"Jerry" writes:

IMHO, this is nothing but a lousy attempt to take advantage of one
situation and "claim" their huge price increases are valid; it is a
GOUGE that I hope BACKFIRES on the oil companies.

Well -- I agree that the price bump in the last few days is
suspicious. On the other hand, consider the following:

o Forty percent of the nations refinery capacity is at an absolute
standstil.

o The main pipeline feeding the entire eastern half of the US for
what refined products ARE available in storage terminals is running
at less than 30% capacity.

o The Gulf Coast has the landing terminals for 50% of all crude oil
consumed by the US.

o Every agency on the ground says it will be *weeks* before things
are back to normal.

Everything we learned in high-school economics tells us: Prices are
going to rise. I fear that it is going to get worse before it gets
better. If it makes you feel any better, buy energy stock.

It's time for consumers to simply NOT buy for a few days and see
what happens.

Well, the trick is not to move your purchase decision - a deferred
purchase is still a purchase. The trick is to actually lower
consumption -- something that, for good or for bad, my countrymen have
not shown a great interest in for decades.

Of course, I suspect the gas price will "mysteriously" begin to drop
after the Labor Day holiday disguised as refineries being "repaired"
( how concidental that they get repaired right after Labor Day
because they can "hide" under the disaster.)

I cannot believe someone wrote that - Do you honestly suspect the oil
industry conspired to make a hurricane happen near a busy travelling
weekend? Sometimes an amazing coincidence is just a coincidence.

Reminds me "And the second gangster says to the third, `but how were
you able to arrange a flood?' ... " [1]

Me, except for attending the hamfes)t, I am sitting at home until
the SOB's rot; I can WALK to the grocery store if I have to!

A great idea all the time -- good for one's health, good for the
environment. Now if we just had urban planning that put the grocery
stores a teeny bit closer to where we lived ...

Of course, I live down in XE land, so we have abundant cheap gasoline
(US $2.15 at current exchange rates) and I have three grocery stores
within a five minute walk of my house.

Jerry

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Lawrence Statton N1GAK/XE2 wrote:

Of course, I live down in XE land, so we have abundant cheap gasoline
(US $2.15 at current exchange rates) and I have three grocery stores
within a five minute walk of my house.

Jerry


Good for you. The closest grocery to my house isa couple miles away.
It is down a busy highway with no place to walk, and I have to use a
cane so walking to the grocery is out of the question. Because of this
I try to arrange to stop at the grocery when I have to leave the house
for another reason.

As I always say, "We all have our bears to cross!" ;-)

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after threats were telephoned to my church.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

kk4tl wrote:

Channel 13 - WLOS TV in Asheville, NC is reporting that a number of gas
stations in WNC are closing down due to an outage at the supplier's
terminal in Spartanburg, SC. The terminal outage is said to last 3
days or so.

Just a heads up - if you're going to Shelby this weekend, might wanna
keep 'er topped off as you travel through the affected areas. Just got
this clip from http://www.wlos.com./


If anyone is using diesel, the local Giant food store here in Laurel, Maryland
is selling their brand name vegetable oil and Crisco oil in bottles of a
little over two quarts (as of September 2) on sale. It works out to be about
$3.10 per gallon.

(Today, diesel fuel here was priced at +/- $3.65 per gallon.)

A friend of mine is using Crisco in his diesel powered Dodge Ram 2500 pickup truck.

He says he gets 25 to 27+ mpg on the highway (about 10% less than diesel fuel),
vegetable oil provides better lubrication for the fuel injectors than diesel
fuel and it doesn't stink of diesel. He says the diesel engine exhaust smells
like McDonald's french fries.
:-)

VOA SWLer wrote:



If anyone is using diesel, the local Giant food store here in Laurel,
Maryland is selling their brand name vegetable oil and Crisco oil in
bottles of a little over two quarts (as of September 2) on sale. It
works out to be about $3.10 per gallon.

(Today, diesel fuel here was priced at +/- $3.65 per gallon.)

A friend of mine is using Crisco in his diesel powered Dodge Ram 2500
pickup truck.

He says he gets 25 to 27+ mpg on the highway (about 10% less than diesel
fuel), vegetable oil provides better lubrication for the fuel injectors
than diesel fuel and it doesn't stink of diesel. He says the diesel
engine exhaust smells like McDonald's french fries.
:-)

I wonder if Mel-Fry would be better? Sure makes better fries!

-Bill

-ex- wrote:
VOA SWLer wrote:



If anyone is using diesel, the local Giant food store here in Laurel,
Maryland is selling their brand name vegetable oil and Crisco oil in
bottles of a little over two quarts (as of September 2) on sale. It
works out to be about $3.10 per gallon.

(Today, diesel fuel here was priced at +/- $3.65 per gallon.)

A friend of mine is using Crisco in his diesel powered Dodge Ram 2500
pickup truck.

He says he gets 25 to 27+ mpg on the highway (about 10% less than
diesel fuel), vegetable oil provides better lubrication for the fuel
injectors than diesel fuel and it doesn't stink of diesel. He says
the diesel engine exhaust smells like McDonald's french fries.
:-)


I wonder if Mel-Fry would be better? Sure makes better fries!

-Bill

Do a search on SVO (straight vegetable oil). It is a good match for most
diesels, but it usually won't start the engine, and at room temperature is
borderline too thick to safely pass through the injectors. The solution to these
problems is to start the engine on diesel, and use the engine coolant to preheat
the SVO. When the engine is up to temperature, switch to SVO. When you are
a couple of miles from the end of your trip, switch back to diesel (to clear the
filters, pumps and lines of SVO)

Also, if your friend doesn't want to have to fill his truck bed with empty
VO bottles, he can buy the stuff in 55 gallon plastic barrels for a much reduced
price.

-Chuck

OBTW, using SVO in an on-the-road vehicle is illegal both federally, and in most
states, as you aren't paying the required per gallon road taxes. The road taxes
amount to about $1 per gallon of the price of fuel. It is also illegal to run a hybrid
using a battery charger, for the same reason... non commercial use is unlikely to be
caught in the near term, however. As SVO becomes more popular, I am sure that
the local constabulary will find ample time to pull over any vehicle that smells like
a fryer. The fines for running untaxed motor fuel on the road are very steep.

"Chuck Harris" wrote in message
...
-ex- wrote:
VOA SWLer wrote:



If anyone is using diesel, the local Giant food store here in Laurel,
Maryland is selling their brand name vegetable oil and Crisco oil in
bottles of a little over two quarts (as of September 2) on sale. It
works out to be about $3.10 per gallon.

(Today, diesel fuel here was priced at +/- $3.65 per gallon.)

A friend of mine is using Crisco in his diesel powered Dodge Ram 2500
pickup truck.

He says he gets 25 to 27+ mpg on the highway (about 10% less than diesel
fuel), vegetable oil provides better lubrication for the fuel injectors
than diesel fuel and it doesn't stink of diesel. He says the diesel
engine exhaust smells like McDonald's french fries.
:-)


I wonder if Mel-Fry would be better? Sure makes better fries!

-Bill

Do a search on SVO (straight vegetable oil). It is a good match for most
diesels, but it usually won't start the engine, and at room temperature is
borderline too thick to safely pass through the injectors. The solution
to these
problems is to start the engine on diesel, and use the engine coolant to
preheat
the SVO. When the engine is up to temperature, switch to SVO. When you
are
a couple of miles from the end of your trip, switch back to diesel (to
clear the
filters, pumps and lines of SVO)

Also, if your friend doesn't want to have to fill his truck bed with empty
VO bottles, he can buy the stuff in 55 gallon plastic barrels for a much
reduced
price.

-Chuck

OBTW, using SVO in an on-the-road vehicle is illegal both federally, and
in most
states, as you aren't paying the required per gallon road taxes. The road
taxes
amount to about $1 per gallon of the price of fuel. It is also illegal to
run a hybrid
using a battery charger, for the same reason... non commercial use is
unlikely to be
caught in the near term, however. As SVO becomes more popular, I am sure
that
the local constabulary will find ample time to pull over any vehicle that
smells like
a fryer. The fines for running untaxed motor fuel on the road are very
steep.

How about if I brew up some moonshine and run it in my '31 Model A Ford
(hic, excuse me)?

Jerry

Can you provide cites? I can't beleive that i would be breaking a law if
I drove a solar powered vehicle.

OBTW, using SVO in an on-the-road vehicle is illegal both federally, and
in most states, as you aren't paying the required per gallon road taxes. The road
taxes
amount to about $1 per gallon of the price of fuel. It is also illegal to
run a hybrid
using a battery charger, for the same reason... non commercial use is
unlikely to be
caught in the near term, however. As SVO becomes more popular, I am sure
that
the local constabulary will find ample time to pull over any vehicle that
smells like
a fryer. The fines for running untaxed motor fuel on the road are very
steep.






--
Joe Leikhim K4SAT
"The RFI-EMI-GUY"

The Lost Deep Thoughts By: Jack Handey
Before a mad scientist goes mad, there's probably a time
when he's only partially mad. And this is the time when he's
going to throw his best parties.

Chuck Harris wrote:


OBTW, using SVO in an on-the-road vehicle is illegal both federally, and
in most
states, as you aren't paying the required per gallon road taxes.

Who cares? What are the chances of him being stopped by an IRS
"revenuer" or a state official because his exhaust smells of french
fries?

Nil!

VOA SWLer wrote:
Chuck Harris wrote:


OBTW, using SVO in an on-the-road vehicle is illegal both federally,
and in most
states, as you aren't paying the required per gallon road taxes.


Who cares? What are the chances of him being stopped by an IRS
"revenuer" or a state official because his exhaust smells of french
fries?

Getting better all the time! When it was just one or two cars doing
it, the chances were nil. But now there are websites dedicated to
running SVO, or biodiesel. The legislature in MD, for one, had already
addressed the issue, and will be taxing biodiesel in all forms.

Considering that the fine is in the thousands of dollars, it might
be important to you if you decide to run SVO, or off road diesel.

-Chuck

VOA SWLer wrote:
A friend of mine is using Crisco in his diesel powered Dodge Ram 2500 pickup truck.

He says he gets 25 to 27+ mpg on the highway (about 10% less than diesel fuel),
vegetable oil provides better lubrication for the fuel injectors than diesel
fuel and it doesn't stink of diesel. He says the diesel engine exhaust smells
like McDonald's french fries.

It's acidic enough that it will eventually corrode the fuel injectors
if he does this for too long without adding some buffering or cutting it
with diesel. But that should be fine to get us through the current
shortage.

Likewise my local paint store is selling VM&P naptha for around $2/gal.
A gasoline engine won't run on it alone terribly well, but you can cut
gasoline with it without any harm. (Admittedly I say this as a guy
with a car that predates catalytic converters).

Hmm... what are alcohol prices slike?
--scott

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