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[email protected] July 23rd 06 11:11 PM

neighborhood antenna restrictions
 
Help. I've been licensed since 1967, but I haven't been active for
about 20 years. I just bought a FT-101EE with a Cushcraft R4 vertical
antenna, however there are restrictions in my subdivision about
antennas. I'm thinking my best bet may be a long wire between my house
and a neighbor's tree with a tuner. I know this is an ago old battle,
any ideas for an inconspicuous HF antenna?


Ed July 24th 06 12:57 AM

neighborhood antenna restrictions
 

Help. I've been licensed since 1967, but I haven't been active for
about 20 years. I just bought a FT-101EE with a Cushcraft R4 vertical
antenna, however there are restrictions in my subdivision about
antennas. I'm thinking my best bet may be a long wire between my house
and a neighbor's tree with a tuner. I know this is an ago old battle,
any ideas for an inconspicuous HF antenna?



Sounds to me like you already have a workable idea in mind. Just use
small wire, keep it high enough to be out of reach.

Use a tuner, and keep your coax as short as possible (lossy with high
SWR) and you should be just fine.


Ed K7AAT

Bill Turner July 24th 06 05:06 AM

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ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

On 23 Jul 2006 15:11:26 -0700, wrote:


Help. I've been licensed since 1967, but I haven't been active for
about 20 years. I just bought a FT-101EE with a Cushcraft R4 vertical
antenna, however there are restrictions in my subdivision about
antennas. I'm thinking my best bet may be a long wire between my house
and a neighbor's tree with a tuner. I know this is an ago old battle,
any ideas for an inconspicuous HF antenna?


------------ REPLY SEPARATOR ------------

Move.

If you signed an agreement not to put up antennas, don't. Hams have a
bad enough rep with the neighbors as it is without violating
agreements they voluntarily agreed to.

Bill, W6WRT

Cecil Moore July 24th 06 12:58 PM

neighborhood antenna restrictions
 
wrote:
Help. I've been licensed since 1967, but I haven't been active for
about 20 years. I just bought a FT-101EE with a Cushcraft R4 vertical
antenna, however there are restrictions in my subdivision about
antennas. I'm thinking my best bet may be a long wire between my house
and a neighbor's tree with a tuner. I know this is an ago old battle,
any ideas for an inconspicuous HF antenna?


Are there restrictions against flagpoles?
--
73, Cecil
http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

test July 24th 06 01:24 PM

neighborhood antenna restrictions
 
wrote:
Help. I've been licensed since 1967, but I haven't been active for
about 20 years. I just bought a FT-101EE with a Cushcraft R4 vertical
antenna, however there are restrictions in my subdivision about
antennas. I'm thinking my best bet may be a long wire between my house
and a neighbor's tree with a tuner. I know this is an ago old battle,
any ideas for an inconspicuous HF antenna?

Dont forget magnetic loops, they work well.

Pat

Caveat Lector July 24th 06 02:35 PM

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Bill -- check out Stealth Antenna projects at URL:
http://ac6v.com/antprojects.htm#STANT

Help. I've been licensed since 1967, but I haven't been active for
about 20 years. I just bought a FT-101EE with a Cushcraft R4 vertical
antenna, however there are restrictions in my subdivision about
antennas. I'm thinking my best bet may be a long wire between my house
and a neighbor's tree with a tuner. I know this is an ago old battle,
any ideas for an inconspicuous HF antenna?




Bill Turner July 24th 06 03:50 PM

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ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 06:35:03 -0700, "Caveat Lector"
wrote:

Bill -- check out Stealth Antenna projects at URL:
http://ac6v.com/antprojects.htm#STANT


------------ REPLY SEPARATOR ------------

Do the CC&Rs allow "stealth" antennas? If so, go for it. If not,
don't.

Bill, W6WRT

Bert Hyman July 24th 06 03:59 PM

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(Bill Turner) wrote in
:

On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 06:35:03 -0700, "Caveat Lector"
wrote:

Bill -- check out Stealth Antenna projects at URL:
http://ac6v.com/antprojects.htm#STANT

------------ REPLY SEPARATOR ------------

Do the CC&Rs allow "stealth" antennas? If so, go for it. If not,
don't.


Are you suggesting that the OP might actually want to comply with the
terms of the contract he made when he bought his house?

How strange!

--
Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN |

Wayne July 24th 06 04:10 PM

neighborhood antenna restrictions
 

wrote in message
ups.com...
Help. I've been licensed since 1967, but I haven't been active for
about 20 years. I just bought a FT-101EE with a Cushcraft R4 vertical
antenna, however there are restrictions in my subdivision about
antennas. I'm thinking my best bet may be a long wire between my house
and a neighbor's tree with a tuner. I know this is an ago old battle,
any ideas for an inconspicuous HF antenna?

If you bought the house knowing that antennas were not allowed, consider not
putting antennas up, at least outside. If you got sucked into the deal by
an unscrupulous builder who deliberately hid the antenna restrictions so
that he could sell a house (this happened to me a few years ago).......

OK, stealth antennas...obviously higher frequencies are easier to deal
with....
1. Flagpole converted to antenna
2. Horizontal loop around the outside of the house, in the attic, or around
a room.
3. Mag loop
4. If you park your car in the driveway, mobile antenna with coax reaching
to shack.
5. Ground mounted tilt up vertical
6. Tilt up vertical mounted on metal fence
6. DDRR
7. Small diameter wire end fed
8. Capacity hat vertical with loading coil near top, producing a short
vertical not easily visible
9. Attic dipole




David G. Nagel July 26th 06 05:14 AM

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Rayburn wrote:

Copper and aluminum Gutters work great!...If they only run across the front
and back of the house you can connect them with a small wire across the roof
to make for a nice long antenna!

For example I'm hooked to the bottom of a downspout near the ground on my 3
story home....about 28 feet up the guttering starts and runs 25 feet across
the back of the house......I connected a wire across the roof (60 feet long)
to the end of the front gutter thats the same height and length.

166 feet of antenna in the shape of an upside down U !

I buried a couple of ground radials next to a fence for 160...80....40 and
added a few short ones for 20 /15 and 10 about an inch deep in the
yard.....works great with a tuner and is fantastic on the L and AM bands for
reception as well!

Other than a small 4 inch length of coax behind the house next to the garage
door.....Its invisible!
wrote in message
ups.com...

Help. I've been licensed since 1967, but I haven't been active for
about 20 years. I just bought a FT-101EE with a Cushcraft R4 vertical
antenna, however there are restrictions in my subdivision about
antennas. I'm thinking my best bet may be a long wire between my house
and a neighbor's tree with a tuner. I know this is an ago old battle,
any ideas for an inconspicuous HF antenna?






Congress just passed and the President signed a Federal Law that stops
the CC&R cops from prohibiting flying the American Flag on your
property. This means you can have a flag pole (antenna). :)

Dave WD9BDZ

Howard W3CQH July 26th 06 08:02 PM

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Be sure that the Gutters are not grounded. If you have Aluminum Siding, the
gutters maybe attached to the siding. A quick check with an ohmmeter should
verify that.
Other wise the gutters make a great antenna.

"Rayburn" wrote in message
...
Copper and aluminum Gutters work great!...If they only run across the
front and back of the house you can connect them with a small wire across
the roof to make for a nice long antenna!

For example I'm hooked to the bottom of a downspout near the ground on my
3 story home....about 28 feet up the guttering starts and runs 25 feet
across the back of the house......I connected a wire across the roof (60
feet long) to the end of the front gutter thats the same height and
length.

166 feet of antenna in the shape of an upside down U !

I buried a couple of ground radials next to a fence for 160...80....40 and
added a few short ones for 20 /15 and 10 about an inch deep in the
yard.....works great with a tuner and is fantastic on the L and AM bands
for reception as well!

Other than a small 4 inch length of coax behind the house next to the
garage door.....Its invisible!
wrote in message
ups.com...
Help. I've been licensed since 1967, but I haven't been active for
about 20 years. I just bought a FT-101EE with a Cushcraft R4 vertical
antenna, however there are restrictions in my subdivision about
antennas. I'm thinking my best bet may be a long wire between my house
and a neighbor's tree with a tuner. I know this is an ago old battle,
any ideas for an inconspicuous HF antenna?






Bob July 27th 06 02:06 AM

neighborhood antenna restrictions
 
Do you have licence? If yes, you are legall, put antenna up!!!!!
Dont listen this all b. s.


wrote in message
ups.com...
Help. I've been licensed since 1967, but I haven't been active for
about 20 years. I just bought a FT-101EE with a Cushcraft R4 vertical
antenna, however there are restrictions in my subdivision about
antennas. I'm thinking my best bet may be a long wire between my house
and a neighbor's tree with a tuner. I know this is an ago old battle,
any ideas for an inconspicuous HF antenna?




Buck July 27th 06 03:23 AM

neighborhood antenna restrictions
 
Siding works too. :) depending on if it's grounded or not.

I think my strangest antenna was when I connected wires from my tuner
to each of the two window screens in the corner room. I worked
california from Georgia on 10 meters. :)

Buck
N4PGW



On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:02:25 -0400, "Howard W3CQH"
wrote:

Be sure that the Gutters are not grounded. If you have Aluminum Siding, the
gutters maybe attached to the siding. A quick check with an ohmmeter should
verify that.
Other wise the gutters make a great antenna.

"Rayburn" wrote in message
.. .
Copper and aluminum Gutters work great!...If they only run across the
front and back of the house you can connect them with a small wire across
the roof to make for a nice long antenna!

For example I'm hooked to the bottom of a downspout near the ground on my
3 story home....about 28 feet up the guttering starts and runs 25 feet
across the back of the house......I connected a wire across the roof (60
feet long) to the end of the front gutter thats the same height and
length.

166 feet of antenna in the shape of an upside down U !

I buried a couple of ground radials next to a fence for 160...80....40 and
added a few short ones for 20 /15 and 10 about an inch deep in the
yard.....works great with a tuner and is fantastic on the L and AM bands
for reception as well!

Other than a small 4 inch length of coax behind the house next to the
garage door.....Its invisible!
wrote in message
ups.com...
Help. I've been licensed since 1967, but I haven't been active for
about 20 years. I just bought a FT-101EE with a Cushcraft R4 vertical
antenna, however there are restrictions in my subdivision about
antennas. I'm thinking my best bet may be a long wire between my house
and a neighbor's tree with a tuner. I know this is an ago old battle,
any ideas for an inconspicuous HF antenna?





--
73 for now
Buck
N4PGW

Bill Turner July 27th 06 05:34 AM

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ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:23:22 -0400, Buck wrote:


I think my strangest antenna was when I connected wires from my tuner
to each of the two window screens in the corner room. I worked
california from Georgia on 10 meters. :)


------------ REPLY SEPARATOR ------------

My strangest was a six meter dipole buried about a foot underground. I
worked one station about ten miles away.

About a week later I received my WAE award. (Worked All Earthworms).

Bill, W6WRT

Buck July 27th 06 10:43 AM

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On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:34:49 -0700, Bill Turner
wrote:

ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:23:22 -0400, Buck wrote:


I think my strangest antenna was when I connected wires from my tuner
to each of the two window screens in the corner room. I worked
california from Georgia on 10 meters. :)


------------ REPLY SEPARATOR ------------

My strangest was a six meter dipole buried about a foot underground. I
worked one station about ten miles away.

About a week later I received my WAE award. (Worked All Earthworms).

Bill, W6WRT



How did you wind up with a dipole buried underground? Were you trying
to make a resonant dummy load?


--
73 for now
Buck
N4PGW

Dave July 27th 06 01:20 PM

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Bob wrote:

Do you have licence? If yes, you are legall, put antenna up!!!!!
Dont listen this all b. s.


------ reply separator -------

This is not quite accurate. If he signed a contract, i.e. agreed to a set of
CC&Rs in a private subdivision at the time of purchase, he is obliged to honor
the contract. Contract law in private, not public, domain trumps PRB-1.

------ reply separator -------

wrote in message
ups.com...

Help. I've been licensed since 1967, but I haven't been active for
about 20 years. I just bought a FT-101EE with a Cushcraft R4 vertical
antenna, however there are restrictions in my subdivision about
antennas. I'm thinking my best bet may be a long wire between my house
and a neighbor's tree with a tuner. I know this is an ago old battle,
any ideas for an inconspicuous HF antenna?






Bill Turner July 27th 06 03:22 PM

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ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 05:43:25 -0400, Buck wrote:


How did you wind up with a dipole buried underground? Were you trying
to make a resonant dummy load?


------------ REPLY SEPARATOR ------------

There was an article in QST about underground antennas. It might have
been an April fool's article but it was so long ago I don't remember
for sure. I was 14 or 15 and anything seemed possible. :-)

Years later I came to the conclusion that I worked the other guy with
incidental radiation from the rig itself and/or the coax feedline, not
the antenna itself.

Bill, W6WRT

Cecil Moore July 27th 06 04:17 PM

neighborhood antenna restrictions
 
Bill Turner wrote:
There was an article in QST about underground antennas. It might have
been an April fool's article but it was so long ago I don't remember
for sure. I was 14 or 15 and anything seemed possible. :-)


Back in the '50's, Larsen E. Rapp got me with one of those
articles. He said we could create an "amplitude discriminator"
with "back to back limiters". That way, we could simply
discriminate by tuning out the strong signal and tuning
in the weak signal. I asked W5OLV how to build back to
back limiters. He couldn't stop laughing.
--
73, Cecil, http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

David G. Nagel July 27th 06 06:33 PM

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Cecil Moore wrote:

Bill Turner wrote:

There was an article in QST about underground antennas. It might have
been an April fool's article but it was so long ago I don't remember
for sure. I was 14 or 15 and anything seemed possible. :-)



Back in the '50's, Larsen E. Rapp got me with one of those
articles. He said we could create an "amplitude discriminator"
with "back to back limiters". That way, we could simply
discriminate by tuning out the strong signal and tuning
in the weak signal. I asked W5OLV how to build back to
back limiters. He couldn't stop laughing.



I still like to think about an article in "Popular Electronics" back in
the late 50's or early 60's about "CONTRA POLAR ENERGY". This principal
worked in the exact opposite manner to regular energy: electric lamps
absorbed light, heaters froze etc. It got me for many years until
someone queried PE about it years later. The cat was let out out the
bag. To bad it was an interesting concept.

Dave N

Ken Finney July 27th 06 08:50 PM

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"Dave" wrote in message
. ..
Bob wrote:

Do you have licence? If yes, you are legall, put antenna up!!!!!
Dont listen this all b. s.


------ reply separator -------

This is not quite accurate. If he signed a contract, i.e. agreed to a set
of CC&Rs in a private subdivision at the time of purchase, he is obliged
to honor the contract. Contract law in private, not public, domain trumps
PRB-1.

------ reply separator -------

wrote in message
ups.com...

Help. I've been licensed since 1967, but I haven't been active for
about 20 years. I just bought a FT-101EE with a Cushcraft R4 vertical
antenna, however there are restrictions in my subdivision about
antennas. I'm thinking my best bet may be a long wire between my house
and a neighbor's tree with a tuner. I know this is an ago old battle,
any ideas for an inconspicuous HF antenna?


I believe President Bush just signed a law preventing subdivisions/HOAs from
prohibiting flagpoles. Sounds like a flagpole antenna now trumps
subdivisions/HOAs!




Richard Clark July 27th 06 10:11 PM

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On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 19:50:29 GMT, "Ken Finney"
wrote:

I believe President Bush just signed a law preventing subdivisions/HOAs from
prohibiting flagpoles. Sounds like a flagpole antenna now trumps
subdivisions/HOAs!


H. R. 42

One Hundred Ninth Congress
of the
United States of America
AT THE SECOND SESSION

Begun and held at the City of Washington on Tuesday, the third day of
January, two thousand and six

An Act
To ensure that the right of an individual to display the flag of the
United States on residential property not be abridged.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United
States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the ``Freedom to Display the American Flag
Act of 2005''.

SEC. 2. DEFINITIONS.
For purposes of this Act--
(1) the term ``flag of the United States'' has the meaning given the
term ``flag, standard, colors, or ensign'' under section 3 of title 4,
United States Code;
(2) the terms ``condominium association'' and ``cooperative
association'' have the meanings given such terms under section 604 of
Public Law 96399 (15 U.S.C. 3603);
(3) the term ``residential real estate management association'' has
the meaning given such term under section 528 of the Internal Revenue
Code of 1986 (26 U.S.C. 528); and
(4) the term ``member''--
(A) as used with respect to a condominium association, means an
owner of a condominium unit (as defined under section 604 of Public
Law 96399 (15 U.S.C. 3603)) within such association;
(B) as used with respect to a cooperative association, means a
cooperative unit owner (as defined under section 604 of Public Law
96399 (15 U.S.C. 3603)) within such association; and
(C) as used with respect to a residential real estate management
association, means an owner of a residential property within a
subdivision, development, or similar area subject to any policy or
restriction adopted by such associa tion.

SEC. 3. RIGHT TO DISPLAY THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES.
A condominium association, cooperative association, or residential
real estate management association may not adopt or enforce any
policy, or enter into any agreement, that would restrict or prevent a
member of the association from displaying the flag of the United
States on residential property within the association with respect to
which such member has a separate ownership interest or a right to
exclusive possession or use.

SEC. 4. LIMITATIONS. H. R. 42--2
Nothing in this Act shall be considered to permit any display
or use that is inconsistent with--
(1) any provision of chapter 1 of title 4, United States Code, or any
rule or custom pertaining to the proper display or use of the flag of
the United States (as established pursuant to such chapter or any
otherwise applicable provision of law);
or
(2) any reasonable restriction pertaining to the time, place, or
manner of displaying the flag of the United States necessary to
protect a substantial interest of the condominium association,
cooperative association, or residential real estate management
association.


73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Rayburn July 28th 06 02:24 AM

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I dont see the word flagpole anywhere in this legislation...just
flag....HOA's can make a law that flags will be on a 4 foot rod if they
want....and can even tell you what SIZE flag your allowed!

But yea ...you can fly Old Glory!

This law really dont help that much.


"Richard Clark" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 19:50:29 GMT, "Ken Finney"
wrote:

I believe President Bush just signed a law preventing subdivisions/HOAs
from
prohibiting flagpoles. Sounds like a flagpole antenna now trumps
subdivisions/HOAs!


H. R. 42

One Hundred Ninth Congress
of the
United States of America
AT THE SECOND SESSION

Begun and held at the City of Washington on Tuesday, the third day of
January, two thousand and six

An Act
To ensure that the right of an individual to display the flag of the
United States on residential property not be abridged.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United
States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the ``Freedom to Display the American Flag
Act of 2005''.

SEC. 2. DEFINITIONS.
For purposes of this Act--
(1) the term ``flag of the United States'' has the meaning given the
term ``flag, standard, colors, or ensign'' under section 3 of title 4,
United States Code;
(2) the terms ``condominium association'' and ``cooperative
association'' have the meanings given such terms under section 604 of
Public Law 96399 (15 U.S.C. 3603);
(3) the term ``residential real estate management association'' has
the meaning given such term under section 528 of the Internal Revenue
Code of 1986 (26 U.S.C. 528); and
(4) the term ``member''--
(A) as used with respect to a condominium association, means an
owner of a condominium unit (as defined under section 604 of Public
Law 96399 (15 U.S.C. 3603)) within such association;
(B) as used with respect to a cooperative association, means a
cooperative unit owner (as defined under section 604 of Public Law
96399 (15 U.S.C. 3603)) within such association; and
(C) as used with respect to a residential real estate management
association, means an owner of a residential property within a
subdivision, development, or similar area subject to any policy or
restriction adopted by such associa tion.

SEC. 3. RIGHT TO DISPLAY THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES.
A condominium association, cooperative association, or residential
real estate management association may not adopt or enforce any
policy, or enter into any agreement, that would restrict or prevent a
member of the association from displaying the flag of the United
States on residential property within the association with respect to
which such member has a separate ownership interest or a right to
exclusive possession or use.

SEC. 4. LIMITATIONS. H. R. 42--2
Nothing in this Act shall be considered to permit any display
or use that is inconsistent with--
(1) any provision of chapter 1 of title 4, United States Code, or any
rule or custom pertaining to the proper display or use of the flag of
the United States (as established pursuant to such chapter or any
otherwise applicable provision of law);
or
(2) any reasonable restriction pertaining to the time, place, or
manner of displaying the flag of the United States necessary to
protect a substantial interest of the condominium association,
cooperative association, or residential real estate management
association.


73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC




Jim - NN7K July 28th 06 02:53 AM

neighborhood antenna restrictions
 


Dr Shorza Gitchigoomie also wrote about Useing
"Negative Resistance" to do the Contra Polar
Energy thing. Funny, I could never get these to
work the way he described them (think was about 14
at the time)! That was CQ's premier "Engineer"!
Jim NN7K

Bill Turner wrote:

There was an article in QST about underground antennas. It might have
been an April fool's article but it was so long ago I don't remember
for sure. I was 14 or 15 and anything seemed possible. :-)




Back in the '50's, Larsen E. Rapp got me with one of those
articles. He said we could create an "amplitude discriminator"
with "back to back limiters". That way, we could simply
discriminate by tuning out the strong signal and tuning
in the weak signal. I asked W5OLV how to build back to
back limiters. He couldn't stop laughing.




I still like to think about an article in "Popular Electronics" back in
the late 50's or early 60's about "CONTRA POLAR ENERGY". This principal
worked in the exact opposite manner to regular energy: electric lamps
absorbed light, heaters froze etc. It got me for many years until
someone queried PE about it years later. The cat was let out out the
bag. To bad it was an interesting concept.

Dave N


David G. Nagel July 28th 06 03:40 AM

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Irv Finkleman wrote:
"David G. Nagel" wrote:


I still like to think about an article in "Popular Electronics" back in
the late 50's or early 60's about "CONTRA POLAR ENERGY". This principal
worked in the exact opposite manner to regular energy: electric lamps
absorbed light, heaters froze etc. It got me for many years until
someone queried PE about it years later. The cat was let out out the
bag. To bad it was an interesting concept.

Dave N



It was around 1954 -- I was just getting into electronics and had
built my first crystal set! Boy! Was I ever gullible then!

Irv VE6BP

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Calgary, Alberta, Canada

We should know now what we knew then. HI HI....

Dave

Richard Clark July 28th 06 07:52 AM

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On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 21:24:27 -0400, "Rayburn"
wrote:

I dont see the word flagpole anywhere in this legislation...just
flag....HOA's can make a law that flags will be on a 4 foot rod if they
want....and can even tell you what SIZE flag your allowed!


Hi OM,

Quite true.

But yea ...you can fly Old Glory!


And I've seen how abysmally our flag is treated by far too many
suburban patriots. Some literally torn to shreds on flagpoles, others
faded with age, yet more as dirty as diapers. Far too many flown at
night.

The flag has become more a soiled bib announcing a tailgate picnic
than a matter of pride.

This law really dont help that much.


Consider the source, how many of our "legislator's" have actually
stood in arms under that flag? Half their constituency would be
behind bars for desecration if the current laws were enforced.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC (having served in many color guards)

Cecil Moore July 28th 06 01:05 PM

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Richard Clark wrote:
Consider the source, how many of our "legislator's" have actually
stood in arms under that flag? Half their constituency would be
behind bars for desecration if the current laws were enforced.


If the current laws were enforced, half the legislators
would be behind bars. :-)
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

Me July 28th 06 07:57 PM

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In article ,
Cecil Moore wrote:

Richard Clark wrote:
Consider the source, how many of our "legislator's" have actually
stood in arms under that flag? Half their constituency would be
behind bars for desecration if the current laws were enforced.


If the current laws were enforced, half the legislators
would be behind bars. :-)


If current Laws we enforced, half the population would be behind bars,
and the other half would be guarding them...........


Me

Bill Turner July 30th 06 05:31 PM

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ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:17:53 GMT, Cecil Moore
wrote:

Back in the '50's, Larsen E. Rapp got me with one of those
articles.


------------ REPLY SEPARATOR ------------

One of my favorite Rapp articles was the one about digging a trench,
filling it with water and using it as a reflector.

QST quit doing April fool articles for a long time, the cowards, but I
see they are slowly edging back into it.

I miss Larson!

Bill, W6WRT

Cecil Moore July 30th 06 07:13 PM

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Bill Turner wrote:
QST quit doing April fool articles for a long time, the cowards, but I
see they are slowly edging back into it.


QEX is making up for it. From the May/June issue:
"I wish to emphasize the fact that the forward
and reverse waves really do not exist separately, ..."
That's why radar doesn't work.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

Bob Agnew July 30th 06 09:26 PM

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I also remeber the Scratchfasti Hatchi column in QST in the 50's!

"Bill Turner" wrote in message
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On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:17:53 GMT, Cecil Moore
wrote:

Back in the '50's, Larsen E. Rapp got me with one of those
articles.


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One of my favorite Rapp articles was the one about digging a trench,
filling it with water and using it as a reflector.

QST quit doing April fool articles for a long time, the cowards, but I
see they are slowly edging back into it.

I miss Larson!

Bill, W6WRT




Bob Agnew July 30th 06 09:30 PM

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If current Laws we enforced, half the population would be behind bars,
and the other half would be guarding them...........


The way my HOA enforces it is to levy a $200 fine in the form of a Mortgage
impound on the first violation, with an increasing fine every two weeks
thereafter.

"Me" wrote in message
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In article ,
Cecil Moore wrote:

Richard Clark wrote:
Consider the source, how many of our "legislator's" have actually
stood in arms under that flag? Half their constituency would be
behind bars for desecration if the current laws were enforced.


If the current laws were enforced, half the legislators
would be behind bars. :-)


If current Laws we enforced, half the population would be behind bars,
and the other half would be guarding them...........


Me




Bill Turner July 31st 06 04:20 AM

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ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:26:42 -0700, "Bob Agnew"
wrote:

I also remeber the Scratchfasti Hatchi column in QST in the 50's!


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I remember too, but I don't think it was QST. Either CQ or 73 I'm
pretty sure.

Bill, W6WRT

Bob Nielsen July 31st 06 04:45 AM

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On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:20:35 -0700, Bill Turner wrote:

ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:26:42 -0700, "Bob Agnew"
wrote:

I also remeber the Scratchfasti Hatchi column in QST in the 50's!


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I remember too, but I don't think it was QST. Either CQ or 73 I'm
pretty sure.

Bill, W6WRT


It was Hashifisti Scratchi and was in in CQ (before 73 existed). I heard
that it originated in "Radio", but that was before my time....

Bob, N7XY



[email protected] August 1st 06 02:53 AM

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I also remeber the Scratchfasti Hatchi column in QST in the 50's!

I read one of those columns at my local ham club several years ago,
and the PC (Political Correctness) crowd practically threw me out
on my ears! (But I still enjoy reading them!)

--
--Myron A. Calhoun.
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Michael Coslo August 1st 06 09:20 PM

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Bob Agnew wrote:
If current Laws we enforced, half the population would be behind bars,
and the other half would be guarding them...........


The way my HOA enforces it is to levy a $200 fine in the form of a Mortgage
impound on the first violation, with an increasing fine every two weeks
thereafter.



Why on earth would anyone live in one of those places? And yes there
are alternatives. I live in a development that doesn't have that that
kind of insane meddling going on. I can have a tower even, as long as it
has enough room to fall down within my yard and not hit the neighbors.

- 73 de Mike KB3EIA -

Bill Turner August 1st 06 10:35 PM

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On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:20:27 -0400, Michael Coslo
wrote:

Why on earth would anyone live in one of those places? And yes there
are alternatives. I live in a development that doesn't have that that
kind of insane meddling going on. I can have a tower even, as long as it
has enough room to fall down within my yard and not hit the neighbors.


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Couldn't agree more. Move away from the Fascist Homeowners Association
and get in an area where people know enough to leave each other alone!
Your blood pressure will go down, your enjoyment of life will go up
and you might live long enough to Work All Stations.

Ok, a tad exaggerated but you get the idea.

73, BIll W6WRT

Jim Kelley August 1st 06 11:33 PM

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Bill Turner wrote:


Move away from the Fascist Homeowners Association
and get in an area where people know enough to leave each other alone!


Isn't the elimination of the rights of property owners more of a
Socialist ideal? That characterization would be a bit more consistent
with the "climate" here in this state.

73, ac6xg


Cecil Moore August 1st 06 11:54 PM

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Jim Kelley wrote:
Isn't the elimination of the rights of property owners more of a
Socialist ideal?


National Socialists?
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

jawod August 1st 06 11:59 PM

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Michael Coslo wrote:
Bob Agnew wrote:

If current Laws we enforced, half the population would be behind bars,
and the other half would be guarding them...........


If you're Black, we're just about there now.

jawod August 2nd 06 12:06 AM

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Isn't the elimination of the rights of property owners more of a
Socialist ideal?


No, it's definitely fascist, bundle of sticks and all that. Uniformity
at all costs. Oddly, at their extremes, fascism and socialism sort of
meet.

Barney Fife is a fascist,
Barney Miller is a socialist.
Barney the purple Dinosaur is politically unaffiliated.


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