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....Since you are a UPS customer, we want to give you advance notice of
new UPS rates that will take effect January 2, 2006. You can click here by December 12, 2005 to request a reminder e-mail when the new rates go into effect and the 2006 UPS Rate and Service Guide is available on ups.comŽ. UPS published On-Demand Rates* will change as follows: Commercial Ground will increase 3.9%, and UPS Air and International Services will increase 5.5%....Adjustments will be made to accessorial charges in 2006. The residential surcharge for UPS Ground will increase by $0.25. The residential surcharge for UPS Air Services and UPS 3 Day SelectSM will increase by $0.35. The Additional Handling charge and the charge for Collect on Delivery (C.O.D.) service will increase by $1 per package. UPS Delivery Confirmation and Signature Required services will increase by $0.25 per package, and Adult Signature Required service will increase by $0.50. On December 1, 2005, you may view all On-Demand Rates and accessorial charges for 2006 at ondemandrates.ups.com. Updated service and rate information, as well as a downloadable copy of the 2006 UPS Rate and Service Guide, will be available on ups.com on January 2, 2006. Thank you for the business you entrust to UPS.... |
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David Stinson wrote:
...Since you are a UPS customer, we want to give you advance notice of new UPS rates that will take effect January 2, 2006. You can click here by December 12, 2005 to request a reminder e-mail when the new rates go into effect and the 2006 UPS Rate and Service Guide is available on ups.comŽ. They're just doing that to keep up with the USPS rate increase because they have the opportunity to get away with it :( -Bill |
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Bill wrote:
David Stinson wrote: ...Since you are a UPS customer, we want to give you advance notice of new UPS rates that will take effect January 2, 2006. You can click here by December 12, 2005 to request a reminder e-mail when the new rates go into effect and the 2006 UPS Rate and Service Guide is available on ups.comŽ. They're just doing that to keep up with the USPS rate increase because they have the opportunity to get away with it :( -Bill Actually by law UPS and its competitors must charge three (3) times what the Post Office charges for its priority packages and letters. UPS would love to reduce its rates. It would mean more business for them. Dave N |
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"David G. Nagel" wrote in message ... Bill wrote: David Stinson wrote: ...Since you are a UPS customer, we want to give you advance notice of new UPS rates that will take effect January 2, 2006. You can click here by December 12, 2005 to request a reminder e-mail when the new rates go into effect and the 2006 UPS Rate and Service Guide is available on ups.comŽ. They're just doing that to keep up with the USPS rate increase because they have the opportunity to get away with it :( -Bill Actually by law UPS and its competitors must charge three (3) times what the Post Office charges for its priority packages and letters. UPS would love to reduce its rates. It would mean more business for them. I'd like to see that in writing. For domestic shipping, FedEx is often cheaper than USPS (I don't have the option of using FedEx or UPS, since I'm at a military APO). The upside of this is, if I DID use FedEx for US shipping, it would cost me over $200 for a 20lb parcel.. but USPS charges only for shipping from San Francisco to any point stateside. |
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"Bill" wrote in message ... A question, Bren...do they do the 7.70 Flat Rate Priority for APO addresses? They do here but I consistently have guys quoting $10-20 for priority mail for small heavy stuff because they don't know the system...or they believe what the goofy postal clerk told them :) Yep, sure do.. and the other size Flat Rate boxes as well. Know what you mean about soaking you on shipping.. I see them all the time that want to add heavy extra charges to ship to APO/FPO (even when their normal shipping is via USPS!!). There was one seller I saw the other day with a SMALL ITEM (think it was a friggin' piece of software) that wanted to charge an EXTRA $30 on top of his already ludicrous $15 shipping cost to ship to me.. and he shipped only via USPS Priority mail. I steer clear of those sorts of crooks. |
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Brenda Ann wrote:
normal shipping is via USPS!!). There was one seller I saw the other day with a SMALL ITEM (think it was a friggin' piece of software) that wanted to charge an EXTRA $30 on top of his already ludicrous $15 shipping cost to ship to me.. and he shipped only via USPS Priority mail. I steer clear of those sorts of crooks. Know 'em well. Of course that extra $30 is justified for the "extra paperwork" :-) A pox on these sellers that think US postal rates end at "Conus 48" I think most of these "Conus 48" guys are just clueless and parrot what they hear others saying. -Bill |
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How cool. Now they can charge more for ruining more antique radios.
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anyone ever expect to get a notice of rates going down?
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"Chuck Harris" wrote in message ... mike murphy wrote: anyone ever expect to get a notice of rates going down? The rates can't go down, because the economy keeps inflating. The inflation rate may be slow, 1% to 5% per year, but it is inflating none the less. Everyone wants their salaries to keep rising, so ... yeah thats the ticket. salaries are skyrocketing so fast its causing inflation..... voted for bush too, did ya? randy |
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Chuck Harris wrote:
The rates can't go down, because the economy keeps inflating. The inflation rate may be slow, 1% to 5% per year, but it is inflating none the less. Everyone wants their salaries to keep rising, so ... -Chuck The economy keeps inflating cuz we have a president who spends money like a drunken sailor on a saturday night. The national deficit is trillions cause he doesnt know how or want to balance a budget. Course we got a War going that is costing us billions and dont forget our prez's oil buddies who got a nice tax cut while making billions in profits. Not surprising UPS has to raise rates when diesel is $3 a gallon or more.... I havent even mentioned about ham gear going up cause the yen is strong against our deficited dollar- and its going to get much worse. Lazy Senior |
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Chuck Harris wrote:
Whether or not I voted for Bush is of course, immaterial. Do you recall the level of inflation that existed when Carter was president? How about the relative gas prices? Oh, probably not, you weren't born yet. -Chuck That's the way to go, ridicule someone you dont agree with.. Most people dont care what happened 25 yrs ago, we are worried about now and the future..... Lazy Senior |
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voted for bush too, did ya? randy Carefull, Bush supporters are a bit testy these days...... Lazy Senior |
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"Lazy Senior" wrote in message news:J9Nff.1009$792.780@trnddc08... Carefull, Bush supporters are a bit testy these days...... Lazy Senior Better watch it. They are talking about cutting back on the food stamp program. It might be back to catfood for you. |
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Uncle Peter wrote:
Better watch it. They are talking about cutting back on the food stamp program. It might be back to catfood for you. You are certainly correct Uncle, this president doesnt care about the poor, only his rich friends. Lazy Senior |
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On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 23:18:45 -0400, Bill wrote:
David Stinson wrote: ...Since you are a UPS customer, we want to give you advance notice of new UPS rates that will take effect January 2, 2006. You can click here by December 12, 2005 to request a reminder e-mail when the new rates go into effect and the 2006 UPS Rate and Service Guide is available on ups.comŽ. They're just doing that to keep up with the USPS rate increase because they have the opportunity to get away with it :( -Bill I think they're just trying to deal with higher fuel prices. One of my regional delivery services, Lone Star Overnight, now adds a "Fuel Surcharge" to all deliveries. It's about $1.50 to $2.00 for a run of about 180 miles. Bob k5qwg |
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 16:07:19 -0500, Chuck Harris
wrote: xrongor wrote: "Chuck Harris" wrote in message ... mike murphy wrote: anyone ever expect to get a notice of rates going down? The rates can't go down, because the economy keeps inflating. The inflation rate may be slow, 1% to 5% per year, but it is inflating none the less. Everyone wants their salaries to keep rising, so ... yeah thats the ticket. salaries are skyrocketing so fast its causing inflation..... voted for bush too, did ya? Whether or not I voted for Bush is of course, immaterial. Do you recall the level of inflation that existed when Carter was president? How about the relative gas prices? Oh, probably not, you weren't born yet. It is rare for a person's wages to go down. Bull**** -- to the extent that wages don't rise with inflation, they're going down. Except for the employees at the top, whose wages go up even as the company goes down the toilet. There's also the well-known model of "encouraging the employees to work another 10% of hours per week. Of course it's voluntary, but guess what -- it'll be "noticed" the next time the paltry "raise" comes around. They become such spiteful unhappy campers when that happens that companies would rather lay them off than lower their wages. -Chuck |
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:37:52 GMT, Lazy Senior
wrote: Chuck Harris wrote: Whether or not I voted for Bush is of course, immaterial. Do you recall the level of inflation that existed when Carter was president? How about the relative gas prices? Oh, probably not, you weren't born yet. -Chuck That's the way to go, ridicule someone you dont agree with.. Most people dont care what happened 25 yrs ago, we are worried about now and the future..... Lazy Senior Silly **** -- if you don't know what happened in the past, you'll never know how badly you're getting screwed in the present. I guess you'd be happy to forget each day how much you made yesterday so they can continue dropping your wages. |
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Iraq, geez, when will we learn???
I just heard that the war has cost every taxpayer about $27,000. That will have to be paid off over how many years now of deficits and cuts in services? It just makes me so mad that we let W (and mainly Cheney and Rumsfeld, who had been planning this war since before their days in Bush Sr.'s term) run us into this. I had a "No War" sign on my lawn from the start... so, I can speak, not like the "hindsight" hawks. Imagine if we had gone in there with massive infrastructure improvements. Iraquis would sure be on our side, we wouldnt have lost 2000+ men, nor would we have killed 20K+ of them. What a disaster, morally, economically, and ultimately, for years to come, for our homeland security. Our image in the world is ****. Those tribes done forget like we do a few years later! Anyone hear from Osama lately? NO, he's smart. Smarter than us. He'll be back, maybe 5-8 years from now when our $1.98 security is in full force. Mark Oppat "Lazy Senior" wrote in message news:uc6gf.5535$BC2.1430@trnddc04... wrote: .. I guess you'd be happy to forget each day how much you made yesterday so they can continue dropping your wages. Lazy dont gotta worry about wages, he's retired. Old Lazy's gotta worry about the President trying to steal his social Security and Pension and give it to all the Prez's rich friends...... Ole Lazy's also gotta worry about his grandsons getting killed in Iraq too. Lazy Senior |
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On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 18:41:32 -0500, "Mark Oppat"
wrote: Iraq, geez, when will we learn??? I just heard that the war has cost every taxpayer about $27,000. That will have to be paid off over how many years now of deficits and cuts in services? It just makes me so mad that we let W (and mainly Cheney and Rumsfeld, who had been planning this war since before their days in Bush Sr.'s term) run us into this. I had a "No War" sign on my lawn from the start... so, I can speak, not like the "hindsight" hawks. Imagine if we had gone in there with massive infrastructure improvements. Iraquis would sure be on our side, we wouldnt have lost 2000+ men, nor would we have killed 20K+ of them. What a disaster, morally, economically, and ultimately, for years to come, for our homeland security. Our image in the world is ****. Those tribes done forget like we do a few years later! Anyone hear from Osama lately? NO, he's smart. Smarter than us. He'll be back, maybe 5-8 years from now when our $1.98 security is in full force. Mark Oppat I think we killed more than 20000 of those *******s....hopefully we will get even more. |
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:12:56 -0700, "xrongor"
wrote: "Chuck Harris" wrote in message ... mike murphy wrote: anyone ever expect to get a notice of rates going down? The rates can't go down, because the economy keeps inflating. The inflation rate may be slow, 1% to 5% per year, but it is inflating none the less. Everyone wants their salaries to keep rising, so ... yeah thats the ticket. salaries are skyrocketing so fast its causing inflation..... voted for bush too, did ya? randy What a boob! If you have to post this garbage, take it to rec.radio.shortwave. They would love you over there. |
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:37:52 GMT, Lazy Senior
wrote: Chuck Harris wrote: Whether or not I voted for Bush is of course, immaterial. Do you recall the level of inflation that existed when Carter was president? How about the relative gas prices? Oh, probably not, you weren't born yet. -Chuck That's the way to go, ridicule someone you dont agree with.. Most people dont care what happened 25 yrs ago, we are worried about now and the future..... Lazy Senior So it's OK for Randy to ridicule Chuck but not the other way around? |
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 16:59:50 -0500, " Uncle Peter"
wrote: "Lazy Senior" wrote in message news:J9Nff.1009$792.780@trnddc08... Carefull, Bush supporters are a bit testy these days...... Lazy Senior Better watch it. They are talking about cutting back on the food stamp program. It might be back to catfood for you. Canned at that! |
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:33:49 GMT, Lazy Senior
wrote: Chuck Harris wrote: The rates can't go down, because the economy keeps inflating. The inflation rate may be slow, 1% to 5% per year, but it is inflating none the less. Everyone wants their salaries to keep rising, so ... -Chuck The economy keeps inflating cuz we have a president who spends money like a drunken sailor on a saturday night. The national deficit is trillions cause he doesnt know how or want to balance a budget. Course we got a War going that is costing us billions and dont forget our prez's oil buddies who got a nice tax cut while making billions in profits. Not surprising UPS has to raise rates when diesel is $3 a gallon or more.... I havent even mentioned about ham gear going up cause the yen is strong against our deficited dollar- and its going to get much worse. Lazy Senior Better reason to buy boatanchors! |
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On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 02:27:30 GMT, Bob Miller
wrote: On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 23:18:45 -0400, Bill wrote: David Stinson wrote: ...Since you are a UPS customer, we want to give you advance notice of new UPS rates that will take effect January 2, 2006. You can click here by December 12, 2005 to request a reminder e-mail when the new rates go into effect and the 2006 UPS Rate and Service Guide is available on ups.comŽ. They're just doing that to keep up with the USPS rate increase because they have the opportunity to get away with it :( -Bill I think they're just trying to deal with higher fuel prices. One of my regional delivery services, Lone Star Overnight, now adds a "Fuel Surcharge" to all deliveries. It's about $1.50 to $2.00 for a run of about 180 miles. Bob k5qwg It's the same in other industries too. We received a rate increase from our power company because of fuel costs. |
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Beerbarrel wrote:
Better reason to buy boatanchors! Dunno. But it's interesting... after the end of WWII, the amount of surplus equipment on the market was amazing. Even considering the total cost of the war being so high, it was amazing. After Korea, after Vietnam, after the Gulf War, there has been a move to shrink the size of the military a little, but nothing like what happened after WWII. And nothing like the amount of surplus stuff came out either. (There _was_ a lot of interesting captured radio gear on the market after the first Gulf War, though. Lots of ex-Soviet VHF-LO gear. Prices weren't so low, though.) Some of the wideband HF surveillance systems that were installed in the eighties should be about getting ready for boatanchor status, shouldn't they? I'll be looking forward to that. But it'll be very interesting to see what happens after this war is over, or at least when the buildup is over. Lots of UHF satellite gear coming down the pike in another five to ten years? --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Beerbarrel wrote:
So it's OK for Randy to ridicule Chuck but not the other way around? We dont need to ridicule, or make fun of, or call names of people we dont agree with. Nothing wrong with disagreeing and showing someone the error of their ways. What I have a problem with is (many people with egos on this forum do this) trying to belittle people. Disagree YES - belittle, call names - NO....... |
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On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 01:35:39 GMT, Lazy Senior
wrote: Beerbarrel wrote: So it's OK for Randy to ridicule Chuck but not the other way around? We dont need to ridicule, or make fun of, or call names of people we dont agree with. Nothing wrong with disagreeing and showing someone the error of their ways. What I have a problem with is (many people with egos on this forum do this) trying to belittle people. Disagree YES - belittle, call names - NO....... If that is your stance then you probably don't need to be on Usenet. You either get thick skin or leave. It gets really rough sometimes without moderation. I get a lot of crap but give it too sometimes. I find that moderated forums are the place to go if you have thin skin. |
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"John Byrns" wrote in message ... In article , "Mark Oppat" wrote: Iraq, geez, when will we learn??? I just heard that the war has cost every taxpayer about $27,000. That will have to be paid off over how many years now of deficits and cuts in services? Are you sure about that number, it sounds a little high? What has the monetary cost of the war been up to this point, and how many taxpayers does it assume? ignoring any personal feelings i have against the war for other reasons: lets say its high. lets say that is more than twice as high as what it is. lets say its only 10,000 per taxpayer. do you pay taxes? how many years would it take you to pay 10,000 in taxes if they jacked your taxes by 500/year? do you want to pay 500 more a year for the next 20 years just to pay for this war? if mark is right, thats 1300 a year more for 20 years.... whatever the cost, its high and we still need a plan to pay it off. randy |
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"Beerbarrel" wrote in message ... On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 16:59:50 -0500, " Uncle Peter" wrote: "Lazy Senior" wrote in message news:J9Nff.1009$792.780@trnddc08... Carefull, Bush supporters are a bit testy these days...... Lazy Senior Better watch it. They are talking about cutting back on the food stamp program. It might be back to catfood for you. Canned at that! ah the conservatives always bring it down to this level when they have nothing else to say. randy |
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On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 19:19:53 -0700, "xrongor"
wrote: "Beerbarrel" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 16:59:50 -0500, " Uncle Peter" wrote: "Lazy Senior" wrote in message news:J9Nff.1009$792.780@trnddc08... Carefull, Bush supporters are a bit testy these days...... Lazy Senior Better watch it. They are talking about cutting back on the food stamp program. It might be back to catfood for you. Canned at that! ah the conservatives always bring it down to this level when they have nothing else to say. randy Well said Mr. Liberal! Want to share the cat food? |
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"Beerbarrel" wrote in message ... On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 19:19:53 -0700, "xrongor" wrote: "Beerbarrel" wrote in message . .. On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 16:59:50 -0500, " Uncle Peter" wrote: "Lazy Senior" wrote in message news:J9Nff.1009$792.780@trnddc08... Carefull, Bush supporters are a bit testy these days...... Lazy Senior Better watch it. They are talking about cutting back on the food stamp program. It might be back to catfood for you. Canned at that! ah the conservatives always bring it down to this level when they have nothing else to say. randy Well said Mr. Liberal! Want to share the cat food? see what i mean? randy |
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On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 19:39:20 -0700, "xrongor"
wrote: "Beerbarrel" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 19:19:53 -0700, "xrongor" wrote: "Beerbarrel" wrote in message ... On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 16:59:50 -0500, " Uncle Peter" wrote: "Lazy Senior" wrote in message news:J9Nff.1009$792.780@trnddc08... Carefull, Bush supporters are a bit testy these days...... Lazy Senior Better watch it. They are talking about cutting back on the food stamp program. It might be back to catfood for you. Canned at that! ah the conservatives always bring it down to this level when they have nothing else to say. randy Well said Mr. Liberal! Want to share the cat food? see what i mean? randy Uh....no....You don't like cat food? |
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On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 01:35:39 GMT, Lazy Senior
wrote: Beerbarrel wrote: So it's OK for Randy to ridicule Chuck but not the other way around? We dont need to ridicule, or make fun of, or call names of people we dont agree with. Nothing wrong with disagreeing and showing someone the error of their ways. What I have a problem with is (many people with egos on this forum do this) trying to belittle people. Disagree YES - belittle, call names - NO....... Both -- YES. The bright ones can separate the two. The not so bright ones will focus on the unpleasantness to the exclusion of the topic. |
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beerbarrel wrote...
"I think we killed more than 20000 of those *******s....hopefully we will get even more." wow, this swerved way off...from UPS service to taxes to the war....totally off topic, sorry, just went down this path I have to say my last... *******s? most of the dead did nothing against us... ever. They just got in the way. You can be sure that their relatives want to hurt us, now! Why is it everyone else is an enemy until you meet them and realize they are human, just like us, they want to live and be prosperous. They have children, mothers, and fathers. A smaller group has taken up arms against us... and, for reasons you might agree with if you were there. Religion teaches there is absolute good and absolute evil, and thats what W and the other nuts that lead us into this believe. Big trouble, there. Well, guess what. No person, no country, no movement, just like no radio, is absolutely good or bad. There are very good reasons some of those Iraqis are against us. If you were raised there you might understand that. But rather than fix that, we made it worse. REmember, this war has NOTHING to do with Al Queida, except they like that we are wasting our time while we weaken ourselves and disaster recovery efforts. IF you could ask an insurgent why he's shooting, the # 1 answer is to protect his country from the invaiders, the "evil" USA. OK, that's not the smartest thought, but , thats what he believes. Hmm. If we werent there, the shooting would decrease. Yes, there will be some other war, now that we stirred the pot, but it has nothing to do with us. They gotta sort that out. No country is gonna be safe because of us. Hmmm. The "Coalition of the Willing? ... guess thats like putting up a sign that says "watch out for this sign". Not to mention the wounded, suffering slowly with no medical facilities, no one to help. Starving because they cant work and because we have destroyed what little support systems there were. Imagine that in your own neighborhood. Just try. War is hell, just ask any soldier. You DO understand that the Iraqi citizens never plotted to attack the USA, and had NO connection to Al Quieda. Too bad W , and much of the USA hawk populus still doesnt understand this. There was a nutcase leader. IF we needed to remove him, we could have done that pretty surgically, and not shot up and bombed the whole country. Remember, Saddam's followers deserted after his fall. They were ready to sign up with the new president, or whoever pays their salary, but we botched that up and let massive looting break out. When's the last time you heard W say "weapons of mass destruction"? Seems thats all he could say in 2002... kept at it. All the experts, and other national leaders, said, no. Well, Kim Jong Il sure has them.... hey, lets bomb him! Pre-emptive strike, right? George Sr. knew these problems. At least he had some foreign experience. He tried to talk W out of it, like he did Cheney and Rummy way back when. Dad turns out to be a genius next to W. Thats why our real enemies are succeeding. They know we will never take the time to understand our enemies. We like to shoot first and think later. That is why we will never "win" another war, including this mess. Meanwhile, the extremists everywhere else are laughing in joy at our failure, and why we are going to suffer further attacks for many many years to come. For how long Cheney and Rumsfeld were planning this, you'd think it was put together by some second grade art class. Think back to Vietnam.... what great positive change did we make in the world... while spending 50+ of our guys and how many $$$? "We defeated Communism!" Uh, I dont think so. It eventually defeated itself 20 years later. Some wars are just, or at least have furthered our cause. WW2, we stopped a madman. He rose to power because of injust WW1 sanctions against Germany, but thats another story. Gulf war, we stopped a madman, and created another (Osama + Al Queida). I'm done here. Too depressing...Back to our usual on topic discussions.... Mark Oppat " |
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bad enough you have to hear this drivel on tv and in the papers from the liberal elite pantloads but here too?
"Peace in our time" comes to mind mit "Mark Oppat" wrote in message ... | beerbarrel wrote... | "I think we killed more than 20000 of those *******s....hopefully we | will get even more." | | | wow, this swerved way off...from UPS service to taxes to the war....totally | off topic, sorry, just went down this path I have to say my last... | | *******s? most of the dead did nothing against us... ever. They just got | in the way. You can be sure that their relatives want to hurt us, now! | Why is it everyone else is an enemy until you meet them and realize they are | human, just like us, they want to live and be prosperous. They have | children, mothers, and fathers. A smaller group has taken up arms against | us... and, for reasons you might agree with if you were there. | | Religion teaches there is absolute good and absolute evil, and thats what W | and the other nuts that lead us into this believe. Big trouble, there. | Well, guess what. No person, no country, no movement, just like no radio, | is absolutely good or bad. There are very good reasons some of those Iraqis | are against us. If you were raised there you might understand that. But | rather than fix that, we made it worse. REmember, this war has NOTHING to | do with Al Queida, except they like that we are wasting our time while we | weaken ourselves and disaster recovery efforts. | | IF you could ask an insurgent why he's shooting, the # 1 answer is to | protect his country from the invaiders, the "evil" USA. OK, that's not | the smartest thought, but , thats what he believes. Hmm. If we werent | there, the shooting would decrease. Yes, there will be some other war, now | that we stirred the pot, but it has nothing to do with us. They gotta sort | that out. No country is gonna be safe because of us. | | Hmmm. The "Coalition of the Willing? ... guess thats like putting up a | sign that says "watch out for this sign". | | Not to mention the wounded, suffering slowly with no medical facilities, | no one to help. Starving because they cant work and because we have | destroyed what little support systems there were. Imagine that in your own | neighborhood. Just try. War is hell, just ask any soldier. | | You DO understand that the Iraqi citizens never plotted to attack the USA, | and had NO connection to Al Quieda. Too bad W , and much of the USA hawk | populus still doesnt understand this. There was a nutcase leader. IF we | needed to remove him, we could have done that pretty surgically, and not | shot up and bombed the whole country. Remember, Saddam's followers | deserted after his fall. They were ready to sign up with the new president, | or whoever pays their salary, but we botched that up and let massive looting | break out. | | When's the last time you heard W say "weapons of mass destruction"? Seems | thats all he could say in 2002... kept at it. All the experts, and other | national leaders, said, no. Well, Kim Jong Il sure has them.... hey, | lets bomb him! Pre-emptive strike, right? | | George Sr. knew these problems. At least he had some foreign experience. | He tried to talk W out of it, like he did Cheney and Rummy way back when. | Dad turns out to be a genius next to W. | | Thats why our real enemies are succeeding. They know we will never take | the time to understand our enemies. We like to shoot first and think later. | That is why we will never "win" another war, including this mess. | | Meanwhile, the extremists everywhere else are laughing in joy at our | failure, and why we are going to suffer further attacks for many many years | to come. | | For how long Cheney and Rumsfeld were planning this, you'd think it was put | together by some second grade art class. | | Think back to Vietnam.... what great positive change did we make in the | world... while spending 50+ of our guys and how many $$$? "We defeated | Communism!" | Uh, I dont think so. It eventually defeated itself 20 years later. | | Some wars are just, or at least have furthered our cause. WW2, we stopped a | madman. He rose to power because of injust WW1 sanctions against Germany, | but thats another story. Gulf war, we stopped a madman, and created | another (Osama + Al Queida). | | I'm done here. Too depressing...Back to our usual on topic discussions.... | | | Mark Oppat | | | " | | | |
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John Byrns wrote:
Are you sure about that number, it sounds a little high? What has the monetary cost of the war been up to this point, and how many taxpayers does it assume? Regards, John Byrns http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/ quote: The estimated population of the United States is 297,767,295 so each citizen's share of this debt is $27,189.05. .................................................. ..... Do a google on deficit USA, it will SCARE you.. Lazy Senior |
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Lazy Senior wrote:
John Byrns wrote: Are you sure about that number, it sounds a little high? What has the monetary cost of the war been up to this point, and how many taxpayers does it assume? Regards, John Byrns http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/ quote: The estimated population of the United States is 297,767,295 so each citizen's share of this debt is $27,189.05. Uhmmm, the war in Iraq hasn't cost $8.9 trillion... You really are mentally rather lazy there senior. -Chuck |
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On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 10:13:55 -0500, Chuck Harris
wrote: Lazy Senior wrote: John Byrns wrote: Are you sure about that number, it sounds a little high? What has the monetary cost of the war been up to this point, and how many taxpayers does it assume? Regards, John Byrns http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/ quote: The estimated population of the United States is 297,767,295 so each citizen's share of this debt is $27,189.05. Uhmmm, the war in Iraq hasn't cost $8.9 trillion... You really are mentally rather lazy there senior. -Chuck Agreed! |
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