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May 14th 04, 10:49 PM
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May 15th 04, 05:31 AM
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Quoth Rich Wood in :
As it is, spots scheduled to air on WLIB, New York, were, apparrently, run on the network in a show that suggested the President be assassinated. No Air America show ever suggested the President be assassinated. But keep passing around the lies, Rich. The buzz is bringing in advertising bucks, and as a startup, they can use all the help they can get. -- "I am afeard there are few die well that die in a battle; for how can they charitably dispose of anything when blood is their argument? Now, if these men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the King that led them to it; who to disobey were against all proportion of subjection." - W.S. |
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#3
May 16th 04, 07:13 AM
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On 15 May 2004 04:31:48 GMT, Tom Betz wrote:
As it is, spots scheduled to air on WLIB, New York, were, apparrently, run on the network in a show that suggested the President be assassinated. No Air America show ever suggested the President be assassinated. But keep passing around the lies, Rich. The buzz is bringing in advertising bucks, and as a startup, they can use all the help they can get. The "lies" have been all over the trade press. Randi Rhodes allegely suggested George Bush be taken out in a boat and shot. That's what prompted the advertisers to request their spots not air on the network. I'm sure she wasn't serious but mainstream advertisers shun controversy. I'm curious how you know the "buzz" is bringing in advertisers. Unless you're an employee of the network or ad agencies who are placing buys, how would you know? Many spots on a new network are there to avoid using PSAs in every break. With only one major market I doubt they're getting network buys. Even WLIB, New York, doesn't have the tonnage in the right demos to get bought. My guess is those were spots being run off from a buy aimed at the station's previous audience or as a combo buy with WBLS. I think the archive their shows on the net. It allegedly happened last week. Rich |
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May 16th 04, 05:44 PM
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Quoth Rich Wood in
: The "lies" have been all over the trade press. FUD, spread by those with an interest in AA's failure. Randi Rhodes allegely suggested George Bush be taken out in a boat and shot. Did you hear that program, Rich? I heard it. Rhodes was comparing W to Fredo Corleone. You may recall that, in the Godfather, it was Fredo's brother who killed him. She never advocated anything. That's what prompted the advertisers to request their spots not air on the network. Funny how GM (for the most widely-cited example) says otherwise, if one asks them. They say they were prompted to pull their ads by the fact of the change in format (they had bought WLIB to reach the Caribbean market), not by the content of the new format. Funny how Ford immediately started advertising THEIR certified used cars on WLIB as soon as GM stopped advertising theirs... I think the archive their shows on the net. Rich, I used to think you were so well-informed. Now, I begin to see otherwise. AA maintains no archives. However, a fan of Randi Rhodes maintains a rolling two-week archive at http://www.randirhodesarchives.com/. -- "I am afeard there are few die well that die in a battle; for how can they charitably dispose of anything when blood is their argument? Now, if these men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the King that led them to it; who to disobey were against all proportion of subjection." - W.S. |
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#5
May 17th 04, 01:24 AM
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"Tom Betz" wrote in message ... Quoth Rich Wood in : Did you hear that program, Rich? I heard it. Rhodes was comparing W to Fredo Corleone. You may recall that, in the Godfather, it was Fredo's brother who killed him. She never advocated anything. It's funny how some people, many of whom probably never listened, like to say people like Rush and Sean are full of "hate". Now the shoe is on the other foot. How does it feel? |
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#6
May 17th 04, 04:10 PM
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"Tom Betz" wrote in message ... Quoth Rich Wood in : The "lies" have been all over the trade press. FUD, spread by those with an interest in AA's failure. Randi Rhodes allegely suggested George Bush be taken out in a boat and shot. Did you hear that program, Rich? I heard it. Rhodes was comparing W to Fredo Corleone. You may recall that, in the Godfather, it was Fredo's brother who killed him. She never advocated anything. Here is the transcript... it sure sounds like Rich was right. And you are not. Caller: One more question: Why don't the American people see that the entire Bush Family are crooks? Randi: Well that would-- C: Neil, Jeb, George Senior Iran Contra, and and and now Dopey R: And what was involved.. what do they have in common? All of these things? C: It's all money. R: They all stole. They stole from banks. They stole from Pakistani banks; they stole from American banks; they stole from small banks, big banks, neighborhood banks. They stole from MY bank. My bank was uh this Savings and Loan of Broward-- C: Yup R: --and Jeb took care of that bank. Jeb actually bought a building that was uh you know took a mortgage on the building of four million dollars and then just you know said he couldnt pay the.. the the the uh the note you know the mortgage and the bank totally went belly up and the tax payers had to bail out that bank too. I mean-- C: They're theives; they're the Corleones and as you said-- R: They ARE the Corelones! C: --and now we're down to Fredo. R: Well I gotta find... Well right, we've got the Fredo of the family is the President of the United States! So uh why doesnt his father take him, or his brother, one of em, take him out for a little uh.. fishing C: Yeah-- R: You know C: --on a row boat R: Yeah and let him say some Hail Marys C: I'll bet Bush does have a little dingy R: Yeah.. take him out and you know "Hail Mary, full of grace, God is with you-" [Randi makes the sound of a blast] ... Works for me. C: Absolutely, thank you-- R: Thank you... I don't think you can say that anymore. I really don't. You will see. No Godfather references when it comes to the Bush family. Nope! |
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#7
May 18th 04, 03:45 AM
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Quoth "David Eduardo" in
: So uh why doesnt his father take him, or his brother, one of em, take him out for a little uh.. fishing No, I'M correct. She never advocated anyone kill W. Her words were, "why doesnt his father take him, or his brother, one of em, take him out for a little uh.. fishing" As I said, she referenced Michael Corleone killing Fredo in "The Godfather". Unless you are prepared to assert that Rand Rhodes commanded Jeb to kill W... -- "I am afeard there are few die well that die in a battle; for how can they charitably dispose of anything when blood is their argument? Now, if these men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the King that led them to it; who to disobey were against all proportion of subjection." - W.S. |
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#8
May 18th 04, 04:05 PM
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"Tom Betz" wrote in message ... Quoth "David Eduardo" in : So uh why doesnt his father take him, or his brother, one of em, take him out for a little uh.. fishing No, I'M correct. She never advocated anyone kill W. Her words were, "why doesnt his father take him, or his brother, one of em, take him out for a little uh.. fishing" As I said, she referenced Michael Corleone killing Fredo in "The Godfather". Unless you are prepared to assert that Rand Rhodes commanded Jeb to kill W... The message is clear. It is not particularly funny, and would be no more funny coming from Michael Savage in regards to Kerry than it is coming from a host on the other side of the spectrum speaking about Bush. |
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#9
May 19th 04, 04:11 PM
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On 18 May 2004 02:45:20 GMT, Tom Betz wrote:
She never advocated anyone kill W. Her words were, "why doesnt his father take him, or his brother, one of em, take him out for a little uh.. fishing" As I said, she referenced Michael Corleone killing Fredo in "The Godfather". Unless you are prepared to assert that Rand Rhodes commanded Jeb to kill W... You can try and explain it away but when someone suggests a father or brother take someone out fishing, particularly a President, and makes a noise imitating a gunshot I take it to mean there's a victim. I wouldn't be a bit surprised to find the Secret Service would find a gunshot in a boat where the President is present to be a problem. I'd see lots of very wet black suits. I don't care where the reference comes from. The actual audio names members of the Bush family and clearly implies one is to be a gunshot victim. It's not a terrible stretch to believe the victim would be the President. Not something mainstream advertisers would like. I'm crushed that I've lost your respect, but many, many people didn't see the reference as a lie. I listened to the archive (the shows are archived) and there was no doubt the death of the President was the focus. Rich |
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#10
May 17th 04, 07:14 PM
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On 16 May 2004 16:44:01 GMT, Tom Betz wrote:
The "lies" have been all over the trade press. FUD, spread by those with an interest in AA's failure. That doesn't make sense. Why would a trade magazine have any interest in seeing Air America fail? With all the consolidation they welcome as many new advertisers as they can find. I know the publishers of nearly ever trade magazine. None I've talked to want to see them fail. What you seem to be mistaking for hope for failure is accurate reporting on the actions of the network. I have no interest in seeing them fail. I'm simply commenting on what I see as incompetence. Randi Rhodes allegely suggested George Bush be taken out in a boat and shot. Did you hear that program, Rich? I heard it. Rhodes was comparing W to Fredo Corleone. You may recall that, in the Godfather, it was Fredo's brother who killed him. She never advocated anything. Whatever. It still was seen by advertisers as controversial, according to my ad industry sources. It appears the spots were not supposed to air on the network, anyway. Not being network people they didn't consider the fact that all spots aren't intended for all markets. If a New York area dealers are having a promotion it puts dealers in other no-promotion markets in a tight spot to hear abou6t great deals that aren't mean for them. It doesn't matter if she actually advocated anything. It's the perception of advocacy. Most of my NYC friends who heard it considered it to be a call for an assassination. Funny how GM (for the most widely-cited example) says otherwise, if one asks them. They say they were prompted to pull their ads by the fact of the change in format (they had bought WLIB to reach the Caribbean market), not by the content of the new format. Have you spoken to GM or their agency? At least in New York it's always been understood that controversial programming was off limits for these advertisers. Funny how Ford immediately started advertising THEIR certified used cars on WLIB as soon as GM stopped advertising theirs... I was under the impression that advertising is placed by the Tri-State Ford Dealers Association. Each company has different policies. Remember when Snapple was pulled from Limbaugh when it was bought by Quaker? Limbaugh practically made the product what it is. I think the archive their shows on the net. Rich, I used to think you were so well-informed. Now, I begin to see otherwise. AA maintains no archives. Hmm. The publicity I saw indicated that their site was getting a lot of hits and shows were archived. Perhaps they meant the fan site. It still means the shows are available to the general public, in archived form, for a period of time. My link is directly to the stream and doesn't access the site. My basic complaint is the inaccurate hype that inplies stations are carrying the entire Air America lineup. WJNO, West Palm, is on that list. They don't specify that WJNO is carrying only one show. They lead the reader to believe it's all there. It isn't. After the loss of Los Angeles and Chicago, I believe WLIB is the only station carrying the fulltime 6a-11p schedule. Rich |
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