote:

You would think, wouldn't ya? Yet I find both far left and far right to
be equally meddlesome. Just different tactics.


- Mike -

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Amen, bro.

Bill, W6WRT

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On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 11:56:53 -0400, Michael Coslo
wrote:

Of course they aren't fascists. What they are is meddlesome groups who
find great joy in uniformity and exercising control over a group.

Hi Mike,

Sounds like we've discovered the last of the proto-neocon republicans
in their natural preserve for endangered species. Amusing to
contemplate that they share the same future prospects as the Spotted
Owl - courtesy of the social engineering bulldozers coming out of the
beltway. ;-)

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

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Do you know of any place in Southern California that doesn't have such
restrictions?

"Bill Turner" wrote in message
...
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On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:20:27 -0400, Michael Coslo
wrote:

Why on earth would anyone live in one of those places? And yes there
are alternatives. I live in a development that doesn't have that that
kind of insane meddling going on. I can have a tower even, as long as it
has enough room to fall down within my yard and not hit the neighbors.

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Couldn't agree more. Move away from the Fascist Homeowners Association
and get in an area where people know enough to leave each other alone!
Your blood pressure will go down, your enjoyment of life will go up
and you might live long enough to Work All Stations.

Ok, a tad exaggerated but you get the idea.

73, BIll W6WRT

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Bob Agnew wrote:
Do you know of any place in Southern California that doesn't have such
restrictions?

One probably has to move away from the left coast. :-)
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

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Michael Coslo wrote:
Richard Clark wrote:
On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 20:08:43 -0700, Bill Turner
wrote:

ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 18:45:06 -0700, Richard Clark
wrote:

Hi Bill,

Do they subscribe to "signing statements?"

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC
------------ REPLY SEPARATOR ------------

Who is "they" and what is a "signing statement"?

Hi Bill,

They: the Homeowners Association
signing statement: a Fascist rewriting of a contract already entered
into.

I can anticipate a "no" in response to my question, and as such the
Homeowners Association ceases to qualify for the current state of the
Fascist art.

uniformity and exercising control over a group.
You just defined fascism.

The original intent of such groups was keeping Bubba from parking
his '68 Marlin on blocks in the front yard, or using a toilet as a
flower planter.

It's a free country,
and if some people feel more comfy by giving up some of that freedom


then they, too, are fascists.

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Cecil Moore wrote:

Bob Agnew wrote:

Do you know of any place in Southern California that doesn't have such
restrictions?


One probably has to move away from the left coast. :-)

Yes, move away from the coast until you see sand (not sea sand).

ac6xg

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"Jim Kelley" wrote in message
...
Cecil Moore wrote:

One probably has to move away from the left coast. :-)

Yes, move away from the coast until you see sand (not sea sand).

ac6xg


Think the old fashioned method of getting away from the coastal area
was to carry an oar over one shoulder and hike 'til someone asked, "Whats
that thing on your shoulder?" Can't say personally, I've always lived near
Americas heartland (Used to be called the Great American Desert before they
found it was a wheat growers paradise).

Harold
KD5SAK

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On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:04:30 -0700, "Bob Agnew" wrote:


Do you know of any place in Southern California that doesn't have such
restrictions?

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Yep. I live 30 miles due north of Palm Springs and the jackrabbits
don't care at all.

Bill, W6WRT

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Bob Agnew wrote:
Do you know of any place in Southern California that doesn't have such
restrictions?


Same difference. I wouldn't live in one of those deed restricted
developments, and I definitely wouldn't live in SoCa.

We have choices.

- 73 de Mike KB3EIA -

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"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
. ..
Bob Agnew wrote:
Do you know of any place in Southern California that doesn't have such
restrictions?

One probably has to move away from the left coast. :-)
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

Not actually. On a clear day, I can see the Pacific Ocean from my yard and
we have no HOA and no antenna restrictions in the CC&R's. My area was
developed in 1968 and the CC&R's are up for renewal in a few years. I need
to pay attention to that event. I might lose the right to put up more
antennas and be "grandfathered" for only what I have now.

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ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 23:07:41 -0400, Mike Coslo
wrote:

and I definitely wouldn't live in SoCa.

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The only thing we need to make you feel right at home would be
humidity, ice storms and snow.

We're working on it. I'll get back to you.

Bill, W6WRT
looking for his snowshoes

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Bill Turner wrote:
ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 23:07:41 -0400, Mike Coslo
wrote:

and I definitely wouldn't live in SoCa.

------------ REPLY SEPARATOR ------------

The only thing we need to make you feel right at home would be
humidity, ice storms and snow.

Tell me about it! At least you do have lower humidity to go with your
heat waves. Nothing quite so fun as 100 degrees at 90 percent humidity.
Heck, I went up to Canada last weekend looking for a little relief. No
such luck. Yuck.


We're working on it. I'll get back to you.

Bill, W6WRT
looking for his snowshoes

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On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 08:46:59 -0400, Michael Coslo
wrote:

Tell me about it! At least you do have lower humidity to go with your
heat waves. Nothing quite so fun as 100 degrees at 90 percent humidity.

------------ REPLY SEPARATOR ------------

So true. We get 100 degrees a lot but the humidity is usually no more
than about 25% and is often lower. It's quite nice, really, until the
brush fires begin. :-)

Bill, W6WRT

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Bill Turner wrote:
ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:04:30 -0700, "Bob Agnew" wrote:



Do you know of any place in Southern California that doesn't have such
restrictions?


------------ REPLY SEPARATOR ------------

Yep. I live 30 miles due north of Palm Springs and the jackrabbits
don't care at all.

Bill, W6WRT

You're next, Bill. Enjoy it while it lasts! :-)

ac6xg

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Same difference. I wouldn't live in one of those deed restricted
developments, and I definitely wouldn't live in SoCa.


I didn't have any choice. I had to take the job here in order to support my
family.
Good paying job openings for MSEE's were not all that abundant in 1971.

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...
Bob Agnew wrote:
Do you know of any place in Southern California that doesn't have such
restrictions?


Same difference. I wouldn't live in one of those deed restricted
developments, and I definitely wouldn't live in SoCa.

We have choices.

- 73 de Mike KB3EIA -

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"Bob Agnew" wrote in message
news:RwuAg.346$0F5.150@fed1read04...

Same difference. I wouldn't live in one of those deed restricted
developments, and I definitely wouldn't live in SoCa.


I didn't have any choice. I had to take the job here in order to support
my family.
Good paying job openings for MSEE's were not all that abundant in 1971.

Seems like those were the days when the last engineer leaving Seattle was
supposed to turn off the lights.....I ended up in NJ for a couple of years
during that timeframe.

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"Wayne" wrote in message
news:PavAg.7992$oz.3960@trnddc07...

"Bob Agnew" wrote in message
news:RwuAg.346$0F5.150@fed1read04...

Same difference. I wouldn't live in one of those deed restricted
developments, and I definitely wouldn't live in SoCa.


I didn't have any choice. I had to take the job here in order to support
my family.
Good paying job openings for MSEE's were not all that abundant in 1971.

Seems like those were the days when the last engineer leaving Seattle was
supposed to turn off the lights.....I ended up in NJ for a couple of years
during that timeframe.


Ah yes. I think I was at the Seattle Boeing facility once or twice, and
also at St. Louis and several other of their places.

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Wayne wrote:
"Bob Agnew" wrote in message
news:RwuAg.346$0F5.150@fed1read04...
Same difference. I wouldn't live in one of those deed restricted
developments, and I definitely wouldn't live in SoCa.

I didn't have any choice. I had to take the job here in order to support
my family.
Good paying job openings for MSEE's were not all that abundant in 1971.

Seems like those were the days when the last engineer leaving Seattle was
supposed to turn off the lights.....I ended up in NJ for a couple of years
during that timeframe.



Which Exit?


- 73 de Mike KB3EIA -

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The April QST article I liked appeared in about 1973. It was an article on a
zero-bandwidth audio filter. The schematic showed a "filter" connected
between the hot side of a phone jack to ground, and the bill of materials
listed the filter as a precise length of "common copper conductor". I had a
Princeton PhD in physics ask me where he could purchase some common copper
conductor. He took it fairly well when I pointed out that the article was
from an April issue.


"Jim - NN7K" wrote in message
.net...


Dr Shorza Gitchigoomie also wrote about Useing "Negative Resistance" to do
the Contra Polar Energy thing. Funny, I could never get these to work the
way he described them (think was about 14
at the time)! That was CQ's premier "Engineer"!
Jim NN7K

Bill Turner wrote:

There was an article in QST about underground antennas. It might have
been an April fool's article but it was so long ago I don't remember
for sure. I was 14 or 15 and anything seemed possible. :-)
[snip]

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ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 11:11:33 -0700, Jim Kelley
wrote:

Yep. I live 30 miles due north of Palm Springs and the jackrabbits
don't care at all.

Bill, W6WRT

You're next, Bill. Enjoy it while it lasts! :-)

ac6xg


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I'm next?

You obviously don't realize how large SoCal is! Come visit sometime
and I'll take you on roads where you can drive for hours and never see
another car or person, not to mention a Homeowner's Association. :-)

The county I live in, San Bernardino, is larger than nine of the
states. Think about that for a moment. How come we don't have two
senators?

Bill, W6WRT

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Bill Turner wrote:
I'm next?

Think you're not? Beware the legislators.

You obviously don't realize how large SoCal is! Come visit sometime
and I'll take you on roads where you can drive for hours and never see
another car or person, not to mention a Homeowner's Association. :-)

Apparently they even don't have call books there where you are! :-)
I've lived here since the middle of last century. Heck, I own
property 10 miles down the road from you.

The county I live in, San Bernardino,

I guess they must not have mail delivery out there. According to your
FCC records, you pick up your mail in Los Angeles.

is larger than nine of the
states.

None of the other counties wanted any of it. :-)

Think about that for a moment. How come we don't have two
senators?

We do. And you can have 'em.

ac6xg

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On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 15:22:20 -0700, Jim Kelley
wrote:

Apparently they even don't have call books there where you are! :-)
I've lived here since the middle of last century. Heck, I own
property 10 miles down the road from you.

Are you talking about Silverado? I haven't the foggiest where it is
but I guarantee it isn't ten miles down the road from me.



I guess they must not have mail delivery out there. According to your
FCC records, you pick up your mail in Los Angeles.

Busted call. I have never lived in or picked up mail in Los Angeles.

Try again.

Bill, W6WRT

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On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 15:22:20 -0700, Jim Kelley
wrote:

I've lived here since the middle of last century.

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Is Silverado a stealth community? I went to

http://www.hometownlocator.com/City/...California.cfm

and the map shows a bunch of towns, but not that one.

Actually, that might be good for a ham worried about Homeowners
Associations. :-)

Bill, W6WRT

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Bill Turner wrote:

ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 11:11:33 -0700, Jim Kelley
wrote:


Yep. I live 30 miles due north of Palm Springs and the jackrabbits
don't care at all.

Bill, W6WRT

You're next, Bill. Enjoy it while it lasts! :-)

ac6xg



------------ REPLY SEPARATOR ------------

I'm next?

You obviously don't realize how large SoCal is! Come visit sometime
and I'll take you on roads where you can drive for hours and never see
another car or person, not to mention a Homeowner's Association. :-)

The county I live in, San Bernardino, is larger than nine of the
states. Think about that for a moment. How come we don't have two
senators?

Bill, W6WRT

I'm formerly from the People's Socialist Republic of Massachusetts. I know two
Senators [ K & K ] that you can have.

/s/ DD, W1MCE

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In article ,
Jim Kelley wrote:

Bill Turner wrote:
I'm next?

Think you're not? Beware the legislators.

You obviously don't realize how large SoCal is! Come visit sometime
and I'll take you on roads where you can drive for hours and never see
another car or person, not to mention a Homeowner's Association. :-)

Apparently they even don't have call books there where you are! :-)
I've lived here since the middle of last century. Heck, I own
property 10 miles down the road from you.

The county I live in, San Bernardino,

I guess they must not have mail delivery out there. According to your
FCC records, you pick up your mail in Los Angeles.

is larger than nine of the
states.

None of the other counties wanted any of it. :-)

Think about that for a moment. How come we don't have two
senators?

We do. And you can have 'em.

ac6xg


We have a saying, up here in Alaska, that we use on Texans that come
up here. "Shut the f--k up, or we will cut Alaska in half, and Texas
will the the third largest state." Goes five times for Kalifornia....

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Bill Turner wrote:

Is Silverado a stealth community?

Not anymore!

I went to

http://www.hometownlocator.com/City/...California.cfm

and the map shows a bunch of towns, but not that one.

You're right. It doesn't really exist. My zip code has a 'j' in
front of it. ;-)

Actually, that might be good for a ham worried about Homeowners
Associations. :-)

It's good if you don't mind having the horizon at +30 degrees elevation.

BTW, sorry I confused you with another Bill - similar call.

73, ac6xg