You are so right, Tim. If you do a search on this reflector you will see
that I initiated (what became) a heated thread over a year ago about that
very fact. There is no reason whatsoever that CW ops should not be using the
space above 3600. In fact, I believe one of my tirades went so far as
suggest we CW ops start using the traditional phone spectrum above 3800 for
CW. Why not? It's legal and they took our spectrum so why shouldn't we
exercise our prerogative to use spectrum where we're not jammed in
elbow-to-elbow?

The purpose of my most recent posting, however, was just to try to establish
some common spot where vintage enthusiasts might listen with the hope of
finding someone running something other than Kensues or YaeCOMs. Maybe
they'll even be able to have something to talk about other than "RST QTH
NAME WX AGE and BEEN HAM..YRS" before saying 73.

One can dream, anyway.

QTX ZUT es 73 WA9VLK

Why do you think that you must stick to 3500 to 3600 khz. Last I
looked, cw was permited from 3500 to 4000 khz. Why not use 3600 to
3625 khz? It is virtually dead here on the West Coast. I have found
that 7100 to 7125 khz is a great place to work cw on 40 meters,
especially with my rock bound boatanchors. There is no reason not to
do the same for 80 meters.

Tim AA6DQ

On Nov 18, 1:45*pm, "SX-25" wrote:
You are so right, Tim. If you do a search on this reflector you will see
that I initiated (what became) a heated thread over a year ago about that
very fact. There is no reason whatsoever that CW ops should not be using the
space above 3600. In fact, I believe one of my tirades went so far as
suggest we CW ops start using the traditional phone spectrum above 3800 for
CW. Why not? It's legal and they took our spectrum so why shouldn't we
exercise our prerogative to use spectrum where we're not jammed in
elbow-to-elbow?

The purpose of my most recent posting, however, was just to try to establish
some common spot where vintage enthusiasts might listen with the hope of
finding someone running something other than Kensues or YaeCOMs. Maybe
they'll even be able to have something to talk about other than "RST QTH
NAME WX AGE and BEEN HAM..YRS" before saying 73.

One can dream, anyway.

QTX ZUT es 73 WA9VLK



Why do you think that you must stick to 3500 to 3600 khz. *Last I
looked, cw was permited from 3500 to 4000 khz. *Why not use 3600 to
3625 khz? *It is virtually dead here on the West Coast. *I have found
that 7100 to 7125 khz is a great place to work cw on 40 meters,
especially with my rock bound boatanchors. *There is no reason not to
do the same for 80 meters.

Tim AA6DQ

You are so right about the canned qso's. I have found that a
boatanchor transmitter is the best ice breaker for getting a rag chew
going. Now if we could just get DX stations to carry on a qso of more
than 15 seconds...

A side comment - as bad as some canned cw qso's are, PSK-31 is much
worse. I stopped using PSK-31 when I finally go around to configuring
my PSK-31 software and realized my qso was reduced to clicking three
different buttons.

Tim AA6DQ

Nobody wrote:

You are so right about the canned qso's. I have found that a
boatanchor transmitter is the best ice breaker for getting a rag chew
going. Now if we could just get DX stations to carry on a qso of more
than 15 seconds...


A side comment - as bad as some canned cw qso's are, PSK-31 is much
worse. I stopped using PSK-31 when I finally go around to configuring
my PSK-31 software and realized my qso was reduced to clicking three
different buttons.


Doesn't your keyboard work? I have macros for a couple things, like CQ,
and manually type most of my other stuff.

No one is making you use the macros.


And the comment is specious anyhow. If PSK31 is so bad because of these
clicks you seemed to be forced into using, then why do CW Ops end out
such shorthand instead of spelling out the entire word?

When I was first learning Morse, I kept thinking that I was not copying
correctly. It wasn't until I asked around to more experienced ops that
I found out the shorthand to CW operating. Modern day Morse comms were
the original L33T!

gd om tu de n3li

On Nov 25, 7:39*am, Michael Coslo wrote:
Nobody wrote:

You are so right about the canned qso's. *I have found that a
boatanchor transmitter is the best ice breaker for getting a rag chew
going. *Now if we could just get DX stations to carry on a qso of more
than 15 seconds...
A side comment - as bad as some canned cw qso's are, PSK-31 is much
worse. *I stopped using PSK-31 when I finally go around to configuring
my PSK-31 software and realized my qso was reduced to clicking three
different buttons.

Doesn't your keyboard work? I have macros for a couple things, like CQ,
and manually type most of my other stuff.

No one is making you use the macros.

* * * * And the comment is specious anyhow. If PSK31 is so bad because of these
clicks you seemed to be forced into using, then why do CW Ops end out
such shorthand instead of spelling out the entire word?

When I was first learning Morse, I kept thinking that I was not copying
correctly. It wasn't until I asked around *to more experienced ops that
I found out the shorthand to CW operating. Modern day Morse comms were
the original L33T!

gd om tu de n3li

My keyboard works just fine. There is absolutely nothing wrong with
shorthand, either via cw abreviations of PSK 31 canned responses. The
Q signals were the 1st form of canned messages.
What I observed with PSK31 was
1. most PSK31 ops tended to fall into the "3 click" qso mode after a
few months of operating and
2. more PSK-31 ops than CW ops tended to go for the rst/qth... type
qso rather than rag chewing.
Numerous attempts to get PSK31 ops to go beyond the "3 click" qso
failed.
In addition, several ops became impatient with my insisting on typing
out my responses. (BTW I type well over 45wpm so it is not a speed
thing per say). This lead me to investigate the canned response type
qso to see what the attraction was.

Perhaps you might want to review a few of the late 60's QST and CQ
magazine editorials that brought up the same observations with regard
to RTTY. Only the names change, the observations remain the same.

Tim AA6DQ

Nobody wrote:
Perhaps you might want to review a few of the late 60's QST and CQ
magazine editorials that brought up the same observations with regard
to RTTY. Only the names change, the observations remain the same.

The argument is valid for all modes, including even SSB.

"You're five and nine OM."

"Please repeat."

"You're five and nine.

"I don't copy, can you repeat that?"

"I said you were five and nine."

"Oh, yeah. You're five and nine too."

"What did you say? I missed that."
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

SX-25 wrote:

using the space above 3600. In fact, I believe one of my tirades went so
far as suggest we CW ops start using the traditional phone spectrum
above 3800 for CW. Why not? It's legal and they took our spectrum so why
shouldn't we exercise our prerogative to use spectrum where we're not
jammed in elbow-to-elbow?

I guess you are likewise most happy to have SSB in "your" CW segment?

The band segments are gentlemens agreements. Be a gentleman. I find the
agreement to be helpful, not a bad thing at all.


The purpose of my most recent posting, however, was just to try to
establish some common spot where vintage enthusiasts might listen with
the hope of finding someone running something other than Kensues or
YaeCOMs. Maybe they'll even be able to have something to talk about
other than "RST QTH NAME WX AGE and BEEN HAM..YRS" before saying 73.

Ahh. One of the most amusing things about some Hams is that they are
such control freaks that they demand other Hams behave exactly the same
way. Some great unwashed said "Roger" on your repeater. Quick - send him
and the FCC a letter telling him to stay off of it. Don't like
ragchewing ? - "Get those kids off my lawn!"


Seriously, Give it a try. Operate CW wherever the mood suits you. Maybe
open up on the Maritime net frequency. They have no more right to that
frequency than you do. And since CW is a superior mode, shouldn't you
have precedence anyhow? What will eventually happen is that Once SSB Ops
find out it's a brave new world without any border, they'll move down
into your backyard, and any idea who will win that little range war?


I think it's great to have vintage enthusiasts to have a watering hole.
I wouldn't think that comments like :

vintage enthusiasts might listen with
the hope of finding someone running something other than Kensues or
YaeCOMs.

Make it sound like you look at it as some sort of elite group, and
possibly not very friendly, except to those who are worthy.

Just sayin'


- 73 de Mike N3LI -

Jeezy Louisy...lighten up.

I started this whole thing just to suggest a calling frequency. The thread
is turning into
a moral indictment.

This is most likely the reason I find myself working on vintage gear a lot
more than
operating it.

SX-25 wrote:


Jeezy Louisy...lighten up.

I started this whole thing just to suggest a calling frequency. The
thread is turning into
a moral indictment.

This is most likely the reason I find myself working on vintage gear a
lot more than operating it.

If you think that CW Ops have had spectrum taken away from them on 75/80
when they have and still have access to the *entire band* from bottom to
top, You might want to try operating some more, OM! 8^)

- 73 de Mike N3LI -

Mike Coslo wrote:
SX-25 wrote:


Jeezy Louisy...lighten up.

I started this whole thing just to suggest a calling frequency. The
thread is turning into
a moral indictment.

This is most likely the reason I find myself working on vintage gear a
lot more than operating it.

If you think that CW Ops have had spectrum taken away from them on 75/80
when they have and still have access to the *entire band* from bottom to
top, You might want to try operating some more, OM! 8^)

- 73 de Mike N3LI -

This thread has really gone nutso. Shoot, you'd be hard pressed to make
a contest contact on 3599 on a contest weekend. I don't understand the
beef.

No 3599 xtal here but I'll certainly keep an ear out there even if
there's half a concensus for a good gathering spot.

-Bill WX4A/KP4

The band segments are gentlemens agreements. Be a gentleman. I find the
agreement to be helpful, not a bad thing at all.

Are these the same "gentlemen's agreements" we enjoy on contest weekends?
Try to operate and NOT be in the contest!


Ahh. One of the most amusing things about some Hams is that they are such
control freaks that they demand other Hams behave exactly the same way.
Some great unwashed said "Roger" on your repeater. Quick - send him and
the FCC a letter telling him to stay off of it. Don't like ragchewing ? -
"Get those kids off my lawn!"

Maybe some of us a sick of righteous snobbery from guys who didn't get into
the hobby
until
after they made the license easy enough; then they shoot off their mouths
with
their lookatmeimanextraclass callsigns and act like they own the hobby.


Maybe open up on the Maritime net frequency. They have no more right to
that
frequency than you do. And since CW is a superior mode, shouldn't you have
precedence anyhow? What will eventually happen is that Once SSB Ops find
out it's a brave new world without any border, they'll move down into your
backyard, and any idea who will win that little range war?

Your adolescent humour is as weak as your attempt at satire. By the way,
yes, CW IS a superior mode. That's why newbies like yourself are so
threatened
by it.


I think it's great to have vintage enthusiasts to have a watering hole. I
wouldn't think that comments like :
vintage enthusiasts might listen with
the hope of finding someone running something other than Kensues or
YaeCOMs.

I thought that was a pretty great comment.


Make it sound like you look at it as some sort of elite group, and
possibly not very friendly, except to those who are worthy.

Just sayin'


- 73 de Mike N3LI -

There are a lot of us who in fact do not feel the litter of
ham pups are worthy. They've (you've) done nothing to prove you earned
anything much
less belong to a fraternity of others who had to do much more to join.
Maybe some us us just want to talk to a genuine ham operator instead of
shallow transparent pretenders.

Quig