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Old August 21st 03, 07:54 PM
Gene Seibel
 
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I was just getting started in the business in 1970. I was working at a
station on 1260 kHz. The way I remember it, was that they were to go
to Conelrad 1240 in case of national emergency. They had been provided
with a government surplus generator, and were obligated to keep it
operational.
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In article , (Gene Seibel) wrote:

The only requirements I know of were back in the days of conelrad.
Nothing now.


Do you remember what the specific requirements were back in the days of
conelrad?


Regards,

John Byrns


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Old August 21st 03, 07:54 PM
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On 20 Aug 2003 22:55:30 GMT, "Steve Stone"
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List of what I hear AM from Middletown NY in Orange Cty, NY. WTBQ is the
only live station I know of left to produce local news and shows.

Radio - Kenwood TS-430S Antenna - 125 foot long wire

Date Time Frequency Call Sign AM/FM/LSB/USB/CW City State Country Comments


5/21/2003 1:07:28.48 PM 710.0 WOR AM New York NY USA Talk Radio


I spent 10 years at WOR. If we didn't produce live local news how did
we win all those AP News awards?

5/21/2003 1:17:31.02 PM 880.0 WCBS AM New York NY USA Talk Radio


WCBS is All News. Live.

5/21/2003 1:25:59.08 PM 1,010.0 WINS AM New York NY USA All News


Live.

5/23/2003 1:54:35.18 PM 1,060.0 KYW AM Philadelphia PA usa news (LSB)


Live

5/21/2003 1:27:59.34 PM 1,080.0 WTIC AM Hartford CT USA Rush S-8 all news


Actually News/Talk

5/21/2003 1:44:14.98 PM 1,220.0 WGNY AM Newburgh NY USA CNN


CNN was all news last time I listened.

5/21/2003 1:56:37.45 PM 1,490.0 WTSX AM Port Jervis NY USA FOX


More news. Even "fair and balanced"

Judging by this list you weren't lacking in news.

Rich

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Old August 21st 03, 10:41 PM
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I'm old enough to remember. At the class 1B clear channel station I
worked at our 10 kw auxiliary transmitter had a bunch of components that
had to be jumpered and/or added. We would test it into the dummy load
after we set it up on 1240. There was a large manual denoting the
changes that had to be made. There was also an area test where we would
get an alert from the Conelrad control point and we would have to set
the aux to 1240 and turn its control over the the control point and then
they would test for a half hour or so. On for 30-60 seconds and off for
3-4 minutes in a random pattern. I think this was the only exception to
the union contract that we could do anything except take meter readings
without a supervisor there. Of course we took about 100 meter readings
and then typed them into the official log every 1/2 hour.

Later at a EBS (what was it now CSPS??-1) main station we had a 35 kw
generator and 1500 gallons of diesel fuel, console, turntable, cart
machines, tape machines and at least 30 days of food at the transmitter
with walls 24 inches thick (8" block, 8" reinforced concrete, 8" block
sealed and air conditioned. We also had two way radios between us and
the State Police and the local County Sheriff/FEMA office. FCC (for
FEMA I believe) came out every so often to check out our EBS readiness.
Even the food and the other ends of the two way radios to be sure the
links worked. Everything was also (supposedly) protected from EMP.

I asked one day how much notice we would have to man the site in the
event of an attack and was told about 15 minutes and I said "Oh good!
It takes me 20 minutes to get there from the studios in an emergency".
The FEMA guy just shook his head and smiled.....


Rich Wood wrote:

On 21 Aug 2003 02:54:39 GMT, (John Byrns) wrote:



In article ,
(Gene Seibel) wrote:



The only requirements I know of were back in the days of conelrad.
Nothing now.


Do you remember what the specific requirements were back in the days of
conelrad?



In the 60 and 70s every transmitter I worked with had a crystal for
either 640 or 1240. As I recall there were serious requirements to be
part of the system. I think they were an underground studio, generator
at both studio and transmitter and a connection to a local, regional
or federal emergency feed to, I think, Civil Defense.

I don't remember what the testing procedure was because everyone would
have had to switch to their assigned emergency frequency. I'm just not
old enough to remember.

Rich





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I'm old enough to remember.  At the class 1B clear channel station
I worked at our 10 kw auxiliary transmitter had a bunch of components that
had to be jumpered and/or added.  We would test it into the dummy load after
we set it up on 1240.  There was a large manual denoting the changes that
had to be made.  There was also an area test where we would get an alert
from the Conelrad control point and we would have to set the aux to 1240
and turn its control over the the control point and then they would test
for a half hour or so.  On for 30-60 seconds and off for 3-4 minutes in a
random pattern.  I think this was the only exception to the union contract
that we could do anything except take meter readings without a supervisor
there.  Of course we took about 100 meter readings and then typed them into
the official log every 1/2 hour.br
br
Later at a EBS (what was it now CSPS??-1) main station we had a 35 kw generator
and 1500 gallons of diesel fuel, console, turntable, cart machines, tape machines
and at least 30 days of food at the transmitter with walls 24 inches thick
(8" block, 8" reinforced concrete, 8" block sealed and air conditioned.  We
also had two way radios between us and the State Police and the local County
Sheriff/FEMA office.  FCC (for FEMA I believe) came out every so often to
check out our EBS readiness.  Even the food and the other ends of the two
way radios to be sure the links worked.  Everything was also (supposedly)
protected from EMP.  br
br
I asked one day how much notice we would have to man the site in the event
of an attack and was told about 15 minutes and I said "Oh good!  It takes
me 20 minutes to get there from the studios in an emergency".  The FEMA guy
just shook his head and smiled.....br
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Rich Wood wrote:br
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In the 60 and 70s every transmitter I worked with had a crystal for
either 640 or 1240. As I recall there were serious requirements to be
part of the system. I think they were an underground studio, generator
at both studio and transmitter and a connection to a local, regional
or federal emergency feed to, I think, Civil Defense.

I don't remember what the testing procedure was because everyone would
have had to switch to their assigned emergency frequency. I'm just not
old enough to remember.

Rich

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Old August 22nd 03, 03:48 PM
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Rich Wood wrote:

Doesn't your market have a full service AM? Or, at least, an AM that's
known for its news?


Like I said, the original scenario was not posted by me.
It prolly ties in with the idea that most people don't know that AM exists.

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Old August 22nd 03, 03:48 PM
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Not lacking in news.. but lacking in local news.

There is a difference. Do I really care that the subway is broke in NYC when
no friend or family lives or works in NYC... or am I more interested to
know that I-84 has a backup up for 10 miles at the Newburgh-Beacon Bridge
because a tractor trailer full of hazmat dumped at a toll booth? (hint, I-84
can be seen from my backyard)

Rockland County's answer to the problem was to install reverse 911 systems
and create a network of low power AM stations on TIS freqs to warn the
public.

Most NYC stations don't know life exists north of Yonkers.

Canned national satellite feeds on local stations that do not break in with
local issues don't count.

It takes a local axe murder to get coverage from NYC stations up here.

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"Rich Wood" wrote in message
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On 20 Aug 2003 22:55:30 GMT, "Steve Stone"
wrote:

List of what I hear AM from Middletown NY in Orange Cty, NY. WTBQ is the
only live station I know of left to produce local news and shows.

Radio - Kenwood TS-430S Antenna - 125 foot long wire

Date Time Frequency Call Sign AM/FM/LSB/USB/CW City State Country

Comments

5/21/2003 1:07:28.48 PM 710.0 WOR AM New York NY USA Talk Radio


I spent 10 years at WOR. If we didn't produce live local news how did
we win all those AP News awards?

5/21/2003 1:17:31.02 PM 880.0 WCBS AM New York NY USA Talk Radio


WCBS is All News. Live.

5/21/2003 1:25:59.08 PM 1,010.0 WINS AM New York NY USA All News


Live.

5/23/2003 1:54:35.18 PM 1,060.0 KYW AM Philadelphia PA usa news (LSB)


Live

5/21/2003 1:27:59.34 PM 1,080.0 WTIC AM Hartford CT USA Rush S-8 all

news

Actually News/Talk

5/21/2003 1:44:14.98 PM 1,220.0 WGNY AM Newburgh NY USA CNN


CNN was all news last time I listened.

5/21/2003 1:56:37.45 PM 1,490.0 WTSX AM Port Jervis NY USA FOX


More news. Even "fair and balanced"

Judging by this list you weren't lacking in news.

Rich



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Old August 22nd 03, 06:11 PM
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On 22 Aug 2003 14:48:24 GMT, "Steve Stone"
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Not lacking in news.. but lacking in local news.

There is a difference. Do I really care that the subway is broke in NYC when
no friend or family lives or works in NYC... or am I more interested to
know that I-84 has a backup up for 10 miles at the Newburgh-Beacon Bridge
because a tractor trailer full of hazmat dumped at a toll booth? (hint, I-84
can be seen from my backyard)


I would guess that hundreds of thousands of people stranded in
sweltering heat underground is a bigger story for a New York station
than a traffic backup on I-84. That day traffic was backed up
everywhere. Friends who live in New Jersey took as long as 12 hours to
make a trip that normally lasts less than 40 minutes on a bad day.

Most NYC stations don't know life exists north of Yonkers.


Are they supposed to? Your issue is with traffic. I recall lots of
Yonkers coverage when low income housing was proposed and the city
made lots of nimby noise.

It's rare that bedroom communities generate a lot of news. We do hear
about murders of wealthy people We still hear news about ugly,
self-centered, insensitive, PR socialite Lizzie Grubman running down
the rich and famous at a trendy nightclub on Long Island. Very, very
important news here in the city. She now has a radio show, giggly
gossip about terribly important rich people. I always tell people to
put your latest conviction at the top of your resume.

It takes a local axe murder to get coverage from NYC stations up here.


Unfortunately, that's news.

Rich

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Old August 23rd 03, 09:08 PM
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On 22 Aug 2003 17:11:23 GMT, Rich Wood
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That's not our experience in New York. On 9/11 WINS had an AQH of more
than 900,000. I can't help it if they're too dumb to figure out how to
change bands on their radios. WCBS had an AQH of more than 300,000.
Both are awesome figures.

These figures came directly from an Arbitron representative at an R&R
Talk convention. Such figures had never been seen before.

Maybe all those people didn't realize they were listening to AM
stations.


It would be more accurate to say that younger listeners don't know AM
exists -- especially teens. I have a young lady working in my
newsroom who claims never to have listened to AM radio, even up to
this day, and being aware of its existence only in the vaguest sense
before starting to work in radio. (She had also never seen a 45 RPM
record, and didn't know what they are until I showed her one that
happened to be lying around in one of the studios). She turns 19 in a
couple of months. I think she's probably typical of her age group,
judging from conversations I've had over the past few years.

Mark Howell

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