With out doubt, most new hardware looks like its built to be thrown away
and crushed.
"Built in absolesance" Its a dam shame !
Id agree on Tek for scopes and HP for analyzers, if you look on Ebay HP
"as is" scopes with problems must out number the Tek's 10-1.
(Many developed push button/switchpad related problems)

"gw" wrote in message isn't it true that the older
stuff is built like a battleship and
isn't as proprietary and can be repaired with user obtainable parts?
I always heard tek for scopes and hp for analyzers. Any thoughts on
that?

The saddest problems I have found with the HP gear is purely their own
fault. When they made the horizontal timing knobs for their 80's
vintage scopes, they made them out of plastic, and carved large slots in
the space between the outer part you turn with your fingers and the
inner part that turns the knob. This left very little plastic to take
the torque of turning the knob. Once they break there is no easy way
of repairing them.

The other big problem is their use of delrin gears with aluminum hubs
just about everywhere. And after 15 years, they are all broken. The
HP8640B is built like a tank, but everyone I have ever had came with
several gears that had split due to shrinkage.

-Chuck

RP Jones wrote:
With out doubt, most new hardware looks like its built to be thrown away
and crushed.
"Built in absolesance" Its a dam shame !
Id agree on Tek for scopes and HP for analyzers, if you look on Ebay HP
"as is" scopes with problems must out number the Tek's 10-1.
(Many developed push button/switchpad related problems)

"gw" wrote in message isn't it true that the older
stuff is built like a battleship and

isn't as proprietary and can be repaired with user obtainable parts?
I always heard tek for scopes and hp for analyzers. Any thoughts on
that?

"RP Jones" wrote in message . ..
With out doubt, most new hardware looks like its built to be thrown away
and crushed.
"Built in absolesance" Its a dam shame !
Id agree on Tek for scopes and HP for analyzers, if you look on Ebay HP
"as is" scopes with problems must out number the Tek's 10-1.
(Many developed push button/switchpad related problems)

"gw" wrote in message isn't it true that the older
stuff is built like a battleship and
isn't as proprietary and can be repaired with user obtainable parts?
I always heard tek for scopes and hp for analyzers. Any thoughts on
that?

what is a good spectrum analyzer to have for a home shop in your
opinion, and also what is a good scope to have and do you have to
break the bank on this stuff? thanks.

RP Jones wrote:
I don't know I wasn't stupid enough to even think about calling GTE.
Actually "now that I remember"
I had called Tek to enquire about a 465 B faceplate, this guy totally "lost
his wig" before I even got to speak about owning a 2232.
$^% 465 !! jokingly told me "THIS ISN'T SANFORD AND SON"

The repair depot in Washington DC has one old guy who likes working on the
older gear, and has some limited parts supply for them. Last year he spent
an awful lot of time getting the 100V supply on my 610 video monitor working
reliably, and I can strongly recommend the DC folks.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

It's bad to trash a good used O-scope, but how about this?

There was a big music store around Pittsburgh that sold electronic organs. Big
ones, with a lot of sales to churches. When they made a sale to a church, they
promised to haul away the old pipe organ. Well, the first thing they would do
is put an axe thru all the pipes and mechnaisms of that pipe organ, rather than
have some other church use it to fix up their "obsolete" pipe organ, rather
than buy a new electronic job from you-know-who.

The amount of craftsmanship and fine handiwork in even a mediocre small pipe
organ is equal to a pallet load of R390As. --Mike K.

Oscar loves trash, but hates Spam! Delete him to reply to me.

"Mike Knudsen" wrote in message
...
It's bad to trash a good used O-scope, but how about this?

There was a big music store around Pittsburgh that sold electronic
organs. Big
ones, with a lot of sales to churches. When they made a sale to a
church, they
promised to haul away the old pipe organ. Well, the first thing they
would do
is put an axe thru all the pipes and mechnaisms of that pipe organ,
rather than
have some other church use it to fix up their "obsolete" pipe organ,
rather
than buy a new electronic job from you-know-who.

The amount of craftsmanship and fine handiwork in even a mediocre
small pipe
organ is equal to a pallet load of R390As. --Mike K.

Oscar loves trash, but hates Spam! Delete him to reply to me.


Owww. That hurts. Hey, I grew up in a town with an actual pipe organ
shop!!

http://www.berghausorgan.com/index.html

Frank Dresser

Mike Knudsen wrote:

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It's bad to trash a good used O-scope, but how about this?

There was a big music store around Pittsburgh that sold electronic organs.
Big ones, with a lot of sales to churches. When they made a sale to a
church, they promised to haul away the old pipe organ. Well, the first
thing they would do is put an axe thru all the pipes and mechnaisms of
that pipe organ, rather than have some other church use it to fix up
their "obsolete" pipe organ, rather than buy a new electronic job from
you-know-who.

This brings tears to my eyes. There are many ways of disposing of
used pipe organ parts to build hybrids, destroying is not one of them.

Don K6LTS
Nor-Cal/ATOS
See our website at http://www.theatreorgans.com/norcal/
email: take out the garbage

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:36:38 -0500, Radioman wrote:

Come to think of it, HP ain't the old HP anymore, huh?

They even advertise, The New HP!

IIRC HP broke into several different companies - the one that makes
computers absorbed Compaq (or was it the other way around) and the
one that makes printer stuff is the "new HP".

The one that made (from the start) and still makes some of the best
test equipment now has a new name.

It shudd'a been the other way around.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

Hi,

HP test equipment and medical equipment were spun off as www.agilent.com

the pc and printer business was merged with equal of Compaq
(the m & a teams always call these a merger of equals !)

hp or we call it hpaq now has the hp line and the compaq lines along with

the tandem and dec lines from the compaq mergers with tandem and digital
equipment co.

and HP has ordered three new corporate jets after all the layoffs from
the merger of equals.

the #1 guy at compaq jumped ship after the merger to take over worldcom.



Phil wrote:

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:36:38 -0500, Radioman wrote:

Come to think of it, HP ain't the old HP anymore, huh?

They even advertise, The New HP!

IIRC HP broke into several different companies - the one that makes
computers absorbed Compaq (or was it the other way around) and the
one that makes printer stuff is the "new HP".

The one that made (from the start) and still makes some of the best
test equipment now has a new name.

It shudd'a been the other way around.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

james wrote:
Hi,

HP test equipment and medical equipment were spun off as www.agilent.com

the pc and printer business was merged with equal of Compaq
(the m & a teams always call these a merger of equals !)

hp or we call it hpaq now has the hp line and the compaq lines along with

the tandem and dec lines from the compaq mergers with tandem and digital
equipment co.

and HP has ordered three new corporate jets after all the layoffs from
the merger of equals.

the #1 guy at compaq jumped ship after the merger to take over worldcom.

And your point is???

The ability to trash or praise any convolution of corporate structure
must lead to a point, the most simplistic being that they were Gods
before and now they are all Devils.
Even without my ESP-lamp turned on I see what you are trying to convey
but the point is lost to any mortal below my level.
Are you saying that new managers and mergers are a good thing or a bad
thing.?
-BM