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"John Byrns" wrote in message ... In article . com, "Peter Wieck" wrote: The damnable part of all this is that none of it was actually necessary. But 'we' are in it now. Clinton could not keep it in his pants and got impeached and survived the experience. GWB could not keep in in his pants, and 2000+ American Military are dead along with thousands of American civilians, "thousands of American civilians", as a result of the war in Iraq? Isn't that shading the truth just a bit? no more than duping thousands of neglected, uneducated kids into fighting a war and justifying it on the basis that they are no longer civilians... randy |
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:19:07 -0700, "xrongor"
wrote: "John Byrns" wrote in message ... In article . com, "Peter Wieck" wrote: The damnable part of all this is that none of it was actually necessary. But 'we' are in it now. Clinton could not keep it in his pants and got impeached and survived the experience. GWB could not keep in in his pants, and 2000+ American Military are dead along with thousands of American civilians, "thousands of American civilians", as a result of the war in Iraq? Isn't that shading the truth just a bit? no more than duping thousands of neglected, uneducated kids into fighting a war and justifying it on the basis that they are no longer civilians... randy Face it! You and Peter are just sissies! |
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Sissies....
Beer, with all due respect, if you say so. And if you mean by "sissies" that I (we) value human life over testosterone poisoning, I would be proud of the designation. Be well, have a good Thanksgiving! Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA |
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On 23 Nov 2005 07:01:14 -0800, "Peter Wieck" wrote:
Sissies.... Beer, with all due respect, if you say so. And if you mean by "sissies" that I (we) value human life over testosterone poisoning, I would be proud of the designation. Be well, have a good Thanksgiving! Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA Good for you! We go to the middle east for 2 different reasons that is for damn sure. It has nothing to do with testosterone. It has everything to do with supporting your country. I think in your case you should have stayed with the people you love so dearly. We sure don't need or want you here. |
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Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
Samuel Johnson, 1775 Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA |
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On 23 Nov 2005 07:12:02 -0800, "Peter Wieck" wrote:
Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. Samuel Johnson, 1775 Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA I would rather be a scoundrel than a coward.......I'll tell your buddies you said hi when I get there next month. |
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Beerbarrel wrote:
Good for you! We go to the middle east for 2 different reasons that is for damn sure. It has nothing to do with testosterone. It has everything to do with supporting your country. I think in your case you should have stayed with the people you love so dearly. We sure don't need or want you here. The 2 Reasons for Iraq War = Oil and Bush. I think we could do without Beerbarrel thinking. Lazy Senior |
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Peter Wieck wrote:
Sissies.... Beer, with all due respect, if you say so. And if you mean by "sissies" that I (we) value human life over testosterone poisoning, I would be proud of the designation. Be well, have a good Thanksgiving! Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA Beerbarrel certainly doesnt deserve anyones respect. Lazy Senior |
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On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:26:36 GMT, Lazy Senior
wrote: Beerbarrel wrote: Good for you! We go to the middle east for 2 different reasons that is for damn sure. It has nothing to do with testosterone. It has everything to do with supporting your country. I think in your case you should have stayed with the people you love so dearly. We sure don't need or want you here. The 2 Reasons for Iraq War = Oil and Bush. I think we could do without Beerbarrel thinking. Lazy Senior I think euthanasia would be the plan for you. |
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On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:28:45 GMT, Lazy Senior
wrote: Peter Wieck wrote: Sissies.... Beer, with all due respect, if you say so. And if you mean by "sissies" that I (we) value human life over testosterone poisoning, I would be proud of the designation. Be well, have a good Thanksgiving! Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA Beerbarrel certainly doesnt deserve anyones respect. Lazy Senior I'm not asking for any....especially yours. |
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Don Bowey wrote:
I, and possibly others, disagree with you trying to speak for us. Don With his viscious thinking, no one would admit to agreeing with Beerbarrel. I would suggest we drop this thread, we are going to change no ones mind about politics. Lets get back to discussing BA. Lazy Senior |
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"Lazy Senior" wrote in message news:S20hf.1207$R42.1201@trnddc01... | Don Bowey wrote: | | I, and possibly others, disagree with you trying to speak for us. | | Don | | | With his viscious thinking, no one would admit to agreeing with Beerbarrel. | | I would suggest we drop this thread, we are going to change no ones mind | about politics. Lets get back to discussing BA. | | Lazy Senior especially since your version of the facts have been debunked indeed yes let us move on. mit |
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MIT wrote:
especially since your version of the facts have been debunked indeed yes let us move on. mit Debunk? You cant debunk opinions. Opinions are like assholes - Everyone has one and they all stink except yours..... Lazy Senior |
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On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 23:12:23 GMT, Lazy Senior
wrote: MIT wrote: especially since your version of the facts have been debunked indeed yes let us move on. mit Debunk? You cant debunk opinions. Opinions are like assholes - Everyone has one and they all stink except yours..... Lazy Senior I see you can't even follow your own suggestion. That's funny... |
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Beerbarrel wrote:
I see you can't even follow your own suggestion. That's funny... I am just like you in this regard - I just have to have the last word. Lazy Senior |
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On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 00:25:39 GMT, Lazy Senior
wrote: Beerbarrel wrote: I see you can't even follow your own suggestion. That's funny... I am just like you in this regard - I just have to have the last word. Lazy Senior I'm not the one that suggested that we stop this thread....you are! Practice what you preach, deatbeat old timer! |
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Beerbarrel wrote:
sissies! It is popular fodder for Republicans to portray Democrats (or anyone else who rubs their fur the wrong way) as a bunch of wimps. Well, let's take a brief look at history over the last century....... World War I-Prosecuted by the administration of Woodrow Wilson, a Democrat. The first truly mechanized war, and the first widespread use of chemical weapons in war. The USA and its allies were ultimately victorious, but things soon turned ugly. Wilson's failed attempts to secure a lasting postwar peace led to a complete destruction of his health. Widespread postwar unemployment and a health care system strained to its limits by a pandemic spread by returning troops made victory bittersweet. World War II-Prosecuted by the administration of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, a Democrat. The most complete military victory in American history led to the emergence of the USA as a superpower, and the pent-up demand for long-rationed consumer goods led to a booming economy as well. But victory came at a heavy price....A quater of a million US lives lost, and a postwar world enormously complicated by the development and deployment of atomic weapons. Korean Conflict-Prosecuted by the administration of Harry S. Truman, a Democrat. Although some of the same brilliant strategists who engineered the victory in WWII were involved in this conflict (including Douglas MacArthur for a time), The best the US and its allies were able to accomplish in two years of fighting was a draw....Not good for a military action that claimed at least 32,000 American lives. Vietnam Conflict-Prosecuted by the administration of Lyndon B. Johnson, a Democrat. This war became so unpopular that Johnson was forced to give up his bid to serve the longest period of any post WWII president. By 1968, the nation was the most divided it had been since the Civil War. Richard Nixon, Johnson's White House Descendant, fared little better with the war effort and finally called it quits in 1973 after 55,000 American lives had been lost. It should be noted that many high-ranking officials of the current Bush administration came of age during the Vietnam involvement. Most of them, including the President himself, received student deferments and/or National Guard appointments and did not play a combat role in this conflict. Desert Storm-Prosecuted by the administration of George H.W. Bush, a Republican. Mission accomplished.....light casualties and total victory over the enemy in a popular and patriotic war. Sounds like a home run, right? That's what the Republicans thought, too....Until voters sent Bush packing in favor of Republican arch-enemy Bill Clinton, making Bush the first single-term Republican president since Herbert Hoover. It can be seen that the outcome and aftermath of these conflicts is definitely a mixed bag, and that most of them were prosecuted by Democratic administrations. Does the current Democratic skittishness about the Iraq war mean that they are just sissies and wimps-or could it be that it is because the Democrats have learned some awful truths about the social and political costs of waging modern warfare that the Republicans have yet to learn? -Scott - |
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Scott W. Harvey wrote:
Beerbarrel wrote: sissies! It is popular fodder for Republicans to portray Democrats (or anyone else who rubs their fur the wrong way) as a bunch of wimps. Well, let's take a brief look at history over the last century....... No, lets don't. The Dem/Repub debate weirdnesses have taken on a totally new character in recent years. 'Pubs want to blow the enemies off the face of the earth come hell or high water and scoot it under legal and public scrutiny while Dems....well, Dems haven't offered anything except a whiney campaign about how the Pubs are doing it all wrong. I'd rather be in a trench with a 'pub when the bullets are flying. I wonder if those folks scurrying out of the WTC would have been prone to wave a partisan flag before they died? Party politics didn't result in their death. Nutters from another part of the planet caused their demise. I say deal with the nutters rather than each other. -Bill |
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In Bill writes:
No, lets don't. The Dem/Repub debate weirdnesses have taken on a totally new character in recent years. 'Pubs want to blow the enemies off the face of the earth come hell or high water and scoot it under legal and public scrutiny while Dems....well, Dems haven't offered anything except a whiney campaign about how the Pubs are doing it all wrong. I'd rather be in a trench with a 'pub when the bullets are flying. By and large I stay out of politics. Hell, I don't even live in America -- I live in New York City. But this "What have they offered?" always bugs me. "Offering" in this sense means a sound bite or slogan that can be reduced to a media headline. Which is never the whole truth and nothing but the truth. C'mon, Bill! I know you don't really believe any viable solution to the problems of the modern world can be reduced to 500 words or less. Any offered plan in this sense is simply playing to mass sentiment, and bereft of the details needed to make it work. Now let's go get 'em! You know, THEM!!! -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- |
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Well said Mr. Liberal! Want to share the cat food?
I (and at least half the population of the US) am sick and tired and extremely offended by the right-wing, neo-conservative, propaganda slant that equates the word "liberal" with various *expletive deleted* words. Fact is, most of us are moderates. Extreme left and extreme right orientation is much smaller. Anyone with at least an IQ of 100 will look at both sides and draw conclusions from both. You neo-conservative bozos are going to pay dearly in the next big election. I classify my political views as "extremely moderate". I have voted for republicans and democrats based on their stance. Lately I tend to vote for democrats as a statement against the whacko neo republicans who have gained favor (for whatever unknown reason) in the last couple of years. Anyone conservatively oriented should wake up and return to real conservative political values and reject the "neo" crap and the "evangelical Christian" crap. Otherwise, you are going down! Phil B "Beerbarrel" wrote in message ... On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 19:19:53 -0700, "xrongor" wrote: "Beerbarrel" wrote in message . .. On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 16:59:50 -0500, " Uncle Peter" wrote: "Lazy Senior" wrote in message news:J9Nff.1009$792.780@trnddc08... Carefull, Bush supporters are a bit testy these days...... Lazy Senior Better watch it. They are talking about cutting back on the food stamp program. It might be back to catfood for you. Canned at that! ah the conservatives always bring it down to this level when they have nothing else to say. randy Well said Mr. Liberal! Want to share the cat food? |
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On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 22:47:42 -0800, "Scott W. Harvey"
wrote: Beerbarrel wrote: sissies! It is popular fodder for Republicans to portray Democrats (or anyone else who rubs their fur the wrong way) as a bunch of wimps. I'm not going to read that gibberish. I was pointing the coward comment at Peter and xranger. Look back at all the posts. This was not a political thread until they started posting. If they want to start OT political rants then they need to be prepared for comments. It is as simple as that. I still say....let's go in with guns blazing and finish the job. |
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On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 03:18:01 -0500, "Phil B"
wrote: Well said Mr. Liberal! Want to share the cat food? I (and at least half the population of the US) am sick and tired and extremely offended by the right-wing, neo-conservative, propaganda slant that equates the word "liberal" with various *expletive deleted* words. Fact is, most of us are moderates. Extreme left and extreme right orientation is much smaller. Anyone with at least an IQ of 100 will look at both sides and draw conclusions from both. I did...I concluded that liberals suck! You neo-conservative bozos are going to pay dearly in the next big election. I'm not going to pay anything. Unlike sissy liberals, I'm prepared to support the next president whomever that may be. I classify my political views as "extremely moderate". Come on! You can say liberal can't you? I have voted for republicans and democrats based on their stance. Lately I tend to vote for democrats as a statement against the whacko neo republicans who have gained favor (for whatever unknown reason) in the last couple of years. Anyone conservatively oriented should wake up and return to real conservative political values and reject the "neo" crap and the "evangelical Christian" crap. Otherwise, you are going down! Phil B You never got over losing did you? "Beerbarrel" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 19:19:53 -0700, "xrongor" wrote: "Beerbarrel" wrote in message ... On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 16:59:50 -0500, " Uncle Peter" wrote: "Lazy Senior" wrote in message news:J9Nff.1009$792.780@trnddc08... Carefull, Bush supporters are a bit testy these days...... Lazy Senior Better watch it. They are talking about cutting back on the food stamp program. It might be back to catfood for you. Canned at that! ah the conservatives always bring it down to this level when they have nothing else to say. randy Well said Mr. Liberal! Want to share the cat food? |
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The democrats used to be "hawks". Now the neo-cons are the hawks. What a
change! Regardless, the outcome of the current war is very apparent. Traditional conservative political values have been hijacked by Bush II and his cronies. I am looking forward to the coming major elections. I think a return to bi-partisan, middle-of-the road, more sensible, politics will appeal to voters. That is, if the widely spread "neo" propaganda doesn't brainwash the majority. I prefer to think optimistically that it won't. Phil B "Scott W. Harvey" wrote in message ... Beerbarrel wrote: sissies! It is popular fodder for Republicans to portray Democrats (or anyone else who rubs their fur the wrong way) as a bunch of wimps. Well, let's take a brief look at history over the last century....... World War I-Prosecuted by the administration of Woodrow Wilson, a Democrat. The first truly mechanized war, and the first widespread use of chemical weapons in war. The USA and its allies were ultimately victorious, but things soon turned ugly. Wilson's failed attempts to secure a lasting postwar peace led to a complete destruction of his health. Widespread postwar unemployment and a health care system strained to its limits by a pandemic spread by returning troops made victory bittersweet. World War II-Prosecuted by the administration of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, a Democrat. The most complete military victory in American history led to the emergence of the USA as a superpower, and the pent-up demand for long-rationed consumer goods led to a booming economy as well. But victory came at a heavy price....A quater of a million US lives lost, and a postwar world enormously complicated by the development and deployment of atomic weapons. Korean Conflict-Prosecuted by the administration of Harry S. Truman, a Democrat. Although some of the same brilliant strategists who engineered the victory in WWII were involved in this conflict (including Douglas MacArthur for a time), The best the US and its allies were able to accomplish in two years of fighting was a draw....Not good for a military action that claimed at least 32,000 American lives. Vietnam Conflict-Prosecuted by the administration of Lyndon B. Johnson, a Democrat. This war became so unpopular that Johnson was forced to give up his bid to serve the longest period of any post WWII president. By 1968, the nation was the most divided it had been since the Civil War. Richard Nixon, Johnson's White House Descendant, fared little better with the war effort and finally called it quits in 1973 after 55,000 American lives had been lost. It should be noted that many high-ranking officials of the current Bush administration came of age during the Vietnam involvement. Most of them, including the President himself, received student deferments and/or National Guard appointments and did not play a combat role in this conflict. Desert Storm-Prosecuted by the administration of George H.W. Bush, a Republican. Mission accomplished.....light casualties and total victory over the enemy in a popular and patriotic war. Sounds like a home run, right? That's what the Republicans thought, too....Until voters sent Bush packing in favor of Republican arch-enemy Bill Clinton, making Bush the first single-term Republican president since Herbert Hoover. It can be seen that the outcome and aftermath of these conflicts is definitely a mixed bag, and that most of them were prosecuted by Democratic administrations. Does the current Democratic skittishness about the Iraq war mean that they are just sissies and wimps-or could it be that it is because the Democrats have learned some awful truths about the social and political costs of waging modern warfare that the Republicans have yet to learn? -Scott - |
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Tim Mullen wrote:
By and large I stay out of politics. Hell, I don't even live in America -- I live in New York City. But this "What have they offered?" always bugs me. "Offering" in this sense means a sound bite or slogan that can be reduced to a media headline. Which is never the whole truth and nothing but the truth. C'mon, Bill! I know you don't really believe any viable solution to the problems of the modern world can be reduced to 500 words or less. Any offered plan in this sense is simply playing to mass sentiment, and bereft of the details needed to make it work. Now let's go get 'em! You know, THEM!!! I'll take 250 words of anybody's mass sentiment pitch if they don't include worn out homilies that only mention bashing 'the Bush administration' and 'quagmire' as THE platform. I don't expect any mortal to have the answers but I'd sure like to see someone who pretends to have a better option. No one does...ummm, maybe because they know better. What if a major Dem were to surface and say "Lets pull out tomorrow, lock, stock and barrel. Let those *******s go thru civil war until they get their **** together". Now wouldn't that ring as loud a Conservative Bell as a major RePub saying "kill them all and let Allah sort 'em out" ? Seems to be the same thing to me. Waxing political, I happen to think the answer is dividing up the hellhole like was done in the Balkans because these factions just aren't gonna agree on anything as a whole. That doesn't prevent the nutty voluntary martyrs with a belt of explosives from doing their deeds - but at least it provides a mechanism for the US to get the heck out of there...which is now becoming more of a focus. Maybe we are getting close. This summit in Cairo where the guys asked for a timetable for US withdrawal was a good sign. If the 'official' Iraqi gubmnit (FWIW) were to ask this we should assign another 100,000 troops to go over there and help the troops pack their bags and be out of there tomorrow. I think the Iraqi authorities are much more credible in that regard and see the extended US occupation as a problem rather than a solution. Zeroing back to the point. Bush ain't gonna back down. He can't politically. Its up to you Dems to find some leadership to make this happen. So strap on a pair of balls and kwitcher-bitching and quit forking up uniquely Northeastern woosie french-fag-type candidates like Kerry and that high-school cheerleader guy from Vermont. Bush's satifaction rating is in the 30% range and I don't see any Dem capitalizing on that. Do you guys need a book or something? -ex |
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Phil B wrote:
The democrats used to be "hawks". Now the neo-cons are the hawks. What a change! Regardless, the outcome of the current war is very apparent. Traditional conservative political values have been hijacked by Bush II and his cronies. I am looking forward to the coming major elections. I think a return to bi-partisan, middle-of-the road, more sensible, politics will appeal to voters. That is, if the widely spread "neo" propaganda doesn't brainwash the majority. I prefer to think optimistically that it won't. Phil B How many Dem-negative-buzzwords can I pick out of that post? neo-cons cronies brainwash I agree with your post but the parrot mentality is what keeps us from accord. Whats a "neo-con"? Did this exist 10 years ago? No. How can one make a cogent argument when the terminology suggests that the writer has been brought up with accusatory spoon-fed terminology from one side (or the other) as a means of making a point? What ever happened to individual thought that wasn't influenced by campaign designer?. |
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Tim Mullen wrote:
I know you don't really believe any viable solution to the problems of the modern world can be reduced to 500 words or less. The core, the essence of being a Republican is nothing which takes long to explain can be true (50 words is more like it). You must hate America You must hate freedom You must hate our troops Clinton lied We are the only moral ones Etc. I do admire their ability to stay on message no matter what the cost. Everything must be cast in the starkest, most black and white way. I often play by the rule book myself now, as I have to agree the Dems just don't sound bite well enough without this approach. John H. |
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On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 03:18:01 -0500, "Phil B"
wrote: Well said Mr. Liberal! Want to share the cat food? I (and at least half the population of the US) am sick and tired and extremely offended by the right-wing, neo-conservative, propaganda slant that equates the word "liberal" with various *expletive deleted* words. Fact is, most of us are moderates. Extreme left and extreme right orientation is much smaller. Anyone with at least an IQ of 100 will look at both sides and draw conclusions from both. You neo-conservative bozos are going to pay dearly in the next big election. I classify my political views as "extremely moderate". I have voted for republicans and democrats based on their stance. Lately I tend to vote for democrats as a statement against the whacko neo republicans who have gained favor (for whatever unknown reason) in the last couple of years. Anyone conservatively oriented should wake up and return to real conservative political values and reject the "neo" crap and the "evangelical Christian" crap. Otherwise, you are going down! Phil B I find it funny that you complain about the way conservatives try to portray the word liberal and then you turn around in this posts and your next post and do the exact same thing to the word conservative. You are the reason I don't and won't vote for a liberal. You are allowed all the negative rhetoric you wish to throw out but if someone on the other side fires back you run crying to your mommy 'cause the big bully is being mean to you. Steve B. |
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On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:06:57 GMT, Steve B. wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 03:18:01 -0500, "Phil B" wrote: Well said Mr. Liberal! Want to share the cat food? I (and at least half the population of the US) am sick and tired and extremely offended by the right-wing, neo-conservative, propaganda slant that equates the word "liberal" with various *expletive deleted* words. Fact is, most of us are moderates. Extreme left and extreme right orientation is much smaller. Anyone with at least an IQ of 100 will look at both sides and draw conclusions from both. You neo-conservative bozos are going to pay dearly in the next big election. I classify my political views as "extremely moderate". I have voted for republicans and democrats based on their stance. Lately I tend to vote for democrats as a statement against the whacko neo republicans who have gained favor (for whatever unknown reason) in the last couple of years. Anyone conservatively oriented should wake up and return to real conservative political values and reject the "neo" crap and the "evangelical Christian" crap. Otherwise, you are going down! Phil B I find it funny that you complain about the way conservatives try to portray the word liberal and then you turn around in this posts and your next post and do the exact same thing to the word conservative. You are the reason I don't and won't vote for a liberal. You are allowed all the negative rhetoric you wish to throw out but if someone on the other side fires back you run crying to your mommy 'cause the big bully is being mean to you. Steve B. Hehehehe...funny and true! |
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On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 21:38:06 -0400, Bill wrote:
Lazy Senior wrote: Bill wrote: But what they DID have was WMDs -Bill Bill You been watching WAY too much Fox News Network. Iraq HAD WMD's? Where you been the last year?? Lazy Senior Where is your memory? What do you think he gassed his Kurdish citizens with? Does that not count as a WMD or do you have a stricter definition? Why were UN inspectors there so many years? What about the program to DISMANTLE such manufacturing facilites after he invaded Kuwait. Why did he throw out the inspectors? Convenient for your side of the argument that you omit the implications of 4000 murdered on US soil Four full years later and you still can't get the numbers right. Just ****ing give up. and the need to mitigate such occurences in the future. Your 'side' is very short on alternative solutions but very long on criticism. Bad recent intelligence? You betcha. No denying that. Sold a bill of false goods by the President to start a war without any discernable reason? Lets use the same standard of proof and stop playing partisan roles. WMDs or not the underlying issues remain and thats the radical doctrine of killing anything/anybody Western. We've got plenty of proof there. Do you need proof that the Saddam regime was sympathetic to this cause and was a major point of instability in the region? We ain't gonna win this one with simple hugs and trying to be good neighbors...and we damn sure won't win it with internal bickering. Bring us a good candidate to deal with this 'quagmire' in 2008. Good night, Bill |
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On 22 Nov 2005 07:18:16 -0800, "Peter Wieck" wrote:
There are too many not to provide regular and easy targets to the tune of about 2.7 per day, on average, fatalities. Not to mentioned wounded and crippled, not to mention US citizens as private contractors in the region. However, others in this newsgroup would obviously welcome the death and maiming because of the economic activity (dollars going back into the US) generated by it. How else justify the war on the basis of the contribution to the US economy? It is said that, had the Exxon Valdez arrived safely at its destination port, it would have been a minor bump to the economy. But by generating the spill, it made a much greater contribution due to the billions expended in cleanup costs, lawyers, accountants, court personnel, etc. So maybe we should just destroy the rest of the world and enjoy the economic benefts of rebuilding it. By that standard, Katrina was the best thing to happen to the US ecnomy this year. Right up there with the economic devastation resulting from Enron and other cronies of the prsent administration. The court costs alone for these events are staggering. |
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:10:32 GMT, Lazy Senior
wrote: xrongor wrote: lacking a real plan for the economy, the president chose a war. not the best reason to go to war... but hey, if it will help the economy, why dont we start two? randy It ok as long as YOU or your family aint doin the fighing and dying...... Thank you for the clear statiment of the administration and congressional positions. Lazy Senior |
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:56:49 GMT, Dave Heil
wrote: Peter Wieck wrote: John: The amount of $$ appropriated for the Gulf War to-date is ~averaging 4.8 billion-with-a-B dollars per month. Allow 24 months, that comes to: $115,200,000,000 . 115,200,000,000/285,000,000 = $404/person. As of November 5. This does not count the thousands of contracts for 'infrastructure' and other items. That total brings the cost-per-capita to around $750/person excepting those employed by Haliburton. I would still rather see that money spent in West Virginia for schools... Thanks very much but we have plenty of schools. We have so many that a number are being closed. School consolidation is taking place. If you'd like to send us something, we could use prime beef or Stilton cheese. ...or Mississippi, or Louisiana, even Texas, Alabama or Arkansas. God help us, even Camden, NJ. At least when my present-and-future grandchildren are paying it back there will be a discernable benefit. "discernible" I think we are seeing and will see such a benefit. I don't put a price on my freedom. But that would be too much like thinking from an administration bankrupt in that skill. You're an expert in foreign policy, are you? I like a lot of folks much more when you're discussing boatanchors. Funny, we feel the same way about you. Dave Heil K8MN |
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On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 10:07:43 -0500, Beerbarrel
wrote: On 23 Nov 2005 07:01:14 -0800, "Peter Wieck" wrote: Sissies.... Beer, with all due respect, if you say so. And if you mean by "sissies" that I (we) value human life over testosterone poisoning, I would be proud of the designation. Be well, have a good Thanksgiving! Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA Good for you! We go to the middle east for 2 different reasons that is for damn sure. It has nothing to do with testosterone. It has everything to do with supporting your country. I think in your case you should have stayed with the people you love so dearly. We sure don't need or want you here. "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." --Theodore Roosevelt, May 7, 1918 |
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On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 10:20:32 -0500, Beerbarrel
wrote: On 23 Nov 2005 07:12:02 -0800, "Peter Wieck" wrote: Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. Samuel Johnson, 1775 Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA I would rather be a scoundrel than a coward.......I'll tell your buddies you said hi when I get there next month. You'll be a hell of a lot more shy there than you are here. |
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On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:11:02 -0400, Bill wrote:
wrote: Bill wrote: Convenient for your side of the argument that you omit the implications of 4000 murdered on US soil Four full years later and you still can't get the numbers right. Just ****ing give up. Ok, 3213. Does that change my point? -Bill No, because the answer is less than 2,000. |
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