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If his certificate is 40 years old he will have passed the old written
exam and not the current multiple choice paper. Have you seen any of the
question papers from that era?

;-)
.
73 de Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI - mine's a pint.
.

he won't be able to understand the questions never mind write an answer in
longhand....just another ticky box dickhead.......nice to be in his killfile
though...he obviously is intimidated by quality ....

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On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 09:26:55 +0000, Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:

Someone please explain to the wally what provable lies about a person can
lead to. I can't be bothered!

Libel 1: "The pirate 2E0WYM here"

Libel 2: "masquerading as a full licensee"

Libel 3: "cashing in an allegedly 40 year old RAE pass certificate
to dodge the current, rigorous Full Licence exam."

I just wish he had the sense not to behave in this manner, particularly
in the groups that I frequent!

plonk)


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On 8/26/2013 5:26 AM, Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:
Wymsey wrote:
On Sun, 25 Aug 2013 10:57:47 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:

ROFLMAO. I would have loved to see that!

You should know that nearly everyone in ukra has a colourful past, some
more recent than others, some abusive, some not, as you will see if you
check out the postings of the person you are replying to.

More laughing guarranteed.


Indeed. The pirate 2E0WYM here, for example, is masquerading as a full
licensee, having avoided training to the correct standard by fortuitously
"finding" and cashing in an allegedly 40 year old RAE pass certificate to
dodge the current, rigorous Full Licence exam.


Hmmm, I don't know about over there, but here in the U.S., the tests
were MUCH harder 42 years ago when I passed my Amateur Extra exam.
Tests were administered by FCC personnel, not volunteer examiners. The
question pool was not published, and you had to actually know and
understand electronics and the laws to pass it. In fact, I found the
Amateur Extra to be harder than either the Second or First Class
Radiotelephone (commercial) test i had passed 9 months earlier (back
then you had to have General or above to test for the Amateur Extra).

Nowadays here you can sit in class, memorize the answers and pass all of
the tests before going home for dinner.


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On 26/08/13 10:40, Percy Picacity wrote:

AMI, that is almost certainly an actionable libel. Shame I doubt if you
have enough money to be worth suing.

Thanks for injecting some uncomfortable reality here, while noting it
isn't the first time you've said something on these lines to the person
concerned.

I see it's now gone rather quiet, for some reason, although it might be
that the backchannels could be a little busy.


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Hmmm, I don't know about over there, but here in the U.S., the tests were
MUCH harder 42 years ago when I passed my Amateur Extra exam. Tests were
administered by FCC personnel, not volunteer examiners.

spot on ...just dross in the hobby these days ......

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"Spike" wrote in message
...
On 26/08/13 10:40, Percy Picacity wrote:

AMI, that is almost certainly an actionable libel. Shame I doubt if you
have enough money to be worth suing.

Thanks for injecting some uncomfortable reality here, while noting it
isn't the first time you've said something on these lines to the person
concerned.

I see it's now gone rather quiet, for some reason, although it might be
that the backchannels could be a little busy.


Spike

he will be getting advice from his big mucker....he knows how to proceed in
these matters.

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"Fred Roberts" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 10:24:28 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:


I blame the masons...never mind the polis man probably paid dearly for
believing what another mason probably told him ......

Indeed, the plonker STC conveniently forgets or probably doesn't know
where the events ended.

true....karma

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Wymsey wrote:

He's just trying to wind me up Ian. He won't succeed

Clearly I have.



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Wymsey wrote:
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 09:26:55 +0000, Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:

Someone please explain to the wally what provable lies about a person can
lead to. I can't be bothered!

You can't be bothered, yet you're firing off replies all over the shop?
Looks like you're gotten to.


Libel 1: "The pirate 2E0WYM here"

Libel 2: "masquerading as a full licensee"

Libel 3: "cashing in an allegedly 40 year old RAE pass certificate
to dodge the current, rigorous Full Licence exam."


Chaz, you admitted that you dodged the Full exam by cashing in an old pass
certificate.

I just wish he had the sense not to behave in this manner, particularly
in the groups that I frequent!

plonk)


Didn't you have me killfiled already or was that a lie?

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Percy Picacity wrote:
In article ,
Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:

Wymsey wrote:
On Sun, 25 Aug 2013 10:57:47 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:

ROFLMAO. I would have loved to see that!

You should know that nearly everyone in ukra has a colourful past, some
more recent than others, some abusive, some not, as you will see if you
check out the postings of the person you are replying to.

More laughing guarranteed.


Indeed. The pirate 2E0WYM here, for example, is masquerading as a full
licensee, having avoided training to the correct standard by fortuitously
"finding" and cashing in an allegedly 40 year old RAE pass certificate to
dodge the current, rigorous Full Licence exam.

AMI, that is almost certainly an actionable libel. Shame I doubt if you
have enough money to be worth suing.

Percy, you spend too much time pontificating in uk.legal.moderated, my
hysterical friend.

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Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:
Wymsey wrote:
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 09:26:55 +0000, Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:

Someone please explain to the wally what provable lies about a person can
lead to. I can't be bothered!

You can't be bothered, yet you're firing off replies all over the shop?
Looks like you're gotten to.


Libel 1: "The pirate 2E0WYM here"

Libel 2: "masquerading as a full licensee"

Libel 3: "cashing in an allegedly 40 year old RAE pass certificate
to dodge the current, rigorous Full Licence exam."


Chaz, you admitted that you dodged the Full exam by cashing in an old pass
certificate.


Not only old, but also obsolete.

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"Stephen Thomas Cole" wrote in message
...
Percy Picacity wrote:
In article ,
Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:

Wymsey wrote:
On Sun, 25 Aug 2013 10:57:47 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:

ROFLMAO. I would have loved to see that!

You should know that nearly everyone in ukra has a colourful past, some
more recent than others, some abusive, some not, as you will see if you
check out the postings of the person you are replying to.

More laughing guarranteed.


Indeed. The pirate 2E0WYM here, for example, is masquerading as a full
licensee, having avoided training to the correct standard by
fortuitously
"finding" and cashing in an allegedly 40 year old RAE pass certificate
to
dodge the current, rigorous Full Licence exam.

AMI, that is almost certainly an actionable libel. Shame I doubt if you
have enough money to be worth suing.

Percy, you spend too much time pontificating in uk.legal.moderated, my
hysterical friend.


hoisted.......!

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Not only old, but also obsolete.


....and totally legal to use

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Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 8/26/2013 5:26 AM, Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:
Wymsey wrote:
On Sun, 25 Aug 2013 10:57:47 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:

ROFLMAO. I would have loved to see that!

You should know that nearly everyone in ukra has a colourful past, some
more recent than others, some abusive, some not, as you will see if you
check out the postings of the person you are replying to.

More laughing guarranteed.


Indeed. The pirate 2E0WYM here, for example, is masquerading as a full
licensee, having avoided training to the correct standard by fortuitously
"finding" and cashing in an allegedly 40 year old RAE pass certificate to
dodge the current, rigorous Full Licence exam.


Hmmm, I don't know about over there, but here in the U.S., the tests were
MUCH harder 42 years ago when I passed my Amateur Extra exam. Tests were
administered by FCC personnel, not volunteer examiners. The question
pool was not published, and you had to actually know and understand
electronics and the laws to pass it. In fact, I found the Amateur Extra
to be harder than either the Second or First Class Radiotelephone
(commercial) test i had passed 9 months earlier (back then you had to
have General or above to test for the Amateur Extra).

Nowadays here you can sit in class, memorize the answers and pass all of
the tests before going home for dinner.


Hi Jerry. The short response is; I'm yanking Charlie's chain. And it was a
glorious success, which is no surprise as he's *very* sensitive about it!
Chaz's biggest problem is his pomposity, and it's a great wheeze giving him
a kick up the arse and sending him into a flying fit.

I'm not denigrating the old style qualifications and exams, not at all. I'm
positive that they were more rigorous, standards were higher. The UK full
exam today, though, is not far removed from that which was extant in the
60s, which is when Chaz says he sat it (but bizarrely didn't convert it to
a licence for 4 decades!), the main difference being that it was long form
answers rather than multiple choice. Which isn't, to my mind, that big a
deal. If one knows something one should be able to quite easily write about
it. We don't get the answers pool over here, either.

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On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 12:32:55 +0100, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:


Well from what you have said Charlie is a pirate and a
cheat...simple...and all the people in the other groups crossposted to
will think the same thing......

Exactly.

He doesn't realise that some things are fine whilst other's are not. I
believe that if anyone could be bothered to check (ZZZZZZZZZZZ) what I
have posted to or about him they have in the main been about his
behaviour not him.

Probably the worse I said about him is that he is a troll and that if he
got laid then maybe we have a bit more peace. Which is somewhat ****
taking but hardly as abusive as what he implied about my secualaity or
his playground name calling. All small beer when compared to his current
behaviour.



Enough already :-)




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In message , Stephen Thomas Cole
writes
Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:
Wymsey wrote:
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 09:26:55 +0000, Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:

Someone please explain to the wally what provable lies about a person can
lead to. I can't be bothered!

You can't be bothered, yet you're firing off replies all over the shop?
Looks like you're gotten to.


Libel 1: "The pirate 2E0WYM here"

Libel 2: "masquerading as a full licensee"

Libel 3: "cashing in an allegedly 40 year old RAE pass certificate
to dodge the current, rigorous Full Licence exam."


Chaz, you admitted that you dodged the Full exam by cashing in an old pass
certificate.


Not only old, but also obsolete.

IIRC, the RAE pass certificate was valid for life. However, the morse
pass was only valid for 6 months, so if you didn't apply for a licence
within 6 months after passing the morse, you had to retake (and pass)
the test.
--
Ian

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Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Stephen Thomas Cole
writes
Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:
Wymsey wrote:
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 09:26:55 +0000, Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:

Someone please explain to the wally what provable lies about a person can
lead to. I can't be bothered!

You can't be bothered, yet you're firing off replies all over the shop?
Looks like you're gotten to.


Libel 1: "The pirate 2E0WYM here"

Libel 2: "masquerading as a full licensee"

Libel 3: "cashing in an allegedly 40 year old RAE pass certificate
to dodge the current, rigorous Full Licence exam."


Chaz, you admitted that you dodged the Full exam by cashing in an old pass
certificate.


Not only old, but also obsolete.

IIRC, the RAE pass certificate was valid for life. However, the morse
pass was only valid for 6 months, so if you didn't apply for a licence
within 6 months after passing the morse, you had to retake (and pass) the test.

Obsolete insofar as it was a pass for a long defunct qualification. That
there existed some bizarre loophole that Charlie was able to exploit in
order to dodge sitting the Full exam is, frankly, outrageous.

--
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it's probably because it was sent from my iPhone, likely whilst walking.
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In article ,
Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:


an old pass
certificate.


Not only old, but also obsolete.

Mine's still valid, AFAICT.

--

Percy Picacity

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On 8/26/2013 7:45 AM, Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 8/26/2013 5:26 AM, Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:
Wymsey wrote:
On Sun, 25 Aug 2013 10:57:47 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:

ROFLMAO. I would have loved to see that!

You should know that nearly everyone in ukra has a colourful past, some
more recent than others, some abusive, some not, as you will see if you
check out the postings of the person you are replying to.

More laughing guarranteed.


Indeed. The pirate 2E0WYM here, for example, is masquerading as a full
licensee, having avoided training to the correct standard by fortuitously
"finding" and cashing in an allegedly 40 year old RAE pass certificate to
dodge the current, rigorous Full Licence exam.


Hmmm, I don't know about over there, but here in the U.S., the tests were
MUCH harder 42 years ago when I passed my Amateur Extra exam. Tests were
administered by FCC personnel, not volunteer examiners. The question
pool was not published, and you had to actually know and understand
electronics and the laws to pass it. In fact, I found the Amateur Extra
to be harder than either the Second or First Class Radiotelephone
(commercial) test i had passed 9 months earlier (back then you had to
have General or above to test for the Amateur Extra).

Nowadays here you can sit in class, memorize the answers and pass all of
the tests before going home for dinner.


Hi Jerry. The short response is; I'm yanking Charlie's chain. And it was a
glorious success, which is no surprise as he's *very* sensitive about it!
Chaz's biggest problem is his pomposity, and it's a great wheeze giving him
a kick up the arse and sending him into a flying fit.


The short reply is you are an obnoxious troll who's life is so limited
you need to denigrate others to satisfy your own lack of self-esteem.

plonk

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In article ,
Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:
snip
Obsolete insofar as it was a pass for a long defunct qualification. That
there existed some bizarre loophole that Charlie was able to exploit in
order to dodge sitting the Full exam is, frankly, outrageous.

That's stupid, it is as much a qualification as the licence it might
have been used to obtain. Are your GCSE's still valid?

--

Percy Picacity

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That's stupid, it is as much a qualification as the licence it might
have been used to obtain. Are your GCSE's still valid?


Percy Picacity

bet he doesn't have any .......

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Are you, then, withdrawing your accusation of dishonesty, and claiming
it was merely the ramblings of an idiot? Rather than maliciously and
with forethought spreading internationally a lie that could discredit
someone in their chosen hobby?


Percy Picacity

I think Steve should make that clear ......

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In message , Stephen Thomas Cole
writes
Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Stephen Thomas Cole
writes
Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:
Wymsey wrote:
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 09:26:55 +0000, Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:

Someone please explain to the wally what provable lies about a person can
lead to. I can't be bothered!

You can't be bothered, yet you're firing off replies all over the shop?
Looks like you're gotten to.


Libel 1: "The pirate 2E0WYM here"

Libel 2: "masquerading as a full licensee"

Libel 3: "cashing in an allegedly 40 year old RAE pass certificate
to dodge the current, rigorous Full Licence exam."


Chaz, you admitted that you dodged the Full exam by cashing in an old pass
certificate.


Not only old, but also obsolete.

IIRC, the RAE pass certificate was valid for life. However, the morse
pass was only valid for 6 months, so if you didn't apply for a licence
within 6 months after passing the morse, you had to retake (and pass)
the test.

Obsolete insofar as it was a pass for a long defunct qualification. That
there existed some bizarre loophole that Charlie was able to exploit in
order to dodge sitting the Full exam is, frankly, outrageous.

Apart from having to go through the motions of obtaining Foundation and
Intermediate passes, an 'Advanced' pass isn't a higher qualification
than the RAE (or a HAREC) pass. Although OFCOM probably never foresaw
the possibility of some oddball coming forward after 40 years to claim
his prize - and so presumably wouldn't have made any provision for such,
I can see no real reason why an RAE pass should not be accepted.
--
Ian

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On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 12:10:55 +0000 (UTC), Stephen Thomas Cole
wrote:



Obsolete insofar as it was a pass for a long defunct qualification. That
there existed some bizarre loophole that Charlie was able to exploit in
order to dodge sitting the Full exam is, frankly, outrageous.
Rubbish, he passed the RAE and has the paperwork to prove it. You
obviously feel inferior to Charlie and are doing your best to
discredit him in order to pump your own low self esteem.

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"Fred Roberts" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 12:10:55 +0000 (UTC), Stephen Thomas Cole
wrote:


Obsolete insofar as it was a pass for a long defunct qualification. That
there existed some bizarre loophole that Charlie was able to exploit in
order to dodge sitting the Full exam is, frankly, outrageous.

For bizarre loophole and the exploitation thereof have a word with the
thousands of Class B ****s - masonman included - who took out a
kiddies licence (like you) to get on HF.

that can't be denied .......

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On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 13:26:58 +0100, Percy Picacity wrote:

That's stupid, it is as much a qualification as the licence it might
have been used to obtain. Are your GCSE's still valid?

Perhaps he's saying that old City & Guilds certificates are no longer
valid?! Tell that to the countless thousands of British technicians,
toolmakers, etc, who made have made his life so pleasant, his stays in
hospital(if any) safe and without whose work we would not have led to a
world where he would be able to spend his day fingering his iGadget.

This foot/mouth/brain stuff can lead a body up some very narrow creeks
with little room to turn around!



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On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 13:34:17 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:

lthough OFCOM probably never foresaw the possibility of some oddball
coming forward after 40 years to claim his prize - and so presumably
wouldn't have made any provision for such, I can see no real reason why
an RAE pass should not be accepted.

Not just this oddball! Lot's have people have come back to the hobby in
their 50s & 60s. Many of us are somewhat more qualified in radio and
electronics than just having passed the RAE and certainly more qualified
STC.



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Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 8/26/2013 7:45 AM, Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 8/26/2013 5:26 AM, Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:
Wymsey wrote:
On Sun, 25 Aug 2013 10:57:47 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:

ROFLMAO. I would have loved to see that!

You should know that nearly everyone in ukra has a colourful past, some
more recent than others, some abusive, some not, as you will see if you
check out the postings of the person you are replying to.

More laughing guarranteed.


Indeed. The pirate 2E0WYM here, for example, is masquerading as a full
licensee, having avoided training to the correct standard by fortuitously
"finding" and cashing in an allegedly 40 year old RAE pass certificate to
dodge the current, rigorous Full Licence exam.


Hmmm, I don't know about over there, but here in the U.S., the tests were
MUCH harder 42 years ago when I passed my Amateur Extra exam. Tests were
administered by FCC personnel, not volunteer examiners. The question
pool was not published, and you had to actually know and understand
electronics and the laws to pass it. In fact, I found the Amateur Extra
to be harder than either the Second or First Class Radiotelephone
(commercial) test i had passed 9 months earlier (back then you had to
have General or above to test for the Amateur Extra).

Nowadays here you can sit in class, memorize the answers and pass all of
the tests before going home for dinner.


Hi Jerry. The short response is; I'm yanking Charlie's chain. And it was a
glorious success, which is no surprise as he's *very* sensitive about it!
Chaz's biggest problem is his pomposity, and it's a great wheeze giving him
a kick up the arse and sending him into a flying fit.


The short reply is you are an obnoxious troll who's life is so limited
you need to denigrate others to satisfy your own lack of self-esteem.

plonk

Another sensitive type.

--
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it's probably because it was sent from my iPhone, likely whilst walking.
Apologies!

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Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Stephen Thomas Cole
writes
Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Stephen Thomas Cole
writes
Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:
Wymsey wrote:
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 09:26:55 +0000, Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:

Someone please explain to the wally what provable lies about a person can
lead to. I can't be bothered!

You can't be bothered, yet you're firing off replies all over the shop?
Looks like you're gotten to.


Libel 1: "The pirate 2E0WYM here"

Libel 2: "masquerading as a full licensee"

Libel 3: "cashing in an allegedly 40 year old RAE pass certificate
to dodge the current, rigorous Full Licence exam."


Chaz, you admitted that you dodged the Full exam by cashing in an old pass
certificate.


Not only old, but also obsolete.

IIRC, the RAE pass certificate was valid for life. However, the morse
pass was only valid for 6 months, so if you didn't apply for a licence
within 6 months after passing the morse, you had to retake (and pass) the test.

Obsolete insofar as it was a pass for a long defunct qualification. That
there existed some bizarre loophole that Charlie was able to exploit in
order to dodge sitting the Full exam is, frankly, outrageous.

Apart from having to go through the motions of obtaining Foundation and
Intermediate passes, an 'Advanced' pass isn't a higher qualification than
the RAE (or a HAREC) pass.

No, they're the same, that I accept. What I don't accept is that Chaz has
been tested to any competency with regards to current licence conditions
and regulatory matters, as he dodged sitting the correct exam for his
callsign by cashing in a decades old bit of paper. Whilst the RAE may be a
perfectly thorough qualification, what relevance does a pass certificate
from a 40 year old RAE have on the current licence conditions that
competence must be demonstrated in?

Although OFCOM probably never foresaw the possibility of some oddball
coming forward after 40 years to claim his prize - and so presumably
wouldn't have made any provision for such, I can see no real reason why
an RAE pass should not be accepted.

I'm tempted to write to OFCOM and point out this loophole, truth be told.
This is a backdoor that needs to be locked shut, quick.

--
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it's probably because it was sent from my iPhone, likely whilst walking.
Apologies!

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Percy Picacity wrote:
In article ,
Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:
snip
Obsolete insofar as it was a pass for a long defunct qualification. That
there existed some bizarre loophole that Charlie was able to exploit in
order to dodge sitting the Full exam is, frankly, outrageous.

That's stupid, it is as much a qualification as the licence it might
have been used to obtain. Are your GCSE's still valid?

I do believe that the licence that the qualification would have earned in
the 60s was rendered defunct and transferred to the current version when
the tiered system was introduced. So yes, obsolete.

--
If the above message is full of spelling mistakes or the snipping is duff,
it's probably because it was sent from my iPhone, likely whilst walking.
Apologies!

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I do believe that the licence that the qualification would have earned in
the 60s was rendered defunct and transferred to the current version when
the tiered system was introduced. So yes, obsolete.

Ignorance is no defence .....

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On Mon, 26 Aug 2013, Jerry Stuckle wrote:


Hmmm, I don't know about over there, but here in the U.S., the tests were
MUCH harder 42 years ago when I passed my Amateur Extra exam. Tests were
administered by FCC personnel, not volunteer examiners. The question pool
was not published, and you had to actually know and understand electronics
and the laws to pass it. In fact, I found the Amateur Extra to be harder
than either the Second or First Class Radiotelephone (commercial) test i had
passed 9 months earlier (back then you had to have General or above to test
for the Amateur Extra).

Nowadays here you can sit in class, memorize the answers and pass all of the
tests before going home for dinner.

I suspect it's subjective, people not having that vantage point.

I recently saw something in a more mainstream place about the test here in
Canada, and it was referred to as "hard". I find that hard to believe,
since when I took the test in 1972, it gave me full privilege except for
voice on HF. I had to draw some diagrams of simple equipment, and explain
what was going on. I don't really remember the written questions, I think
they were multiple choice. But I had no problem passing the test, except
I had to go back the next month to pass the code receiving test.

Now, the "starter" license doesn't allow one to build a transmitter, so
surely the test was simplified on that tradeoff.

But I guess someone coming into the hobby may see it as "hard" as I did
decades ago, simply because they have nothing to compare it to.

Of course, one difference was that I was actually interested in
electronics and radio, so I read everything I could get my hands on for
the year and a half before I took the test. I didn't really do much
studrying for the test, since at the time you had to be over 15 to take
the test, and I was 12 in 1972. But that rule was dropped in April of
1872, there was some warning, and I went and took the test as soon as I
could, May 1972. I think it would be a different thing if I thought the
test was burden to get over, and I set out to "pass the test" rather than
to learn things.

Michael VE2BVW

Crystal phasing & single signal reception
 

In article ,
Ian Jackson wrote:

In message , Stephen Thomas Cole
writes
Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Stephen Thomas Cole
writes
Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:
Wymsey wrote:
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 09:26:55 +0000, Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:

Someone please explain to the wally what provable lies about a person
can
lead to. I can't be bothered!

You can't be bothered, yet you're firing off replies all over the shop?
Looks like you're gotten to.


Libel 1: "The pirate 2E0WYM here"

Libel 2: "masquerading as a full licensee"

Libel 3: "cashing in an allegedly 40 year old RAE pass certificate
to dodge the current, rigorous Full Licence exam."


Chaz, you admitted that you dodged the Full exam by cashing in an old
pass
certificate.


Not only old, but also obsolete.

IIRC, the RAE pass certificate was valid for life. However, the morse
pass was only valid for 6 months, so if you didn't apply for a licence
within 6 months after passing the morse, you had to retake (and pass)
the test.

Obsolete insofar as it was a pass for a long defunct qualification. That
there existed some bizarre loophole that Charlie was able to exploit in
order to dodge sitting the Full exam is, frankly, outrageous.

Apart from having to go through the motions of obtaining Foundation and
Intermediate passes, an 'Advanced' pass isn't a higher qualification
than the RAE (or a HAREC) pass. Although OFCOM probably never foresaw
the possibility of some oddball coming forward after 40 years to claim
his prize - and so presumably wouldn't have made any provision for such,
I can see no real reason why an RAE pass should not be accepted.

Indeed, given the licensing terms at the time it would require
retrospective legislation to withdraw the RAE pass as a qualification.
Generally retrospective changes are avoided unless there is an important
reason they have to be made.

--

Percy Picacity

Crystal phasing & single signal reception
 

In article ,
Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:

Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Stephen Thomas Cole
writes
Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Stephen Thomas Cole
writes
Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:
Wymsey wrote:
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 09:26:55 +0000, Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:

Someone please explain to the wally what provable lies about a person
can
lead to. I can't be bothered!

You can't be bothered, yet you're firing off replies all over the shop?
Looks like you're gotten to.


Libel 1: "The pirate 2E0WYM here"

Libel 2: "masquerading as a full licensee"

Libel 3: "cashing in an allegedly 40 year old RAE pass certificate
to dodge the current, rigorous Full Licence exam."


Chaz, you admitted that you dodged the Full exam by cashing in an old
pass
certificate.


Not only old, but also obsolete.

IIRC, the RAE pass certificate was valid for life. However, the morse
pass was only valid for 6 months, so if you didn't apply for a licence
within 6 months after passing the morse, you had to retake (and pass)
the test.

Obsolete insofar as it was a pass for a long defunct qualification. That
there existed some bizarre loophole that Charlie was able to exploit in
order to dodge sitting the Full exam is, frankly, outrageous.

Apart from having to go through the motions of obtaining Foundation and
Intermediate passes, an 'Advanced' pass isn't a higher qualification than
the RAE (or a HAREC) pass.

No, they're the same, that I accept. What I don't accept is that Chaz has
been tested to any competency with regards to current licence conditions
and regulatory matters, as he dodged sitting the correct exam for his
callsign by cashing in a decades old bit of paper. Whilst the RAE may be a
perfectly thorough qualification, what relevance does a pass certificate
from a 40 year old RAE have on the current licence conditions that
competence must be demonstrated in?

Although OFCOM probably never foresaw the possibility of some oddball
coming forward after 40 years to claim his prize - and so presumably
wouldn't have made any provision for such, I can see no real reason why
an RAE pass should not be accepted.

I'm tempted to write to OFCOM and point out this loophole, truth be told.
This is a backdoor that needs to be locked shut, quick.

The direct implication of your suggestion, which will not be universally
welcomed, is that licensed amateurs should be retested regularly for the
same reason. In any case, I cannot think of any way in which the
requirements have become more onerous or significantly different;
rather the reverse.

--

Percy Picacity

Crystal phasing & single signal reception
 

Percy Picacity wrote:
In article ,
Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:

Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Stephen Thomas Cole
writes
Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Stephen Thomas Cole
writes
Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:
Wymsey wrote:
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 09:26:55 +0000, Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:

Someone please explain to the wally what provable lies about a person
can
lead to. I can't be bothered!

You can't be bothered, yet you're firing off replies all over the shop?
Looks like you're gotten to.


Libel 1: "The pirate 2E0WYM here"

Libel 2: "masquerading as a full licensee"

Libel 3: "cashing in an allegedly 40 year old RAE pass certificate
to dodge the current, rigorous Full Licence exam."


Chaz, you admitted that you dodged the Full exam by cashing in an old
pass
certificate.


Not only old, but also obsolete.

IIRC, the RAE pass certificate was valid for life. However, the morse
pass was only valid for 6 months, so if you didn't apply for a licence
within 6 months after passing the morse, you had to retake (and pass)
the test.

Obsolete insofar as it was a pass for a long defunct qualification. That
there existed some bizarre loophole that Charlie was able to exploit in
order to dodge sitting the Full exam is, frankly, outrageous.

Apart from having to go through the motions of obtaining Foundation and
Intermediate passes, an 'Advanced' pass isn't a higher qualification than
the RAE (or a HAREC) pass.

No, they're the same, that I accept. What I don't accept is that Chaz has
been tested to any competency with regards to current licence conditions
and regulatory matters, as he dodged sitting the correct exam for his
callsign by cashing in a decades old bit of paper. Whilst the RAE may be a
perfectly thorough qualification, what relevance does a pass certificate
from a 40 year old RAE have on the current licence conditions that
competence must be demonstrated in?

Although OFCOM probably never foresaw the possibility of some oddball
coming forward after 40 years to claim his prize - and so presumably
wouldn't have made any provision for such, I can see no real reason why
an RAE pass should not be accepted.

I'm tempted to write to OFCOM and point out this loophole, truth be told.
This is a backdoor that needs to be locked shut, quick.

The direct implication of your suggestion, which will not be universally
welcomed, is that licensed amateurs should be retested regularly for the
same reason.

That sounds like a perfectly reasonable idea to me. A "top up" test every 5
years to retain your licence would certainly help raise standards. The same
can be said for driving licences, whilst I'm I'm on my soapbox...

In any case, I cannot think of any way in which the
requirements have become more onerous or significantly different;
rather the reverse.

The fact is, though, that the licence conditions and regulatory matters
that are an integral part of the full licence are completely different to
those from the 1960s. By dodging the Full exam, Charlie has not
demonstrated competence in those areas as they pertain to the current
situation, yet his M0 call allows him to build equipment and run it at full
power.

Consider for a moment if Brian had done what Chaz has. There would be a
dozen people in ukra out for his blood over it.

--
If the above message is full of spelling mistakes or the snipping is duff,
it's probably because it was sent from my iPhone, likely whilst walking.
Apologies!

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That sounds like a perfectly reasonable idea to me. A "top up" test every
5
years to retain your licence would certainly help raise standards.

I don't think we could stoop THAT low ......


The same
can be said for driving licences, whilst I'm I'm on my soapbox...

just ban mummin drivers...job done...


In any case, I cannot think of any way in which the
requirements have become more onerous or significantly different;
rather the reverse.

what about valves then? .... hammy mens should not be allowed to operate
valve equipment .....is that what you are saying? ...


The fact is, though, that the licence conditions and regulatory matters
that are an integral part of the full licence are completely different to
those from the 1960s. By dodging the Full exam, Charlie has not
demonstrated competence in those areas as they pertain to the current
situation, yet his M0 call allows him to build equipment and run it at
full
power.

Consider for a moment if Brian had done what Chaz has. There would be a
dozen people in ukra out for his blood over it.

naw ...he just became an M3 ........

Crystal phasing & single signal reception
 

On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 14:40:33 +0100, Percy Picacity wrote:

What I don't accept is that Chaz
has been tested to any competency with regards to current licence
conditions and regulatory matters, as he dodged sitting the correct
exam for his callsign by cashing in a decades old bit of paper. Whilst
the RAE may be a perfectly thorough qualification, what relevance does
a pass certificate from a 40 year old RAE have on the current licence
conditions that competence must be demonstrated in?

What STC does not realize is that I have the same qualifications as he
does plus a proper C & G qualification and decades of appropriate
experience. He really should do some research before he spouts off.

On 30th March 2007 I took the Foundation Examination and passed,
Candidate Number 17526.

On the same evening, 30th March 2007 I took the Intermediate Examination
and passed. Same Candidate Number.

His continual insulting behaviour is now terminally boring.

I suggest we close this thread and let him get on with it.

--
M0WYM
Sales @ radiowymsey
http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Sales-At-Radio-Wymsey/
http://sales-at-radio-wymsey.ebid.net/

Crystal phasing & single signal reception
 

Wymsey wrote:
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 14:40:33 +0100, Percy Picacity wrote:

What I don't accept is that Chaz
has been tested to any competency with regards to current licence
conditions and regulatory matters, as he dodged sitting the correct
exam for his callsign by cashing in a decades old bit of paper. Whilst
the RAE may be a perfectly thorough qualification, what relevance does
a pass certificate from a 40 year old RAE have on the current licence
conditions that competence must be demonstrated in?

What STC does not realize is that I have the same qualifications as he
does plus a proper C & G qualification and decades of appropriate
experience. He really should do some research before he spouts off.

None of which are pertinent in demonstrating competence in the licence
conditions and regulatory matters that are germane to the licence class
that you now hold and operate under having cashed in your RAE 40 years
after the fact.


On 30th March 2007 I took the Foundation Examination and passed,
Candidate Number 17526.

On the same evening, 30th March 2007 I took the Intermediate Examination
and passed. Same Candidate Number.


So, you acknowledge that you have been tested and shown competent to
operate under your 2E0WYM call and no higher. Thank you.

His continual insulting behaviour is now terminally boring.


Says the guy following me around unn.* hurling insults at me.

I suggest we close this thread and let him get on with it.

I'm happy to walk away from this, my position having been vindicated.

--
If the above message is full of spelling mistakes or the snipping is duff,
it's probably because it was sent from my iPhone, likely whilst walking.
Apologies!

Crystal phasing & single signal reception
 

I'm happy to walk away from this, my position having been vindicated.


no such thing...

Crystal phasing & single signal reception
 

On 26/08/13 14:40, Percy Picacity wrote:

The direct implication......is that licensed amateurs should be retested regularly for the
same reason. In any case, I cannot think of any way in which the
requirements have become more onerous or significantly different;
rather the reverse.

About 3 years ago someone kindly posted in link to the sample paper on
the IRTS site - the 60 questions in 2 hours one.

I finished in 20 minutes with a score of 90%, let down through two
arithmetical errors and a lack of familiarity with the EI licence
conditions.

A real exam would have got me a HAREC, and the club-administered Morse
test would be simplicity itself. Two-letter EI call in prospect?

If regular re-testing was brought in, just think of the thousands of
lifetime FLs that would fail - but it won't happen, the income stream's
too much of a draw.

--
Spike