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Despite what I read here, I bid on some Ebay items offered by
Radio-Mart. I thought I was safe as both items were "Mint" in his descriptions. First, an NC-270 w/manual, Mint. Paid about $270, surely a mint price. It arrived yesterday in certainly less than mint condition. To wit, Case scratched, front panel chipped, "eyebrow" bezel corroded, knobs were so groddy tht the color could not be distinguished, fold up front case stand scratched and bent. On a 1-10 scale, I rate a 7. Second, a Yaesu FT-401B, Mint, Restored. Paid $180, a good price. Arrived single boxed, in bubble pack. Box was reinforced with plywood. The front panel of this 70 lb rig easily popped the one layer of bubble wrap and bent the main tuning spinner. Rig was filthly and non-operational. I spent, no joke, 7 hrs cleaning this rig. The pc boards are still messy. Found a jumperwire on the receiver board broken. This "Mint" rig an 8 outside; inside, a 4. In addition to the grunge, it is missing 2 tube shields. I have not had the time to test for operation since repair. How does he get ANY positve feedback? He has some Collins gear that sold for thousands of dollars. If they were as inaccurately described as these, the buyers must be livid. He has offered refund, but I have $70 in shipping one way. |
"Ron" wrote in message ...
So you are a dissatisfied customer and your only recourse is to give Radio-Mart some bad feedback - are you? I believe it is your duty to give this guy some bad feedback but you are setting yourself up to get some back in return. Other than out and out lying this guy seems to be doing quite well via eBay and people that keep on buying from him. He seems to also have a never ending supply of equipment. I sure hope other enterprising people don't starting using this guy as an example as to how to make money on eBay. I expect that if Radio-Mart actually tried to be honest in his descriptions he would still do quite nicely via eBay. Life goes on, Ron WA0KDS wrote: Despite what I read here, I bid on some Ebay items offered by Radio-Mart. I thought I was safe as both items were "Mint" in his descriptions. First, an NC-270 w/manual, Mint. Paid about $270, surely a mint price. It arrived yesterday in certainly less than mint condition. To wit, Case scratched, front panel chipped, "eyebrow" bezel corroded, knobs were so groddy tht the color could not be distinguished, fold up front case stand scratched and bent. On a 1-10 scale, I rate a 7. Second, a Yaesu FT-401B, Mint, Restored. Paid $180, a good price. Arrived single boxed, in bubble pack. Box was reinforced with plywood. The front panel of this 70 lb rig easily popped the one layer of bubble wrap and bent the main tuning spinner. Rig was filthly and non-operational. I spent, no joke, 7 hrs cleaning this rig. The pc boards are still messy. Found a jumperwire on the receiver board broken. This "Mint" rig an 8 outside; inside, a 4. In addition to the grunge, it is missing 2 tube shields. I have not had the time to test for operation since repair. How does he get ANY positve feedback? He has some Collins gear that sold for thousands of dollars. If they were as inaccurately described as these, the buyers must be livid. He has offered refund, but I have $70 in shipping one way. My question is, if he knew this guy had a bad reputation, he read many bad comments - WHY THE HELL did he buy off him? Makes no sense to me......... If I read a ton of bad messages about someone - there is no way in hell I'm buying off them, I don't care who they are. cl |
Oh its like a little kid sticking his finger in a fan. He knows its going to
hurt but he does it anyway. Fool and money soon parted etc. My question is, if he knew this guy had a bad reputation, he read many bad comments - WHY THE HELL did he buy off him? Makes no sense to me......... If I read a ton of bad messages about someone - there is no way in hell I'm buying off them, I don't care who they are. cl |
He has offered refund, but I have $70 in shipping one way. In the end, I have to agree that if you knew about Marty and then went ahead and did business with him, you shouldn't be surprised at the outcome. I buy and sell on the net and have been watching this person as a diversion. After reading his bad feedback and all the rest, I can't say that I would knock down his door looking for a great deal. Mint..... heh heh heh... rgds, Mark S. |
So, what is the issue?
You read his feedback in advance, so you knew you would receive junk. You received junk. Sounds like everything is in its' proper place! .....Dave wrote in message oups.com... Despite what I read here, I bid on some Ebay items offered by Radio-Mart. I thought I was safe as both items were "Mint" in his descriptions. First, an NC-270 w/manual, Mint. Paid about $270, surely a mint price. It arrived yesterday in certainly less than mint condition. To wit, Case scratched, front panel chipped, "eyebrow" bezel corroded, knobs were so groddy tht the color could not be distinguished, fold up front case stand scratched and bent. On a 1-10 scale, I rate a 7. Second, a Yaesu FT-401B, Mint, Restored. Paid $180, a good price. Arrived single boxed, in bubble pack. Box was reinforced with plywood. The front panel of this 70 lb rig easily popped the one layer of bubble wrap and bent the main tuning spinner. Rig was filthly and non-operational. I spent, no joke, 7 hrs cleaning this rig. The pc boards are still messy. Found a jumperwire on the receiver board broken. This "Mint" rig an 8 outside; inside, a 4. In addition to the grunge, it is missing 2 tube shields. I have not had the time to test for operation since repair. How does he get ANY positve feedback? He has some Collins gear that sold for thousands of dollars. If they were as inaccurately described as these, the buyers must be livid. He has offered refund, but I have $70 in shipping one way. |
cl wrote:
My question is, if he knew this guy had a bad reputation, he read many bad comments - WHY THE HELL did he buy off him? Makes no sense to me......... If I read a ton of bad messages about someone - there is no way in hell I'm buying off them, I don't care who they are. It's Ebay. that's how it works. 8^) - Mike KB3EIA - |
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
... cl wrote: My question is, if he knew this guy had a bad reputation, he read many bad comments - WHY THE HELL did he buy off him? Makes no sense to me......... If I read a ton of bad messages about someone - there is no way in hell I'm buying off them, I don't care who they are. It's Ebay. that's how it works. 8^) - Mike KB3EIA - At least for some - anyway! As much as I used to like E-Bay, I'm starting to get a bad opinion of it with some recent things I've seen in a few places. The sad part is, though they may not be "the" only game in town, most respect it as such. cl |
Just don't patronize him!
type4 wrote: Oh its like a little kid sticking his finger in a fan. He knows its going to hurt but he does it anyway. Fool and money soon parted etc. My question is, if he knew this guy had a bad reputation, he read many bad comments - WHY THE HELL did he buy off him? Makes no sense to me......... If I read a ton of bad messages about someone - there is no way in hell I'm buying off them, I don't care who they are. cl |
cl wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... cl wrote: My question is, if he knew this guy had a bad reputation, he read many bad comments - WHY THE HELL did he buy off him? Makes no sense to me......... If I read a ton of bad messages about someone - there is no way in hell I'm buying off them, I don't care who they are. It's Ebay. that's how it works. 8^) - Mike KB3EIA - At least for some - anyway! As much as I used to like E-Bay, I'm starting to get a bad opinion of it with some recent things I've seen in a few places. The sad part is, though they may not be "the" only game in town, most respect it as such. I've had two personal experiences with Ebay. 1 buy, and 1 sell. Both bad. And a friend's fiancé had her credit card info stolen from Ebay, and the card was maxed out by the lowlife that stole it. Offshore to boot - what a mess! Of course Ebay's stock answer is that she could give the guy negative feedback!!!!! HAR! The answer to all the world's problems is apparently negative feedback. The fatal flaw in their scheme is that they are "not responsible" for *anything*. I suspect eventually someone is going to do huge fraud on their site, and then the courts may decide otherwise, regarding responsibility. Now its time for the apologists to chime in about how they've *never* had a problem - thousands of transactions and not been burned once! But what we are hearing these days suggests that the rosy picture these sellers paint is not so accurate....... - Mike KB3EIA - |
First learn how to use the system. There is no way to have credit card
info stolen unless you give it to someone. NEVER. Yes around a 1000 transactions here and only one that went bad. I buy and sell almost everything on eBay. Automotive stuff is about the worse people to deal with. HAM are the most honest other than the one named Radio-Mart. Feedback works if you use it correctly. If you are buying from someone ready the feedback even the positive ones. You will find that some positive feedback is really not that positive at all. Don't bid on someone item if you have a funny feeling after reading the feedback. Just have FUN, Mike Coslo wrote: cl wrote: "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... cl wrote: My question is, if he knew this guy had a bad reputation, he read many bad comments - WHY THE HELL did he buy off him? Makes no sense to me......... If I read a ton of bad messages about someone - there is no way in hell I'm buying off them, I don't care who they are. It's Ebay. that's how it works. 8^) - Mike KB3EIA - At least for some - anyway! As much as I used to like E-Bay, I'm starting to get a bad opinion of it with some recent things I've seen in a few places. The sad part is, though they may not be "the" only game in town, most respect it as such. I've had two personal experiences with Ebay. 1 buy, and 1 sell. Both bad. And a friend's fiancé had her credit card info stolen from Ebay, and the card was maxed out by the lowlife that stole it. Offshore to boot - what a mess! Of course Ebay's stock answer is that she could give the guy negative feedback!!!!! HAR! The answer to all the world's problems is apparently negative feedback. The fatal flaw in their scheme is that they are "not responsible" for *anything*. I suspect eventually someone is going to do huge fraud on their site, and then the courts may decide otherwise, regarding responsibility. Now its time for the apologists to chime in about how they've *never* had a problem - thousands of transactions and not been burned once! But what we are hearing these days suggests that the rosy picture these sellers paint is not so accurate....... - Mike KB3EIA - |
The fact that he keeps his feedback private, should be a clue..caveat
emptor... Bob W1CNY wrote in message ... First learn how to use the system. There is no way to have credit card info stolen unless you give it to someone. NEVER. Yes around a 1000 transactions here and only one that went bad. I buy and sell almost everything on eBay. Automotive stuff is about the worse people to deal with. HAM are the most honest other than the one named Radio-Mart. Feedback works if you use it correctly. If you are buying from someone ready the feedback even the positive ones. You will find that some positive feedback is really not that positive at all. Don't bid on someone item if you have a funny feeling after reading the feedback. Just have FUN, Mike Coslo wrote: cl wrote: "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... cl wrote: My question is, if he knew this guy had a bad reputation, he read many bad comments - WHY THE HELL did he buy off him? Makes no sense to me......... If I read a ton of bad messages about someone - there is no way in hell I'm buying off them, I don't care who they are. It's Ebay. that's how it works. 8^) - Mike KB3EIA - At least for some - anyway! As much as I used to like E-Bay, I'm starting to get a bad opinion of it with some recent things I've seen in a few places. The sad part is, though they may not be "the" only game in town, most respect it as such. I've had two personal experiences with Ebay. 1 buy, and 1 sell. Both bad. And a friend's fiancé had her credit card info stolen from Ebay, and the card was maxed out by the lowlife that stole it. Offshore to boot - what a mess! Of course Ebay's stock answer is that she could give the guy negative feedback!!!!! HAR! The answer to all the world's problems is apparently negative feedback. The fatal flaw in their scheme is that they are "not responsible" for *anything*. I suspect eventually someone is going to do huge fraud on their site, and then the courts may decide otherwise, regarding responsibility. Now its time for the apologists to chime in about how they've *never* had a problem - thousands of transactions and not been burned once! But what we are hearing these days suggests that the rosy picture these sellers paint is not so accurate....... - Mike KB3EIA - |
Mike Coslo wrote:
I've had two personal experiences with Ebay. 1 buy, and 1 sell. Both bad. And a friend's fiancé had her credit card info stolen from Ebay, and the card was maxed out by the lowlife that stole it. Offshore to boot - what a mess! Of course Ebay's stock answer is that she could give the guy negative feedback!!!!! HAR! The answer to all the world's problems is apparently negative feedback. The fatal flaw in their scheme is that they are "not responsible" for *anything*. I suspect eventually someone is going to do huge fraud on their site, and then the courts may decide otherwise, regarding responsibility. Now its time for the apologists to chime in about how they've *never* had a problem - thousands of transactions and not been burned once! But what we are hearing these days suggests that the rosy picture these sellers paint is not so accurate....... - Mike KB3EIA - Two bad experiences are not enough to form a conclusion. If you lost your CC info using ebay, then you are more than a little bit naive in the way you use the internet. But enough on that. The biggest problem I see with the feedback system is it isn't blind. If you give negative feedback to someone like Radio-Mart, he will give negative feedback to you. I have had a couple of bad transactions where I *should* have given bad feedback, but the ebayer threatened to trash me if I did. My feedback number is too low to accept even one bad feedback. What ebay should do is make it so that you cannot see the feedback given to you, for the current transaction, until you have sent in your feedback, for that transaction. It would probably be best to make it so that nobody can see the feedback from a transaction until both parties have contributed their feedback. You wouldn't want a bad egg to be able to read your negative feedback from a shill account. To protect against the large number of "zeros", there should also be a counter that tells the number of transactions made vs the number of feedbacks received. -Chuck |
If Ebay used nicknames for seller/buyer honesty.. % of positive feedback 100% - Saint 99% - Wal-Mart 98 % - K-Mart 97 % - Radio Shack 96% - Street vendor 95 % or less - Ferengi I think Radio-Mart falls in the Ferengi catagory. And here for your amusement is the Ferengi Rules of Acquisition. http://www.dmwright.com/html/ferengi.htm : ) -PF On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 15:40:47 -0700, Fred wrote: Just don't patronize him! type4 wrote: Oh its like a little kid sticking his finger in a fan. He knows its going to hurt but he does it anyway. Fool and money soon parted etc. My question is, if he knew this guy had a bad reputation, he read many bad comments - WHY THE HELL did he buy off him? Makes no sense to me......... If I read a ton of bad messages about someone - there is no way in hell I'm buying off them, I don't care who they are. cl |
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Chuck Harris wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote: I've had two personal experiences with Ebay. 1 buy, and 1 sell. Both bad. And a friend's fiancé had her credit card info stolen from Ebay, and the card was maxed out by the lowlife that stole it. Offshore to boot - what a mess! Of course Ebay's stock answer is that she could give the guy negative feedback!!!!! HAR! The answer to all the world's problems is apparently negative feedback. The fatal flaw in their scheme is that they are "not responsible" for *anything*. I suspect eventually someone is going to do huge fraud on their site, and then the courts may decide otherwise, regarding responsibility. Now its time for the apologists to chime in about how they've *never* had a problem - thousands of transactions and not been burned once! But what we are hearing these days suggests that the rosy picture these sellers paint is not so accurate....... - Mike KB3EIA - Two bad experiences are not enough to form a conclusion. If a dog bites me the first two times I get near it, I'm sure not going to give it a third chance! 8^) If you lost your CC info using ebay, then you are more than a little bit naive in the way you use the internet. But enough on that. I'm not the one losing the card info, but yes there are naive people on the internet. The biggest problem I see with the feedback system is it isn't blind. If you give negative feedback to someone like Radio-Mart, he will give negative feedback to you. I have had a couple of bad transactions where I *should* have given bad feedback, but the ebayer threatened to trash me if I did. My feedback number is too low to accept even one bad feedback. What ebay should do is make it so that you cannot see the feedback given to you, for the current transaction, until you have sent in your feedback, for that transaction. It would probably be best to make it so that nobody can see the feedback from a transaction until both parties have contributed their feedback. You wouldn't want a bad egg to be able to read your negative feedback from a shill account. To protect against the large number of "zeros", there should also be a counter that tells the number of transactions made vs the number of feedbacks received. It does start to get complicated. |
Michael Coslo wrote:
Chuck Harris wrote: Two bad experiences are not enough to form a conclusion. If a dog bites me the first two times I get near it, I'm sure not going to give it a third chance! 8^) Yeah, but if you are wearing a T-bone steak suit, and you walk up to the dog, can you really blame the dog? What ebay should do is make it so that you cannot see the feedback given to you, for the current transaction, until you have sent in your feedback, for that transaction. It would probably be best to make it so that nobody can see the feedback from a transaction until both parties have contributed their feedback. You wouldn't want a bad egg to be able to read your negative feedback from a shill account. To protect against the large number of "zeros", there should also be a counter that tells the number of transactions made vs the number of feedbacks received. It does start to get complicated. Nothing that about 10 lines of code couldn't handle. I think that the folks at ebay are up to the task. -Chuck |
"Chuck Harris" wrote in message ... Two bad experiences are not enough to form a conclusion. Not true. How many bad experiences are required to form a conclusion is entirely up to the person forming the conclusion. Whatever number he says is valid, is valid. That's what freedom is all about. |
Jik Bombo wrote:
"Chuck Harris" wrote in message ... Two bad experiences are not enough to form a conclusion. Not true. How many bad experiences are required to form a conclusion is entirely up to the person forming the conclusion. Whatever number he says is valid, is valid. That's what freedom is all about. So, what you are implying is I'm against freedom? Let me put it this way, if a guy comes apon a crowded city street, and runs headlong into the street, without regard for the signals, and gets hit by a car, he might conclude that it is very dangerous to cross that street. Yet hundreds of thousands of others with, minimal schooling in the ways of city traffic, can cross that same city street without incident. The conclusion drawn by the ignorant one is improperly formed. Given the tiniest bit of schooling, he too could use ebay safely. Now, about that freedom thing: AR15s at 100 paces....;-) -Chuck |
"Chuck Harris" wrote in message ... Jik Bombo wrote: "Chuck Harris" wrote in message ... Two bad experiences are not enough to form a conclusion. Not true. How many bad experiences are required to form a conclusion is entirely up to the person forming the conclusion. Whatever number he says is valid, is valid. That's what freedom is all about. So, what you are implying is I'm against freedom? No, I'm simply saying that for many, one, or even just innuendo is a valid basis for a conclusion. Let me put it this way, if a guy comes apon a crowded city street, and runs headlong into the street, without regard for the signals, and gets hit by a car, he might conclude that it is very dangerous to cross that street. That's right. And a lesson well learned. Yet hundreds of thousands of others with, minimal schooling in the ways of city traffic, can cross that same city street without incident. The conclusion drawn by the ignorant one is improperly formed. Given the tiniest bit of schooling, he too could use ebay safely. The choice to not use eBay is hardly a sign of ignorance. Nor is it a life-ending decision. Now, about that freedom thing: AR15s at 100 paces....;-) 100 paces? How about a flamethrower? -Chuck |
"1The choice to not use eBay is hardly a sign of ignorance."
Spoken like a truly ignorant person |
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Bill M wrote:
lid wrote: "1The choice to not use eBay is hardly a sign of ignorance." Spoken like a truly ignorant person The ebay bottom-feeders that we all strive to avoid often post here with invalid IDs like lid I learned about a year ago that using one's ID on these newsgroups is very dangerous. Do a WEB search and you will find every post you ever made or every post someone else has made. A good way to find out a lot about a person for good and bad reasons. EBay is a great place to do business and the Radio Mart's are few and far between. Now go do you WEB search and tell you what you found. Do it by your name your handle if different and your email address. |
Chuck Harris wrote: Jik Bombo wrote: "Chuck Harris" wrote in message ... Two bad experiences are not enough to form a conclusion. Not true. How many bad experiences are required to form a conclusion is entirely up to the person forming the conclusion. Whatever number he says is valid, is valid. That's what freedom is all about. So, what you are implying is I'm against freedom? Let me put it this way, if a guy comes apon a crowded city street, and runs headlong into the street, without regard for the signals, and gets hit by a car, he might conclude that it is very dangerous to cross that street. Yet hundreds of thousands of others with, minimal schooling in the ways of city traffic, can cross that same city street without incident. Hmmm, will the next analogy be about a woman who was assualted, but it was her fault because she was pretty, or was wearing a nice skirt? That's what you're doing here. It was MY fault because I didn't check out the sellers feedback. The unspoken statement that goes along with this is that since it was my fault, it is acceptable for sellers to take advantage of the unaware. Chuck, Ebay is simply not a good neighborhood. From my personal experience, and from what I have read and observed, and had related to me over the years, it is still not a good neighborhood. That you come up with analogies such as me wearing a t-bone steak suit (actually that was what my folks did to get the dog to play with me) ;^) and now the running into the street thing, merely indicates that it is not a good neighborhood. Finally, there is an inconsistency in calling me naive after getting screwed on Ebay twice. Seems as if stopping was the point at which I lost the naivete The conclusion drawn by the ignorant one is improperly formed. Given the tiniest bit of schooling, he too could use ebay safely. I suppose that with the proper schooling, one could have daily casual sex with total strangers and not get STD's. No thanks, I'll pass. - Mike KB3EIA - |
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lid wrote: Bill M wrote: lid wrote: "1The choice to not use eBay is hardly a sign of ignorance." Spoken like a truly ignorant person The ebay bottom-feeders that we all strive to avoid often post here with invalid IDs like lid I learned about a year ago that using one's ID on these newsgroups is very dangerous. Do a WEB search and you will find every post you ever made or every post someone else has made. Ha! Do a usenet search for me and you'll get several thousand machine generated garbage posts by a net-abuser with a hard-on for news.admin.* A good way to find out a lot about a person for good and bad reasons. Go not unto usenet for information, for they will say yes, no and wrong group. EBay is a great place to do business and the Radio Mart's are few and far between. There are enough of them out there to make caution a good choice. Now go do you WEB search and tell you what you found. Do it by your name your handle if different and your email address. I don't need that much dippycrap, TYVM. Chris. |
Michael Coslo wrote:
Chuck Harris wrote: Two bad experiences are not enough to form a conclusion. Let me put it this way, if a guy comes apon a crowded city street, and runs headlong into the street, without regard for the signals, and gets hit by a car, he might conclude that it is very dangerous to cross that street. Yet hundreds of thousands of others with, minimal schooling in the ways of city traffic, can cross that same city street without incident. Hmmm, will the next analogy be about a woman who was assualted, but it was her fault because she was pretty, or was wearing a nice skirt? That's what you're doing here. It was MY fault because I didn't check out the sellers feedback. The unspoken statement that goes along with this is that since it was my fault, it is acceptable for sellers to take advantage of the unaware. No, that is not my unspoken statement. My unspoken statement is that if you are going to live in this brave new world, you must develop enough "street smarts" to protect yourself. Chuck, Ebay is simply not a good neighborhood. From my personal experience, and from what I have read and observed, and had related to me over the years, it is still not a good neighborhood. To the same extent that ebay is a bad neighborhood, the entire internet is a bad neighborhood. If you don't develop some "street smarts", you *will* be taken advantage of. You can be caught by simply believing what appears to be valid email from a trusted source. (such as Microsoft) It shouldn't be this way, but we live in a world where there is both good and evil, and every shade inbetween. By allowing the internet into your home, you are allowing the most smarmy of scum to take a try at preying upon you. That you come up with analogies such as me wearing a t-bone steak suit (actually that was what my folks did to get the dog to play with me) ;^) and now the running into the street thing, merely indicates that it is not a good neighborhood. Finally, there is an inconsistency in calling me naive after getting screwed on Ebay twice. Seems as if stopping was the point at which I lost the naivete I said that your naivete was why you got screwed. You lost your cherry on ebay. Now, if you are a smart guy, you will put on your learning cap, and start to figure out what you did wrong, and avoid repeating the mistake. It wasn't being on ebay that got your CC stolen. It was being too trusting, and too ignorant of scams that have flourished on the internet. The mistake you made on the internet, that got your CC stolen, works on the telephone too! The conclusion drawn by the ignorant one is improperly formed. Given the tiniest bit of schooling, he too could use ebay safely. I suppose that with the proper schooling, one could have daily casual sex with total strangers and not get STD's. No thanks, I'll pass. You seem to want to miss the point entirely. Too bad, it ultimately will be your loss. I have found ebay to be a most useful tool for acquiring things I could never find within a 100 mile radius of my town. Without ebay, I would never even know they were available for sale. From my exposure to ebay, I would venture that the bad apples are less than 0.001%. - Mike KB3EIA - I will leave you with this one tip: by advertising your call sign, you are advertising your name, birthday, age, and address to anyone who wants to know. Up until very recently, your SSN was also in the mix, thanks to congress and the FCC. Do you think that is a wise idea? If you think ebay is bad, welcome to the usenet. Here, there are *no* controls! -Chuck |
Very well done response I can't add much other than even in day to day
personal dealing all the below applies. Or in other words: "Wake up and smell the garbage then get rid of it so you can smell the roses." Over 1000 deals on eBay with only one bad apple doesn't make eBay any worse than any other place to do business either ON the WEB or OFF." I believe in the beginning I did buy something from Radio-Mart and wasn't that happy but just didn't buy anything else from him and went on with my eBay life. Chuck Harris wrote: Michael Coslo wrote: Chuck Harris wrote: Two bad experiences are not enough to form a conclusion. Let me put it this way, if a guy comes apon a crowded city street, and runs headlong into the street, without regard for the signals, and gets hit by a car, he might conclude that it is very dangerous to cross that street. Yet hundreds of thousands of others with, minimal schooling in the ways of city traffic, can cross that same city street without incident. Hmmm, will the next analogy be about a woman who was assualted, but it was her fault because she was pretty, or was wearing a nice skirt? That's what you're doing here. It was MY fault because I didn't check out the sellers feedback. The unspoken statement that goes along with this is that since it was my fault, it is acceptable for sellers to take advantage of the unaware. No, that is not my unspoken statement. My unspoken statement is that if you are going to live in this brave new world, you must develop enough "street smarts" to protect yourself. Chuck, Ebay is simply not a good neighborhood. From my personal experience, and from what I have read and observed, and had related to me over the years, it is still not a good neighborhood. To the same extent that ebay is a bad neighborhood, the entire internet is a bad neighborhood. If you don't develop some "street smarts", you *will* be taken advantage of. You can be caught by simply believing what appears to be valid email from a trusted source. (such as Microsoft) It shouldn't be this way, but we live in a world where there is both good and evil, and every shade inbetween. By allowing the internet into your home, you are allowing the most smarmy of scum to take a try at preying upon you. That you come up with analogies such as me wearing a t-bone steak suit (actually that was what my folks did to get the dog to play with me) ;^) and now the running into the street thing, merely indicates that it is not a good neighborhood. Finally, there is an inconsistency in calling me naive after getting screwed on Ebay twice. Seems as if stopping was the point at which I lost the naivete I said that your naivete was why you got screwed. You lost your cherry on ebay. Now, if you are a smart guy, you will put on your learning cap, and start to figure out what you did wrong, and avoid repeating the mistake. It wasn't being on ebay that got your CC stolen. It was being too trusting, and too ignorant of scams that have flourished on the internet. The mistake you made on the internet, that got your CC stolen, works on the telephone too! The conclusion drawn by the ignorant one is improperly formed. Given the tiniest bit of schooling, he too could use ebay safely. I suppose that with the proper schooling, one could have daily casual sex with total strangers and not get STD's. No thanks, I'll pass. You seem to want to miss the point entirely. Too bad, it ultimately will be your loss. I have found ebay to be a most useful tool for acquiring things I could never find within a 100 mile radius of my town. Without ebay, I would never even know they were available for sale. From my exposure to ebay, I would venture that the bad apples are less than 0.001%. - Mike KB3EIA - I will leave you with this one tip: by advertising your call sign, you are advertising your name, birthday, age, and address to anyone who wants to know. Up until very recently, your SSN was also in the mix, thanks to congress and the FCC. Do you think that is a wise idea? If you think ebay is bad, welcome to the usenet. Here, there are *no* controls! -Chuck |
This is all covered in the predictions of Nostradamus. With the recent
passing of the pope, we again must look to the great prophet for what our future will bring. And clearly eBay is the Anti-Christ. The 'end times' are here. Too bad. I really wanted to get my FRR-59 running before the entire universe was swallowed up in flames. Bummer. |
Chuck Harris wrote:
Michael Coslo wrote: Chuck Harris wrote: Two bad experiences are not enough to form a conclusion. Let me put it this way, if a guy comes apon a crowded city street, and runs headlong into the street, without regard for the signals, and gets hit by a car, he might conclude that it is very dangerous to cross that street. Yet hundreds of thousands of others with, minimal schooling in the ways of city traffic, can cross that same city street without incident. Hmmm, will the next analogy be about a woman who was assualted, but it was her fault because she was pretty, or was wearing a nice skirt? That's what you're doing here. It was MY fault because I didn't check out the sellers feedback. The unspoken statement that goes along with this is that since it was my fault, it is acceptable for sellers to take advantage of the unaware. No, that is not my unspoken statement. My unspoken statement is that if you are going to live in this brave new world, you must develop enough "street smarts" to protect yourself. Chuck, Ebay is simply not a good neighborhood. From my personal experience, and from what I have read and observed, and had related to me over the years, it is still not a good neighborhood. To the same extent that ebay is a bad neighborhood, the entire internet is a bad neighborhood. If you don't develop some "street smarts", you *will* be taken advantage of. You can be caught by simply believing what appears to be valid email from a trusted source. (such as Microsoft) It shouldn't be this way, but we live in a world where there is both good and evil, and every shade inbetween. By allowing the internet into your home, you are allowing the most smarmy of scum to take a try at preying upon you. That you come up with analogies such as me wearing a t-bone steak suit (actually that was what my folks did to get the dog to play with me) ;^) and now the running into the street thing, merely indicates that it is not a good neighborhood. Finally, there is an inconsistency in calling me naive after getting screwed on Ebay twice. Seems as if stopping was the point at which I lost the naivete I said that your naivete was why you got screwed. You lost your cherry on ebay. Now, if you are a smart guy, you will put on your learning cap, and start to figure out what you did wrong, and avoid repeating the mistake. It wasn't being on ebay that got your CC stolen. It was being too trusting, and too ignorant of scams that have flourished on the internet. I didn't have my CC info stolen. It was the fiance of a fellow that I work with. That probably got lost in the mix somewhere. The mistake you made on the internet, that got your CC stolen, works on the telephone too! Heck Chuck, we don't have to do anything to have things stolen. LexisNexis massive Personal info debacle as a point. If we don't want our information being out there and vulnerable we have to deal in cash only, and only buy in person. The conclusion drawn by the ignorant one is improperly formed. Given the tiniest bit of schooling, he too could use ebay safely. I suppose that with the proper schooling, one could have daily casual sex with total strangers and not get STD's. No thanks, I'll pass. You seem to want to miss the point entirely. Too bad, it ultimately will be your loss. I have found ebay to be a most useful tool for acquiring things I could never find within a 100 mile radius of my town. Without ebay, I would never even know they were available for sale. From my exposure to ebay, I would venture that the bad apples are less than 0.001%. I will leave you with this one tip: by advertising your call sign, you are advertising your name, birthday, age, and address to anyone who wants to know. Up until very recently, your SSN was also in the mix, thanks to congress and the FCC. Do you think that is a wise idea? All that info is readable just by being a ham. And since a lot of people believe that they can make themselves anonymous on the internet, try posting something really nasty that will get the attention of the authorities. Then you will find out the extent of your anonymity. That I choose to post as myself is one of those choices that I made a long time ago. You may choose to think I'm stupid. - Mike KB3EIA - |
Michael Coslo wrote:
It wasn't being on ebay that got your CC stolen. It was being too trusting, and too ignorant of scams that have flourished on the internet. I didn't have my CC info stolen. It was the fiance of a fellow that I work with. That probably got lost in the mix somewhere. No, I am just working with what you posted. You said that you were on ebay twice, and got your CC info stolen. The mistake you made on the internet, that got your CC stolen, works on the telephone too! Heck Chuck, we don't have to do anything to have things stolen. LexisNexis massive Personal info debacle as a point. Yep, but that doesn't mean one has to make it easy. Control what you can. If we don't want our information being out there and vulnerable we have to deal in cash only, and only buy in person. That is a little too luddite for me. Your CC company protects you for anything over $50 if you let them know right away. Well, that is if you have a CC, debit cards, check cards, and prepaid CC's carry no protection whatsoever. I will leave you with this one tip: by advertising your call sign, you are advertising your name, birthday, age, and address to anyone who wants to know. Up until very recently, your SSN was also in the mix, thanks to congress and the FCC. Do you think that is a wise idea? All that info is readable just by being a ham. That's true, but suppose that you post as yourself, and you **** off one of the truly obsessive nutcases that lurk on usenet. El'fruitcake would have to search through the thousands of people with the same name as you inorder to find your sorry ass and make some trouble. On the otherhand, if you post with your callsign, the fruited one can go over to www.qrz.com, and there you are! Smile, for those crimelab guys, .... if you can. And since a lot of people believe that they can make themselves anonymous on the internet, try posting something really nasty that will get the attention of the authorities. Then you will find out the extent of your anonymity. The federal and state governments are the least of your worries. They'll find you if they need to find you. It's the lesser evils that you need to worry about. That I choose to post as myself is one of those choices that I made a long time ago. You may choose to think I'm stupid. Nope, just ignorant and naive about the internet. We are all ignorant and naive about something (lots of somethings, actually). -Chuck |
Chuck Harris wrote: Michael Coslo wrote: It wasn't being on ebay that got your CC stolen. It was being too trusting, and too ignorant of scams that have flourished on the internet. I didn't have my CC info stolen. It was the fiance of a fellow that I work with. That probably got lost in the mix somewhere. No, I am just working with what you posted. You said that you were on ebay twice, and got your CC info stolen. Negative, Chuck. I posted on Apr 10, 8:52 pm: Start Mike Post: I've had two personal experiences with Ebay. 1 buy, and 1 sell. Both bad. And a friend's fiancé had her credit card info stolen from Ebay, and the card was maxed out by the lowlife that stole it. Offshore to boot - what a mess! Of course Ebay's stock answer is that she could give the guy negative feedback!!!!! HAR! The answer to all the world's problems is apparently negative feedback. The fatal flaw in their scheme is that they are "not responsible" for *anything*. I suspect eventually someone is going to do huge fraud on their site, and then the courts may decide otherwise, regarding responsibility. Now its time for the apologists to chime in about how they've *never* had a problem - thousands of transactions and not been burned once! But what we are hearing these days suggests that the rosy picture these sellers paint is not so accurate....... End Mike post. Its all in Google groups. And I still stand by what I said I did have two bad experiences, she did have her CC info stolen, I still believe that their scheme is fatally flawed, and that they will probably be taken to court eventually about it. And there is not a shed of doubt that at least one ebay apologist is chiming in. That's true, but suppose that you post as yourself, and you **** off one of the truly obsessive nutcases that lurk on usenet. El'fruitcake would have to search through the thousands of people with the same name as you inorder to find your sorry ass and make some trouble. That could happen by a person walking down the sidewalk, or driving to and from work, or simply being at the wrong place at the wrong time. People are so fearful these days. If you want to live in fear, BMG. - Mike KB3EIA - |
THE WORST PART OF IS THAT ALL WHO SELL ON EBAY (AND THE INTERNET) ARE
PAINTED WITH THE THE SAME BRUSH. CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com Bill Turner, excuse caps, short answers, stroke. Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide. |
What the hell does this mean ? Everyone is an individual and thus
should be treated as such. The guy that had the two bad experiences doesn't have what is called "common sense." Bill Turner wrote: THE WORST PART OF IS THAT ALL WHO SELL ON EBAY (AND THE INTERNET) ARE PAINTED WITH THE THE SAME BRUSH. CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com Bill Turner, excuse caps, short answers, stroke. Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide. |
Michael Coslo wrote:
No, I am just working with what you posted. You said that you were on ebay twice, and got your CC info stolen. Negative, Chuck. I posted on Apr 10, 8:52 pm: Start Mike Post: I've had two personal experiences with Ebay. 1 buy, and 1 sell. Both bad. And a friend's fiancé had her credit card info stolen from Ebay, and the card was maxed out by the lowlife that stole it. Offshore to boot - what a mess! I stand corrected. Its all in Google groups. And I still stand by what I said I did have two bad experiences, she did have her CC info stolen, I still believe that their scheme is fatally flawed, and that they will probably be taken to court eventually about it. And there is not a shed of doubt that at least one ebay apologist is chiming in. What on earth is an ebay apologist? Someone who is employed by ebay? That's true, but suppose that you post as yourself, and you **** off one of the truly obsessive nutcases that lurk on usenet. El'fruitcake would have to search through the thousands of people with the same name as you inorder to find your sorry ass and make some trouble. That could happen by a person walking down the sidewalk, or driving to and from work, or simply being at the wrong place at the wrong time. Not the same at all! The IRL example that would be more appropriate would be walking down the street with $100 bills threaded on a string around your neck, and being surprised when you got held up. People are so fearful these days. If you want to live in fear, BMG. Not at all. But I suppose that you are so calm and serene that you don't own any fire extinguishers, or have homeowner's insurance. Odds are good that you will never use either, so why not get rid of them? Not exposing yourself more than necessary is more like the insurance thing, it's a prudent thing to do, only much cheaper. -Chuck |
Bill Turner wrote:
THE WORST PART OF IS THAT ALL WHO SELL ON EBAY (AND THE INTERNET) ARE PAINTED WITH THE THE SAME BRUSH. Right, Bill! I've no doubt that the majority of Ebay users are fine honest folks. But they are allowing the bad guys to co-opt their system. And heaven help anyone who dares to criticize ebay! I'm supposedly stupid, naive, and all the problems I've had there are my fault. Two problems there, first is blame the wronged, and second is it's the old the carney/rube relationship in which it is "okay" to swindle a person because they are ignorant of "how things work". There is a big problem. And from what I've seen posted, it isn't going to be fixed any time soon.... - Mike KB3EIA - |
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Chuck Harris wrote:
What on earth is an ebay apologist? Someone who is employed by ebay? You. - Mike KB3EIA - |
Mike Coslo wrote:
Bill Turner wrote: THE WORST PART OF IS THAT ALL WHO SELL ON EBAY (AND THE INTERNET) ARE PAINTED WITH THE THE SAME BRUSH. Right, Bill! I've no doubt that the majority of Ebay users are fine honest folks. But they are allowing the bad guys to co-opt their system. How do you figure that? I've been screwed by many more grinning vendors at hamfests than from ebay sellers and nobody seems to be screaming about trying to clean them up. I don't think you'll disagree that there's a certain portion of the population who are going to screw other people whether its sitting in church pilfering the offering plate or behind prison walls. Why would you think that ebay could (or should) have some method of creating an artifically "safe" segment of society? Just how would they go about doing such a thing? Shoot, if you have a solution then I nominate you for Pope. -Bill M |
Mike Coslo wrote:
Chuck Harris wrote: What on earth is an ebay apologist? Someone who is employed by ebay? You. I see, so, it's ok for you to tar the entire ebay mechanism, and community, because you don't like it, but it isn't ok for me to try and explain why the problems you have faced, are of your own making? Sounds fair to me. -Chuck |
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