"Corbin Ray" wrote in message
...
I don't care who owns WLIB. But I will never forgive them for killing one
of
the best radio stations in middle America. Remember what happened to WOWO,
50,000-watt blowtorch from Fort Wayne that covered 38 states and half of
Canada?

First, WOWO did not cover 38 states.

There were, at the time of the facilities changes on WOWO, stations with
night operations in Kansas City, Anaheim, CA, Portland, OR (50 kw KEX), San
Juan, PR and Dallas, TX. In addition, a dominant station on 1190 is KEWK, a
10 kw operation in Guadalajara, Mexico, as well as a half-dozen other
fulltimers in Mexico on 1190. WOWO was always directional, going back to
when Westinghouse downgraded it a half-century or more ago so KEX could
become a 1-B clear channel station. It sent little power to the West, to
protect KEX. And KEX did the same so it could run 50 kw. It got a signal
into parts of eastern Ontario, some of Quebec and occasionally in the
Maritimes... but much of that is Francophone and WOWO was hardly of
interest.

WOWO was limited to consistent coverage of maybe a dozen states or parts of
them at night, and NE Indiana, South Central Michigan and a piece of Ohio in
daytime.

Since very little radio listening is done at night (and hasn't been since
the 50's), the important issue is whether the station has decent coverage of
the Ft. Wayne market. Even nearby markets and towns, which did not have
local stations in the 50's and before, now have, in most cases, too many
stations.

David Eduardo had written:
|
| "Corbin Ray" wrote in message
| ...
| I don't care who owns WLIB. But I will never forgive them for killing one
| of
| the best radio stations in middle America. Remember what happened to WOWO,
| 50,000-watt blowtorch from Fort Wayne that covered 38 states and half of
| Canada?
|
| First, WOWO did not cover 38 states.
|
| There were, at the time of the facilities changes on WOWO, stations with
| night operations in Kansas City, Anaheim, CA, Portland, OR (50 kw KEX), San
| Juan, PR and Dallas, TX.

Ah, the good old days. There was quite a spirited debate in rrb at
the time. As someone who lived in Kansas City at the time, and who
was well aware of what was then KFEZ, I felt it wasn't quite
the crime against humanity that some made it out to be.

At one time, the 1190 in Boulder, CO also had nighttime service with
a DA, but that was given up sometime in the mid 1990s. There was a
about a year in Kansas City when KFEZ was off the air after getting
struck by lightning *during* a thunderstorm in 1990. 1190 was a very
quiet spot on the dial most nights during that time -- or there was
a very low level hash.


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.... There were, at the time of the facilities changes on WOWO, stations with
night operations in Kansas City, Anaheim, CA, Portland, OR (50 kw KEX), San
Juan, PR and Dallas, TX. In addition, a dominant station on 1190 is KEWK, a 10
kw operation in Guadalajara, Mexico, as well as a half-dozen other fulltimers
in Mexico on 1190.


There were three Class As on 1190: WOWO, KEX and XEWK.

XEWK is grandfathered at 10 kW.

WOWO and KEX were (pre-WLIB) 50 kW DA-N, with three towers nights, the usual
complement for a U.S. Class I-B.

Every other 1190 (pre-WLIB, again) is a non-dominant station, and as such they
must all protect the secondary service area of all dominant stations. Also,
non-domonant stations on first adjacent-channels, 1180 and 1200, must protect
the primary service area of the dominant stations on 1190.

Obviously, WOWO's downgrade changes matters a bit. Perhaps a lot.

The primary beneficiary of this is the Kansas City 1190.

If there are secondary beneficiaries, these are likely to be restricted by the
existence of the other Class As, which surely aren't going away, to minor
adjustments of their existing patterns, rather than dramatic increases in power
or astonishing reduction in protection.

Also, Class B 1190 stations anywhere near the U.S.-Canadian border may be
restricted by "notified", yet dark, stations in Canada. Those "stations" aren't
likely to go anywhere, either.

One will observe that WLIB protects WOWO and a non-existant, yet "notified"
station in Canada.

Any west coast 1190 is going to be limited by KEX and XEWK, and Anaheim and
Tolleson haven't been able to get around that fact.

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Peter H. wrote:

... There were, at the time of the facilities changes on WOWO, stations with
night operations in Kansas City, Anaheim, CA, Portland, OR (50 kw KEX), San
Juan, PR and Dallas, TX. In addition, a dominant station on 1190 is KEWK, a 10
kw operation in Guadalajara, Mexico, as well as a half-dozen other fulltimers
in Mexico on 1190.



There were three Class As on 1190: WOWO, KEX and XEWK.

XEWK is grandfathered at 10 kW.

WOWO and KEX were (pre-WLIB) 50 kW DA-N, with three towers nights, the usual
complement for a U.S. Class I-B.

Every other 1190 (pre-WLIB, again) is a non-dominant station, and as such they
must all protect the secondary service area of all dominant stations. Also,
non-domonant stations on first adjacent-channels, 1180 and 1200, must protect
the primary service area of the dominant stations on 1190.

Obviously, WOWO's downgrade changes matters a bit. Perhaps a lot.

The primary beneficiary of this is the Kansas City 1190.

If there are secondary beneficiaries, these are likely to be restricted by the
existence of the other Class As, which surely aren't going away, to minor
adjustments of their existing patterns, rather than dramatic increases in power
or astonishing reduction in protection.

Also, Class B 1190 stations anywhere near the U.S.-Canadian border may be
restricted by "notified", yet dark, stations in Canada. Those "stations" aren't
likely to go anywhere, either.

One will observe that WLIB protects WOWO and a non-existant, yet "notified"
station in Canada.


WOWO does have an application for 15 kw nights with a 4 tower DA under
its new owners which should restore them to the old I-B status.

CG


Any west coast 1190 is going to be limited by KEX and XEWK, and Anaheim and
Tolleson haven't been able to get around that fact.






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XEWK is grandfathered at 10 kW.

WOWO and KEX were (pre-WLIB) 50 kW DA-N, with three towers nights, the usual
complement for a U.S. Class I-B.

Every other 1190 (pre-WLIB, again) is a non-dominant station, and as such they
must all protect the secondary service area of all dominant stations. Also,
non-domonant stations on first adjacent-channels, 1180 and 1200, must protect
the primary service area of the dominant stations on 1190.

Obviously, WOWO's downgrade changes matters a bit. Perhaps a lot.

The primary beneficiary of this is the Kansas City 1190.

If there are secondary beneficiaries, these are likely to be restricted by the
existence of the other Class As, which surely aren't going away, to minor
adjustments of their existing patterns, rather than dramatic increases in power
or astonishing reduction in protection.

Also, Class B 1190 stations anywhere near the U.S.-Canadian border may be
restricted by "notified", yet dark, stations in Canada. Those "stations" aren't
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One will observe that WLIB protects WOWO and a non-existant, yet "notified"
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WOWO does have an application for 15 kw nights with a 4 tower DA under its new
owners which should restore them to the old I-B status.


No.

That 4-tower DA is intended to further restrict WOWO's pattern, not to increase
it, so that Salem may go unlimited time at its Atlanta station (although there
are other problems besides WOWO which will impact Salem's plans).

I believe Salem is paying for the new DA, which will be expensive.

So, should this 4-tower DA ever be constructed, WOWO may well be above the 10
kW minimum for Class A status, but it wouldn't automatically be a Class A
unless and until it could prove it actually had a protected secondary service
area, which it won't because of WLIB and Kansas City, and Canada accepted the
new pattern.

So far, there has not been a case of a significant change in a Class A pattern
which was accepted by Canada, save for WSAI/1530, and in order for WSAI to
implement that change, protection had to be added to 1520 (WWKB) and to 1540
(ZNS-1) as well as to its intended purpose ... increasing the radiation over
Cincinnati.

Well, add WBBR to that list as well.

Canada has a Class A priority on 1130, but not on 1530 nor on 1190.

Nevertheless, Canada is the rate-limiting function here, because of its many
"notified" Class Bs.

Peter H. had written:
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| The primary beneficiary of this is the Kansas City 1190.

The main benefits there are (a) removal of the critical-hours
restriction (but I'm not sure about this) and (b) the ability to
increase night power and loosen up the pattern to better serve the
parts of Kansas City that are north of the Missouri River.

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