Bert Hyman wrote:

There's no moderator; this isn't a moderated newsgroup.

If you used a real newsreader and a real news service instead of
googlegroups, you'd be able to filter the posts if your news provider
wasn't already doing it.

Seems to be hard to do with Mozilla/Firefox/Seamonkey. Because he
is rotating the spaces, and punctuation, you can't filter on the
subject or sender field. Mozilla/Firefox/Seamonkey only allow filtering
on the subject, and sender fields.

The paranoid moron, of course, knows this. He wants to be sure
our filters don't deny him his audience.

So, I have been forwarding everything he posts to abuse at his
newsgroup sender. He should be needing some new isp accounts
shortly.

-Chuck

Chuck Harris wrote:

Seems to be hard to do with Mozilla/Firefox/Seamonkey. Because he
is rotating the spaces, and punctuation, you can't filter on the
subject or sender field. Mozilla/Firefox/Seamonkey only allow filtering
on the subject, and sender fields.

You shouldn't have to be doing it, your ISP should be running cleanfeed
and have a news admin on staff who deals with this stuff. Call up Erols
and ask if Afterburner or Ereshkigal are still working there.

So, I have been forwarding everything he posts to abuse at his
newsgroup sender. He should be needing some new isp accounts
shortly.

He cycles through them on a regular basis. He loses accounts, then
just gets new ones. The solution is to have your news admin deal with
it on the server. If your news admin is running "cleanfeed" it should
deal with it automatically because it has a feature to pattern match
repeated posts to multiple groups.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Scott Dorsey wrote:
Chuck Harris wrote:
Seems to be hard to do with Mozilla/Firefox/Seamonkey. Because he
is rotating the spaces, and punctuation, you can't filter on the
subject or sender field. Mozilla/Firefox/Seamonkey only allow filtering
on the subject, and sender fields.

You shouldn't have to be doing it, your ISP should be running cleanfeed
and have a news admin on staff who deals with this stuff. Call up Erols
and ask if Afterburner or Ereshkigal are still working there.

All that is left of Erols is really only the name. They were bought up
by RCN, and then StarPower (Pepco and RCN), and then spun off to become
RCN once again.

Erekose is probably still there. I have used his services on a number of
occasions.

However, I have seen no sign that RCN filters anything out of their news
feeds.


So, I have been forwarding everything he posts to abuse at his
newsgroup sender. He should be needing some new isp accounts
shortly.

He cycles through them on a regular basis. He loses accounts, then
just gets new ones. The solution is to have your news admin deal with
it on the server. If your news admin is running "cleanfeed" it should
deal with it automatically because it has a feature to pattern match
repeated posts to multiple groups.

I could easily do the same thing by running my news through my spambayes
proxy. But I don't really care enough to bother.

It would be so terribly useful if Mozilla/Firefox/Seamonkey would provide
the same message filter capabilities for news that it does for email.

I have asked them about it but they just get all testy and tell me to do
it myself.

-Chuck

Chuck Harris wrote:

Erekose is probably still there. I have used his services on a number of
occasions.

However, I have seen no sign that RCN filters anything out of their news
feeds.

It's crazy not to, because there is convenient automated software that
does the job for you, and integrates well into the two most popular news
server packages, INN and CNEWS.

And because Usenet propagates from site to site, if your server runs
cleanfeed, the benefit is seen by all of the sites downstream of it.
This means the guys they feed are happier too.

I could easily do the same thing by running my news through my spambayes
proxy. But I don't really care enough to bother.

It would be so terribly useful if Mozilla/Firefox/Seamonkey would provide
the same message filter capabilities for news that it does for email.

I have asked them about it but they just get all testy and tell me to do
it myself.

Doesn't it allow simple regexp searches in headers? rn did that twenty-five
years ago. Just kill anything with more than three commas in the Newsgroups:
line.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Scott Dorsey wrote:
Chuck Harris wrote:
Erekose is probably still there. I have used his services on a number of
occasions.

However, I have seen no sign that RCN filters anything out of their news
feeds.

It's crazy not to, because there is convenient automated software that
does the job for you, and integrates well into the two most popular news
server packages, INN and CNEWS.

As I understand things, it is a "common carrier" sort of thing. If you make
no effort to filter or censor a feed, then you are not responsible for its
content. If RCN were to make an effort to filter out junk like the MI5 stuff,
and other nasties, and they missed some, then they would be open to being sued
for what they missed. It is like the protection the telephone company has
against being sued because of folks that use the telephone to perform illegal
activities.

And because Usenet propagates from site to site, if your server runs
cleanfeed, the benefit is seen by all of the sites downstream of it.
This means the guys they feed are happier too.

I could easily do the same thing by running my news through my spambayes
proxy. But I don't really care enough to bother.

It would be so terribly useful if Mozilla/Firefox/Seamonkey would provide
the same message filter capabilities for news that it does for email.

I have asked them about it but they just get all testy and tell me to do
it myself.

Doesn't it allow simple regexp searches in headers? rn did that twenty-five
years ago. Just kill anything with more than three commas in the Newsgroups:
line.
--scott

No, Mozilla/Thunderbird/Seamonkey doesn't understand regular expressions. They
have never taken the email and newsreader portions very seriously. The best they
can do is to select on a word, or a part of a word... pretty dumb, actually.

-Chuck

Chuck Harris wrote:

As I understand things, it is a "common carrier" sort of thing. If you make
no effort to filter or censor a feed, then you are not responsible for its
content. If RCN were to make an effort to filter out junk like the MI5 stuff,
and other nasties, and they missed some, then they would be open to being sued
for what they missed. It is like the protection the telephone company has
against being sued because of folks that use the telephone to perform illegal
activities.

That's stupid. Dump RCN and get an account with a competently run news
server. Anybody who would hide behind that sort of reasoning has no business
connecting their machine to Usenet.

ISPs have NO common carrier protection of any sort... and if a good faith
effort at maintaining their feed isn't sufficient, that is no excuse not
to make such an effort...
--scott


--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Scott Dorsey wrote:
Chuck Harris wrote:
As I understand things, it is a "common carrier" sort of thing. If you make
no effort to filter or censor a feed, then you are not responsible for its
content. If RCN were to make an effort to filter out junk like the MI5 stuff,
and other nasties, and they missed some, then they would be open to being sued
for what they missed. It is like the protection the telephone company has
against being sued because of folks that use the telephone to perform illegal
activities.

That's stupid. Dump RCN and get an account with a competently run news
server. Anybody who would hide behind that sort of reasoning has no business
connecting their machine to Usenet.

I am not aware of RCN having made any statements on the subject. I am simply
telling you my understanding of the legal issue.

ISPs have NO common carrier protection of any sort...

Oh but they do! Otherwise they would be liable for all of the nasty
stuff goes over their feed. Things such as illegal downloads of copyrighted
material, software piracy, kiddie porn...

and if a good faith
effort at maintaining their feed isn't sufficient, that is no excuse not
to make such an effort...

Personally, I would prefer that they didn't attempt to be a censor of what
comes over my feed. There tastes might differ from my own. I would prefer
to control the filters.

-Chuck