Mike Coslo wrote:
Bill Turner wrote:

THE WORST PART OF IS THAT ALL WHO SELL ON EBAY (AND THE INTERNET) ARE
PAINTED WITH THE THE SAME BRUSH.


Right, Bill! I've no doubt that the majority of Ebay users are fine
honest folks.

I think you misunderstood Bill's posting. I believe he was referring to
you (Mike) "painting with the the same brush" all of the users of ebay.

-Chuck

Those without common sense will be defrauded and that is a fact in all
facets of live.



Mike Coslo wrote:
lid wrote:

What the hell does this mean ? Everyone is an individual and thus
should be treated as such.

The guy that had the two bad experiences doesn't have what is called
"common sense."


Those without common sense must be defrauded, eh?

- Mike KB3EIA -

Yup Pope material for sure. Also a well put statement

Bill M wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote:

Bill Turner wrote:

THE WORST PART OF IS THAT ALL WHO SELL ON EBAY (AND THE INTERNET) ARE
PAINTED WITH THE THE SAME BRUSH.



Right, Bill! I've no doubt that the majority of Ebay users are
fine honest folks.

But they are allowing the bad guys to co-opt their system.


How do you figure that? I've been screwed by many more grinning vendors
at hamfests than from ebay sellers and nobody seems to be screaming
about trying to clean them up.
I don't think you'll disagree that there's a certain portion of the
population who are going to screw other people whether its sitting in
church pilfering the offering plate or behind prison walls.
Why would you think that ebay could (or should) have some method of
creating an artifically "safe" segment of society? Just how would they
go about doing such a thing? Shoot, if you have a solution then I
nominate you for Pope.

-Bill M

If there is a God please keep this guy away from eBay it doesn't desire
him.



Chuck Harris wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote:

Chuck Harris wrote:


What on earth is an ebay apologist? Someone who is employed by ebay?




You.


I see, so, it's ok for you to tar the entire ebay mechanism, and
community, because
you don't like it, but it isn't ok for me to try and explain why the
problems you
have faced, are of your own making?

Sounds fair to me.

-Chuck

"Bill M" wrote

How do you figure that? I've been screwed by many more grinning vendors
at hamfests than from ebay sellers and nobody seems to be screaming
about trying to clean them up.


**** I cannot get over you admitting you have been screwed how many
times????
I thought it was "once bitten,twice shy"
Or are you just too stupid to learn?

Brian Goldsmith.

Brian Goldsmith wrote:
"Bill M" wrote

How do you figure that? I've been screwed by many more grinning vendors
at hamfests than from ebay sellers and nobody seems to be screaming
about trying to clean them up.


**** I cannot get over you admitting you have been screwed how many
times????
I thought it was "once bitten,twice shy"
Or are you just too stupid to learn?

Brian Goldsmith.


Yeah, its a damn pity we can't force hamfest vendors to wear feedback signs!

-Bill

Brian Goldsmith wrote:
"Bill M" wrote

How do you figure that? I've been screwed by many more grinning vendors
at hamfests than from ebay sellers and nobody seems to be screaming
about trying to clean them up.


**** I cannot get over you admitting you have been screwed how many
times????
I thought it was "once bitten,twice shy"
Or are you just too stupid to learn?

Learn not to go to hamfests? Might as well learn to be a monk!

I doubt that very many folks would return to buy from a vendor that cheated
them, but there are so many vendors. Some honest, and some not.

Ebay is the same thing, but better, because there is a feedback mechanism,
and with a few small changes to the feedback mechanism, it could be
extraordinary!

But that is where I entered this thread; advocating changing the feeback
mechanism so that *nobody* could see the feedback for a given transaction
until both parties had contributed their feedback, and adding a transaction
counter, so you could detect bad vendors that purposefully tried to game the
system by not giving feedback.

-Chuck Harris


Brian Goldsmith.

Chuck Harris wrote:

But that is where I entered this thread; advocating changing the feeback
mechanism so that *nobody* could see the feedback for a given transaction
until both parties had contributed their feedback, and adding a transaction
counter, so you could detect bad vendors that purposefully tried to game
the
system by not giving feedback.

There's a better way to handle that situation - for "unmatched"
feedbacks - make the one-sided feedback visible after 90 days - then all
can see it - PLUS it's too late for retaliatory feedback...

best regards...
--
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com

If that were the case, there wouldn't be any hamfests.
Gary...
..
"Bill M" wrote in message
...
Brian Goldsmith wrote:
"Bill M" wrote

How do you figure that? I've been screwed by many more grinning vendors
at hamfests than from ebay sellers and nobody seems to be screaming
about trying to clean them up.


**** I cannot get over you admitting you have been screwed how many
times????
I thought it was "once bitten,twice shy"
Or are you just too stupid to learn?

Brian Goldsmith.


Yeah, its a damn pity we can't force hamfest vendors to wear feedback
signs!

-Bill

GBrown wrote:

If that were the case, there wouldn't be any hamfests.
Gary...

Exactly my point. OP suggested that ebay was somehow responsible for
making people behave and his opposition suggested that sheep are to be
fleeced.
Somewhere in the middle common sense, if not a bucketful of luck, should
prevail if a buyer hopes to have a good success ratio of good vs bad
deals whether its ebay, hamfests, Walmart or used car lots.
Counting on people who sell things to please everybody 100% is naivete.

-BM

Randy or Sherry Guttery wrote:
Chuck Harris wrote:

But that is where I entered this thread; advocating changing the feeback
mechanism so that *nobody* could see the feedback for a given transaction
until both parties had contributed their feedback, and adding a
transaction
counter, so you could detect bad vendors that purposefully tried to
game the
system by not giving feedback.


There's a better way to handle that situation - for "unmatched"
feedbacks - make the one-sided feedback visible after 90 days - then all
can see it - PLUS it's too late for retaliatory feedback...

best regards...

That is better! Now if we could just get ebay to implement the change...

-Chuck

Chuck Harris wrote:

Randy or Sherry Guttery wrote:

Chuck Harris wrote:

But that is where I entered this thread; advocating changing the feeback
mechanism so that *nobody* could see the feedback for a given
transaction
until both parties had contributed their feedback, and adding a
transaction
counter, so you could detect bad vendors that purposefully tried to
game the
system by not giving feedback.



There's a better way to handle that situation - for "unmatched"
feedbacks - make the one-sided feedback visible after 90 days - then
all can see it - PLUS it's too late for retaliatory feedback...

best regards...


That is better! Now if we could just get ebay to implement the change...

-Chuck


I've always found ebay to be very responsive to the demands of its
users. I dont necessarily agree with Randy's solution but there are
people smarter than me making these decisions.
The crapola about it going to hell in a handbag from a clown that has
used ebay two times several years ago is unfounded.
ebay is well obliged to a zillion member user base. Old timey hardware
store methodology is passé.
I don't know how that translates to the credit card of a brother-in-law
of a girlfriend that was used by OP wound up getting
hacked...whatever. You call the 800 number of the card and thats the
end of that. Its 2004.
As much as one should recognize the threats of online purchasing one
should also understand/learn the remedies if a deal goes bad.

-BM

Bill M wrote:

end of that. Its 2004.


I know you've been busy, but its 2005! ;-)

--
Former professional electron wrangler.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Bill M wrote:

end of that. Its 2004.



I know you've been busy, but its 2005! ;-)

Ya got me there, Michael A.

-Bill

Bill M wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Bill M wrote:

end of that. Its 2004.



I know you've been busy, but its 2005! ;-)

Ya got me there, Michael A.

-Bill

No biggie but I just couldn't let it slip past, could I? ;-)
--
Former professional electron wrangler.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Bill M wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Bill M wrote:

No biggie but I just couldn't let it slip past, could I? ;-)

I know you :-)

-Bill

I returned the NC-270 ("mint, I can find nothing to fault on this
receiver")two weeks ago. It cost me $35.50 to have it sent to me, but
only $11.91 to return it, insured, to Martyn. I waited a week after UPS
tracking said it was delivered, asked, and was told "I've been too busy
to open it. I'll get it tomorrow." I waited another week, then filed a
complaint with PayPal. I was told, "This will only delay your credit.
Withdraw your complaint and I'll credit you right away." I left it with
PayPal. Then I left Negative Feedback on Ebay. I think my negative was
honest and restrained, "Equipment was over-represented, not Mint."

In reply I was called a liar. He stated that he had given me credit(he
hasn't yet), and, oh my God, placed me on his "blocked bidders" list!
That was the biggest blow, since I have learned nothing and want to
throw more money down the rat hole!

Martin

Hi, Gang

I've been following the Radio-Mart saga with interest.

One of my early eBay purchases was a "mint" Turner ceramic hand mic
from a "MartynA". It arrived with a filed notch in the PTT button,
so the CBer or whoever could keep talking without the +effort+
of holding the PTT switch closed. I wonder if it was the same seller.


73,
Ed Knobloch

On 5 May 2005 10:00:41 -0700, wrote:


I returned the NC-270 ("mint, I can find nothing to fault on this
receiver")two weeks ago. It cost me $35.50 to have it sent to me, but
only $11.91 to return it, insured, to Martyn. I waited a week after UPS
tracking said it was delivered, asked, and was told "I've been too busy
to open it. I'll get it tomorrow." I waited another week, then filed a
complaint with PayPal. I was told, "This will only delay your credit.
Withdraw your complaint and I'll credit you right away." I left it with
PayPal. Then I left Negative Feedback on Ebay. I think my negative was
honest and restrained, "Equipment was over-represented, not Mint."

In reply I was called a liar. He stated that he had given me credit(he
hasn't yet), and, oh my God, placed me on his "blocked bidders" list!
That was the biggest blow, since I have learned nothing and want to
throw more money down the rat hole!

Martin

I was admiring that National awhile back -- glad I passed it up.

Ya gotta give Radio Mart credit, the guy takes good pictures; kinda
like the used car dealers who shine their cars up so they look good
under the lights at night. The red velvet doesn't hurt either.

Bob
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