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** Reply to note from Martin 21 Dec 2004 19:45:43 -0000

I have recently came into posession of a Johnson Viking II with the
External VFO. It is complete and in good condition, but in need of a
good cleaning and I'm sure re-capping. Would anyone know what this
type of rig might be worth? I'm just trying to see if it's worth the
time to restore it, i see that there is a lot of copper or copper
plating on this rig that would really look nice when cleaned up.

There are two schools of thought on boatanchors. I'm in the fix
it and use it school. For me, fixing is the larger part of the
fun.

I do a cosmetic clean up. Mostly mild soap and water using a damp
rag. Then I fire up the radio and try to figure out what's wrong
with it, if anything.

I've found bad electrolytics and way out of spec carbon resistors.

I've found dirty contacts in switches, pots, relays, and that
spring that contacts the moving part of a variable capacitor. The
product De-Ox-Id by CAIG cleans those up like magic.

I get the radio looking and working as best I can. I have a shelf
of projects.

There is another school of thought. These are like collectors of
antiques. You're not supposed to clean or restore a real
antique. The real fanatics prize the patina of age (dirt) on
furniture or whatever.

Radios owned by these folk are called "shelf queens". They are
not repaired except with original parts. Since you can't find a
70 year old capacitor that works, these radios don't work. They
sit on the shelf and are display-only.

As for the value of a Viking II, go to www.aade.com. Neil
maintains a price list of boatanchors. Take Neil's price and
double it. That'd be my guess.

I have another view of antique radios. I believe that the prices
are yet to be realized.

I saw a "catalin" table radio sell on eBay for over $20,000.
These are plastic AM table radios in weird colors. Apparently
collectors, whoever they are, are collecting these, for whatever
reason.

Watch the Antique Roadshow. Weird, screwy stuff is priced at
incredible numbers. Ugly furniture, carvings, ceramics,
paintings, books, most things I'd say, "what would I do with
that?" Incredible numbers like $10,000, $25,000, $80,000.

Then I look at my Signal/One CX7A, one of less that 1,000.
Incredible engineering, Nixie tubes.

I think that in the near future, boatanchor radios will be highly
prized collectables. It might not happen for 20 years, it might
be starting now.

I hate to say it but the people who are preserving "shelf queens"
will probably see the highest valuations.

I'm definitely not in that school.

My goal is to have a working radio where the exterior looks like
new. If I have to install new capacitors and resistors, that's
just a part of maintenance.

If you can get your Viking II working and clean it up so that it
looks like new, it will only increase in value.

Given the renewed interest in AM and CW, I'd say you have a
valuable radio there.

de ah6gi/4 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RadioInvestor

As for the value of a Viking II, go to www.aade.com. Neil
maintains a price list of boatanchors. Take Neil's price and
double it. That'd be my guess.

Really?? His prices are based on what
things sold for on eBay. I've never
considered eBay prices to be low, or
even typical.

Have you been getting twice eBay prices
for all the things you've been selling?
I may need to recalibrate - I may be rich ;-)

73, John - K6QQ

On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 02:51:37 UTC, "John Moriarity"
wrote:

As for the value of a Viking II, go to www.aade.com. Neil
maintains a price list of boatanchors. Take Neil's price and
double it. That'd be my guess.

Really?? His prices are based on what
things sold for on eBay. I've never
considered eBay prices to be low, or
even typical.

Neil's prices are what they sold for last year or the year before
or the year before that. What you can't see are the trends.

eBay's prices are the real prices. That's what you can get at any
time.

Hamfest prices and "private sales" are not a reference. For
example, I saw an HP23 sell for $25 at a local hamfest. HP23's go
for much more than that on eBay and you don't have to drive for two
hours and stand in the sun to sell it.

Have you been getting twice eBay prices
for all the things you've been selling?
I may need to recalibrate - I may be rich ;-)

You are rich. Take a look at the Antique Roadshow some time. A lot
of weird, absolutely useless, junque at incredible prices.

And yes, I expect that if I ever sell my collection, I will get much
more than the current prices.

73, John - K6QQ

There're not that many boatanchors left in the world. The other
problem is that they are vanishing into private collections.

de ah6gi/4


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On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 02:51:37 UTC, "John Moriarity"
wrote:

As for the value of a Viking II, go to www.aade.com. Neil
maintains a price list of boatanchors. Take Neil's price and
double it. That'd be my guess.

Really?? His prices are based on what
things sold for on eBay. I've never
considered eBay prices to be low, or
even typical.

Neil's prices are what they sold for last year or the year before
or the year before that. What you can't see are the trends.

eBay's prices are the real prices. That's what you can get at any
time.

Hamfest prices and "private sales" are not a reference. For
example, I saw an HP23 sell for $25 at a local hamfest. HP23's go
for much more than that on eBay and you don't have to drive for two
hours and stand in the sun to sell it.

Have you been getting twice eBay prices
for all the things you've been selling?
I may need to recalibrate - I may be rich ;-)

You are rich. Take a look at the Antique Roadshow some time. A lot
of weird, absolutely useless, junque at incredible prices.

And yes, I expect that if I ever sell my collection, I will get much
more than the current prices.

73, John - K6QQ

There're not that many boatanchors left in the world. The other
problem is that they are vanishing into private collections.

de ah6gi/4


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No Spam No wrote:

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Watch the Antique Roadshow. Weird, screwy stuff is priced at
incredible numbers. Ugly furniture, carvings, ceramics,
paintings, books, most things I'd say, "what would I do with
that?" Incredible numbers like $10,000, $25,000, $80,000.

Use a big grain of salt with what you see on the Antique Roadshow.

They have been know to appaise modern, sub $100 replicas at tens of
thousands of dollars among other things; it is TV.

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Jim Pennino

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On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 02:58:51 UTC, wrote:

No Spam No wrote:

snip

Watch the Antique Roadshow. Weird, screwy stuff is priced at
incredible numbers. Ugly furniture, carvings, ceramics,
paintings, books, most things I'd say, "what would I do with
that?" Incredible numbers like $10,000, $25,000, $80,000.

Use a big grain of salt with what you see on the Antique Roadshow.

They have been know to appaise modern, sub $100 replicas at tens of
thousands of dollars among other things; it is TV.

But who wants that stuff as opposed to, say, a 75A-4 or a Ranger II?

What about the multi thousand dollar giant wood chicken that was
featured on one show?

Let's see, wood chicken, Alpha 374. Chicken, 374? The fact that
an Alpha 374 goes for only $1,000 means that the our civilization
values a wood chicken more.

de ah6gi/4 more ramblings about radio values at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RadioInvestor/

On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 02:58:51 UTC, wrote:

No Spam No wrote:

snip

Watch the Antique Roadshow. Weird, screwy stuff is priced at
incredible numbers. Ugly furniture, carvings, ceramics,
paintings, books, most things I'd say, "what would I do with
that?" Incredible numbers like $10,000, $25,000, $80,000.

Use a big grain of salt with what you see on the Antique Roadshow.

They have been know to appaise modern, sub $100 replicas at tens of
thousands of dollars among other things; it is TV.

But who wants that stuff as opposed to, say, a 75A-4 or a Ranger II?

What about the multi thousand dollar giant wood chicken that was
featured on one show?

Let's see, wood chicken, Alpha 374. Chicken, 374? The fact that
an Alpha 374 goes for only $1,000 means that the our civilization
values a wood chicken more.

de ah6gi/4 more ramblings about radio values at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RadioInvestor/

No Spam wrote:



I saw a "catalin" table radio sell on eBay for over $20,000.
These are plastic AM table radios in weird colors. Apparently
collectors, whoever they are, are collecting these, for whatever
reason.

Investment vehicle. The guy who pays 20 grand will be selling it for 30
in the not too distant future. Most catalin sets have a lot of frequent
flyer miles since they change hands so much.

-Bill

On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 03:15:09 UTC, Bill M
wrote:

No Spam wrote:



I saw a "catalin" table radio sell on eBay for over $20,000.
These are plastic AM table radios in weird colors. Apparently
collectors, whoever they are, are collecting these, for whatever
reason.

Investment vehicle. The guy who pays 20 grand will be selling it for 30
in the not too distant future. Most catalin sets have a lot of frequent
flyer miles since they change hands so much.

You're saying what they're doing but I still do not understand the
mania. Somewhere, is there someone who values those ugly catalin
radios? Why? Why does that end-user want it?

I can imagine a rack of, say, 5 Heathkit SB-220's. Contest station
look. At current eBay prices, that might be $3,000 for all five.

For $5,000, you could probably get 5 Alpha 374's.

Is a $20,000 catalin radio really worth more than 20 Alpha 374's?

I'm glad that collectors haven't discovered boatanchor radios yet.

de ah6gi/4 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RadioInvestor/

No Spam wrote:
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 03:15:09 UTC, Bill M
wrote:


Investment vehicle. The guy who pays 20 grand will be selling it for 30
in the not too distant future. Most catalin sets have a lot of frequent
flyer miles since they change hands so much.


You're saying what they're doing but I still do not understand the
mania. Somewhere, is there someone who values those ugly catalin
radios? Why? Why does that end-user want it?

Thats the rub. There aren't many end users...they keep selling to the
next guy to "finds out about the hot investment". Well, yeah, I'm
overstating it a bit but you get the idea.

I can imagine a rack of, say, 5 Heathkit SB-220's. Contest station
look. At current eBay prices, that might be $3,000 for all five.

For $5,000, you could probably get 5 Alpha 374's.

Is a $20,000 catalin radio really worth more than 20 Alpha 374's?

No way...not for me anyway. In truth very few value at 20 grand, most
are in the 1-5k category as if that makes any difference.

I'm glad that collectors haven't discovered boatanchor radios yet.

Watch what you say! There are a number of guys paying over the top to
have a BA "collection" but it hasn't reached the same extreme.

-Bill