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Telstar Electronics January 3rd 07 06:27 PM

If Frank reveals one of his secret designs... he'll have to kill us
 
Frank Gilliland wrote:
The employer owns the design. I have no right or control over any
design made under the direction of any of my previous employers. That
means I can't use them, I can't re-use them, I can't sell them and I
can't publically disclose them. The only reason I'm mentioning this is
because it was pointed out to me that a lot of people don't know this.
But it really doesn't matter to you since you were never an engineer
and are now back to your pouting routine. Works for me.


Frank, I couldn't resist responding to this. Are you saying that you
never designed anything outside of work? This makes no sense if you're
an engineer! Still waiting to see a design from you. Something tells me
I've got a long wait... LOL

What's new? Glad you asked...
http://www.telstar-electronics.com/d...s/WhatsNew.htm


Frank Gilliland January 4th 07 03:49 AM

If Frank reveals one of his secret designs... he'll have to kill us
 
On 3 Jan 2007 10:27:46 -0800, "Telstar Electronics"
wrote in
.com:

Frank Gilliland wrote:
The employer owns the design. I have no right or control over any
design made under the direction of any of my previous employers. That
means I can't use them, I can't re-use them, I can't sell them and I
can't publically disclose them. The only reason I'm mentioning this is
because it was pointed out to me that a lot of people don't know this.
But it really doesn't matter to you since you were never an engineer
and are now back to your pouting routine. Works for me.


Frank, I couldn't resist responding to this. Are you saying that you
never designed anything outside of work? This makes no sense if you're
an engineer! Still waiting to see a design from you. Something tells me
I've got a long wait... LOL



Wrong again, Brian. Most of my work was done at work on the company
computers, so I don't have access to most of it even if I -could- post
it. But you're in luck; I was just doing my annual file-cabinet clean
out and ran across a schematic for part of a preliminary Class D audio
amp I designed about ten years ago. The technology was moving fast at
the time and the design was only used for a year or two, but I still
blurred out the name:

www.icehouse.net/wirenut/2934d3.jpg

Here's a couple scans of pcb art I found in a pile of other papers.
The first is an EM monitor I whipped up for a friend's project for her
Master's thesis relating to computer monitors (needed to eliminate a
suggested confound). The second is one of many variations of a 8255
I/O card; I don't remember what application this one was for:

www.icehouse.net/wirenut/elf-4.jpg
www.icehouse.net/wirenut/8255v8.jpg

As for my personal projects, there is gobs of stuff. Let's start with
something simple like a capacitance amplifier:

www.icehouse.net/wirenut/c-amp.gif

And don't forget the Twisty-Buster:

www.icehouse.net/wirenut/tb_rdf2.gif
www.icehouse.net/wirenut/tb_rdf_o.gif

Here's an audio compressor I started a few years ago and has been on
the shelf awaiting refinement:

www.icehouse.net/wirenut/tub_comp.gif

You know, I could post a ****load of stuff..... can you be more
specific about what you are looking for? Oh, and there is a price for
knowledge, Brian. If you want more you need to post the schematic for
your amp. It's only fair, don't ya think?


What's new? Glad you asked...



I didn't. I don't care.





U-Know-Who January 4th 07 04:09 AM

If Frank reveals one of his secret designs... he'll have to kill us
 

"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
...
On 3 Jan 2007 10:27:46 -0800, "Telstar Electronics"
wrote in
.com:

Frank Gilliland wrote:
The employer owns the design. I have no right or control over any
design made under the direction of any of my previous employers. That
means I can't use them, I can't re-use them, I can't sell them and I
can't publically disclose them. The only reason I'm mentioning this is
because it was pointed out to me that a lot of people don't know this.
But it really doesn't matter to you since you were never an engineer
and are now back to your pouting routine. Works for me.


Frank, I couldn't resist responding to this. Are you saying that you
never designed anything outside of work? This makes no sense if you're
an engineer! Still waiting to see a design from you. Something tells me
I've got a long wait... LOL



Wrong again, Brian. Most of my work was done at work on the company
computers, so I don't have access to most of it even if I -could- post
it. But you're in luck; I was just doing my annual file-cabinet clean
out and ran across a schematic for part of a preliminary Class D audio
amp I designed about ten years ago. The technology was moving fast at
the time and the design was only used for a year or two, but I still
blurred out the name:

www.icehouse.net/wirenut/2934d3.jpg

Here's a couple scans of pcb art I found in a pile of other papers.
The first is an EM monitor I whipped up for a friend's project for her
Master's thesis relating to computer monitors (needed to eliminate a
suggested confound). The second is one of many variations of a 8255
I/O card; I don't remember what application this one was for:

www.icehouse.net/wirenut/elf-4.jpg
www.icehouse.net/wirenut/8255v8.jpg

As for my personal projects, there is gobs of stuff. Let's start with
something simple like a capacitance amplifier:

www.icehouse.net/wirenut/c-amp.gif

And don't forget the Twisty-Buster:

www.icehouse.net/wirenut/tb_rdf2.gif
www.icehouse.net/wirenut/tb_rdf_o.gif

Here's an audio compressor I started a few years ago and has been on
the shelf awaiting refinement:

www.icehouse.net/wirenut/tub_comp.gif

You know, I could post a ****load of stuff..... can you be more
specific about what you are looking for? Oh, and there is a price for
knowledge, Brian. If you want more you need to post the schematic for
your amp. It's only fair, don't ya think?



Frank, have you noticed that he's also very careful about the photos of his
amp? Only various photos of select parts, with none that can be
viewed/linked as a whole. I've never seen a real amplifier manufacturer do
such things. Have you?



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Frank Gilliland January 4th 07 06:11 AM

If Frank reveals one of his secret designs... he'll have to kill us
 
On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 19:49:41 -0800, Frank Gilliland
wrote in
:

snip
....But you're in luck; I was just doing my annual file-cabinet clean
out and ran across a schematic for part of a preliminary Class D audio
amp I designed about ten years ago. The technology was moving fast at
the time and the design was only used for a year or two, but I still
blurred out the name:

www.icehouse.net/wirenut/2934d3.jpg



Even better luck: I found the whole folder complete with my notes.
Here's the full schematic that was sent to prototype:

www.icehouse.net/wirenut/cls_d4_d.jpg

The other schematic was for a variation that didn't work very well;
there was a reactive loading problem with the IRF740LC.

Now..... any more stupid questions, Brian?





Telstar Electronics January 4th 07 12:20 PM

If Frank reveals one of his secret designs... he'll have to kill us
 
Frank Gilliland wrote:
Wrong again, Brian. Most of my work was done at work on the company
computers, so I don't have access to most of it even if I -could- post
it. But you're in luck; I was just doing my annual file-cabinet clean
out and ran across a schematic for part of a preliminary Class D audio
amp I designed about ten years ago. The technology was moving fast at
the time and the design was only used for a year or two, but I still
blurred out the name:

www.icehouse.net/wirenut/2934d3.jpg

Here's a couple scans of pcb art I found in a pile of other papers.
The first is an EM monitor I whipped up for a friend's project for her
Master's thesis relating to computer monitors (needed to eliminate a
suggested confound). The second is one of many variations of a 8255
I/O card; I don't remember what application this one was for:

www.icehouse.net/wirenut/elf-4.jpg
www.icehouse.net/wirenut/8255v8.jpg

As for my personal projects, there is gobs of stuff. Let's start with
something simple like a capacitance amplifier:

www.icehouse.net/wirenut/c-amp.gif

And don't forget the Twisty-Buster:

www.icehouse.net/wirenut/tb_rdf2.gif
www.icehouse.net/wirenut/tb_rdf_o.gif

Here's an audio compressor I started a few years ago and has been on
the shelf awaiting refinement:

www.icehouse.net/wirenut/tub_comp.gif


Most of that stuff is not RF related... and is older than dirt (tube
audio compressor...LOL)
Most don't have any indication that you were the originator.
Yet you're so vociferous in your attack of my RF amplifier design.
Why is that Frank?... when you obviously have very little RF
experience.

What's new? Glad you asked...
http://www.telstar-electronics.com/d...s/WhatsNew.htm


Frank Gilliland January 4th 07 02:11 PM

If Frank reveals one of his secret designs... he'll have to kill us
 
On 4 Jan 2007 04:20:43 -0800, "Telstar Electronics"
wrote in
. com:

snip
Most of that stuff is not RF related...



No more than your "compressor". But then you didn't specify.


and is older than dirt (tube
audio compressor...LOL)



You are way out of touch with reality on this one, Brian. Tube audio,
ESPECIALLY the compressors, are some of the most desireable audiophile
circuits on the market. The reason is because the sound that can't be
duplicated by silicon. For at least ten years now many major audio
equipment manufacturers have included some sort of tube audio in the
line, and a few make tube preamps and processors almost exclusively.
"Older than dirt"? Right. Sure. And your fourth-generation hacks are
state-of-the-art.


Most don't have any indication that you were the originator.



Except that I posted them to my website, claiming them as my own, and
you can't find them anywhere else, not on the net nor in any book. In
fact, I posted much of the stuff previously on my website (back when I
maintained a website). I'm kind of suprised that you didn't recognize
it.

Anyway, you asked and I provided. Now where's the schematic for your
amp? Do you need more time to modify it so your "design" can't be
recognized as a hack?


Yet you're so vociferous in your attack of my RF amplifier design.
Why is that Frank?...



You know why, Brain. You're just trying to save face..... and making
yourself look like a moron in the process. Honestly, I don't think
you're a moron at all. Not everyone can grasp even the scant little
bit of electronics you have learned. But you are trying to take the
lazy man's path to engineering. It doesn't work that way, Brian.
That's why you don't see hacker companies last longer than a few
years, with most ending in bankruptcy (and sometimes in criminal
proceedings). If that's your goal then hey, by all means, go for it!


when you obviously have very little RF
experience.



LOL!!!




Telstar Electronics January 4th 07 02:53 PM

If Frank reveals one of his secret designs... he'll have to kill us
 
On Jan 4, 8:11 am, Frank Gilliland
wrote:
On 4 Jan 2007 04:20:43 -0800, "Telstar Electronics"
wrote in
. com:

snip

Most of that stuff is not RF related...No more than your "compressor". But then you didn't specify.


and is older than dirt (tube
audio compressor...LOL)You are way out of touch with reality on this one, Brian. Tube audio,

ESPECIALLY the compressors, are some of the most desireable audiophile
circuits on the market. The reason is because the sound that can't be
duplicated by silicon. For at least ten years now many major audio
equipment manufacturers have included some sort of tube audio in the
line, and a few make tube preamps and processors almost exclusively.
"Older than dirt"? Right. Sure. And your fourth-generation hacks are
state-of-the-art.

Most don't have any indication that you were the originator.Except that I posted them to my website, claiming them as my own, and

you can't find them anywhere else, not on the net nor in any book. In
fact, I posted much of the stuff previously on my website (back when I
maintained a website). I'm kind of suprised that you didn't recognize
it.

Anyway, you asked and I provided. Now where's the schematic for your
amp? Do you need more time to modify it so your "design" can't be
recognized as a hack?

Yet you're so vociferous in your attack of my RF amplifier design.
Why is that Frank?...You know why, Brain. You're just trying to save face..... and making

yourself look like a moron in the process. Honestly, I don't think
you're a moron at all. Not everyone can grasp even the scant little
bit of electronics you have learned. But you are trying to take the
lazy man's path to engineering. It doesn't work that way, Brian.
That's why you don't see hacker companies last longer than a few
years, with most ending in bankruptcy (and sometimes in criminal
proceedings). If that's your goal then hey, by all means, go for it!

when you obviously have very little RF
experience.LOL!!!


Frank, don't think many are fooled by your rhetoric.
Have a nice day...

www.telstar-electronics.com


Frank Gilliland January 4th 07 05:40 PM

If Frank reveals one of his secret designs... he'll have to kill us
 
On 4 Jan 2007 06:53:31 -0800, "Telstar Electronics"
wrote in
.com:

snip
Frank, don't think many are fooled by your rhetoric.
Have a nice day...



Just remember.... 34 watts of distortion from an unmodulated carrier.
You know what that means, Brian? It means that if, by some bizzare and
unnatural circumstance, the sales of your amps actually takes off, you
are going to have to deal with some mighty ****ed-off customers. Can
you say, "Notice of Apparent Liability"?




james January 4th 07 10:22 PM

If Frank reveals one of his secret designs... he'll have to kill us
 
On 3 Jan 2007 10:27:46 -0800, "Telstar Electronics"
wrote:

+++Frank Gilliland wrote:
+++ The employer owns the design. I have no right or control over any
+++ design made under the direction of any of my previous employers. That
+++ means I can't use them, I can't re-use them, I can't sell them and I
+++ can't publically disclose them. The only reason I'm mentioning this is
+++ because it was pointed out to me that a lot of people don't know this.
+++ But it really doesn't matter to you since you were never an engineer
+++ and are now back to your pouting routine. Works for me.
+++
+++Frank, I couldn't resist responding to this. Are you saying that you
+++never designed anything outside of work? This makes no sense if you're
+++an engineer! Still waiting to see a design from you. Something tells me
+++I've got a long wait... LOL
+++
+++What's new? Glad you asked...
+++http://www.telstar-electronics.com/d...s/WhatsNew.htm

***********

Outside my engineering job, designing circuits was as far as anything
that I wanted to do. When your hobby and work comingle, it makes for a
very dull life.

Also indefense of Frank, most major electronics firms make you sign a
non disclosure agreement(NDA). That means that you can not divulge
anything of your job, projects that you worked on or that the company
is doing or is in plan. Usually these last for at least one year after
employement ceases. Also any patents that you file outside work during
employment or within a one year period after employment ceases is
subject to challenge as it might contain intellectual property from
your former employer.

NDAs can be very restrictive. Also they are very binding legally.

james

james January 4th 07 10:47 PM

If Frank reveals one of his secret designs... he'll have to kill us
 
On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 06:11:11 -0800, Frank Gilliland
wrote:

+++You are way out of touch with reality on this one, Brian. Tube audio,
+++ESPECIALLY the compressors, are some of the most desireable audiophile
+++circuits on the market. The reason is because the sound that can't be
+++duplicated by silicon. For at least ten years now many major audio
+++equipment manufacturers have included some sort of tube audio in the
+++line, and a few make tube preamps and processors almost exclusively.
+++"Older than dirt"? Right. Sure. And your fourth-generation hacks are
+++state-of-the-art.

**********

Frank

I agree some of the best high end audio is still produced using tubes.
There are some distortion characteristics that bipolar silicon just
can't get away from. FETs are better than bipolar, but are still
lacking in some aspects.

james

Steveo January 4th 07 11:01 PM

If Frank reveals one of his secret designs... he'll have to kill us
 
wrote:
On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 06:11:11 -0800, Frank Gilliland
wrote:

+++You are way out of touch with reality on this one, Brian. Tube audio,
+++ESPECIALLY the compressors, are some of the most desireable
audiophile +++circuits on the market. The reason is because the sound
that can't be +++duplicated by silicon. For at least ten years now many
major audio +++equipment manufacturers have included some sort of tube
audio in the +++line, and a few make tube preamps and processors almost
exclusively. +++"Older than dirt"? Right. Sure. And your
fourth-generation hacks are +++state-of-the-art.

**********

Frank

I agree some of the best high end audio is still produced using tubes.
There are some distortion characteristics that bipolar silicon just
can't get away from. FETs are better than bipolar, but are still
lacking in some aspects.

james

Hello James

I agree, some of the best audio reports I've ever had have come from tube
gear.

Frank Gilliland January 5th 07 02:17 AM

If Frank reveals one of his secret designs... he'll have to kill us
 
On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 22:22:41 GMT, james wrote
in :

On 3 Jan 2007 10:27:46 -0800, "Telstar Electronics"
wrote:

+++Frank Gilliland wrote:
+++ The employer owns the design. I have no right or control over any
+++ design made under the direction of any of my previous employers. That
+++ means I can't use them, I can't re-use them, I can't sell them and I
+++ can't publically disclose them. The only reason I'm mentioning this is
+++ because it was pointed out to me that a lot of people don't know this.
+++ But it really doesn't matter to you since you were never an engineer
+++ and are now back to your pouting routine. Works for me.
+++
+++Frank, I couldn't resist responding to this. Are you saying that you
+++never designed anything outside of work? This makes no sense if you're
+++an engineer! Still waiting to see a design from you. Something tells me
+++I've got a long wait... LOL
+++
+++What's new? Glad you asked...
+++http://www.telstar-electronics.com/d...s/WhatsNew.htm

***********

Outside my engineering job, designing circuits was as far as anything
that I wanted to do. When your hobby and work comingle, it makes for a
very dull life.



No kidding. My favorite hobby has nothing to do with electronics; I
rebuild & restore old Coleman lanterns. I would gladly trade any of
the crusty old CB's from my pile for a crusty old Coleman lantern.




Steveo January 5th 07 02:19 AM

If Frank reveals one of his secret designs... he'll have to kill us
 
Frank Gilliland wrote:
-snip-
I would gladly trade any of
the crusty old CB's from my pile for a crusty old Coleman lantern.

I have a knack for busting the mantles on them, but otherwise that is
usually the brightest non-electric lamp in camp.

Frank Gilliland January 5th 07 03:02 AM

If Frank reveals one of his secret designs... he'll have to kill us
 
On 05 Jan 2007 02:19:06 GMT, Steveo wrote in
:

Frank Gilliland wrote:
-snip-
I would gladly trade any of
the crusty old CB's from my pile for a crusty old Coleman lantern.

I have a knack for busting the mantles on them, but otherwise that is
usually the brightest non-electric lamp in camp.



Don't mess with clip-on mantles -- they're worthless. Use the tie-on
type. Use a double-overhand knot, tie it loose -before- you slip on
the mantle, then even out the wrinkles and pull it tight. That way you
won't have a loose mantle that will fall apart when you bump the
lantern. But even doing that I still get about 1 in 3 mantles that end
up with a hole after burn-in. The quality just isn't there anymore.





Steveo January 5th 07 03:12 AM

If Frank reveals one of his secret designs... he'll have to kill us
 
Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 05 Jan 2007 02:19:06 GMT, Steveo wrote in
:

Frank Gilliland wrote:
-snip-
I would gladly trade any of
the crusty old CB's from my pile for a crusty old Coleman lantern.

I have a knack for busting the mantles on them, but otherwise that is
usually the brightest non-electric lamp in camp.


Don't mess with clip-on mantles -- they're worthless. Use the tie-on
type. Use a double-overhand knot, tie it loose -before- you slip on
the mantle, then even out the wrinkles and pull it tight. That way you
won't have a loose mantle that will fall apart when you bump the
lantern. But even doing that I still get about 1 in 3 mantles that end
up with a hole after burn-in. The quality just isn't there anymore.


Yeah like you said tie the knot and don't trip over the lamp, especially
while it is lighted..like a moth to a flame that seems to be my weakness,
Frank.

Heh, now-days we are upgrading the generator instead of the mantle..arrrggh

I can still primitive camp a bit, butt toilet paper is high on the must
have list right next to extra mantles, fishing line, firewood, newspaper,
and such. No oak leaf wiping, please. My wife would freak.

Now we attempt to camp. :)

Jimmie D January 5th 07 03:27 AM

If Frank reveals one of his secret designs... he'll have to kill us
 

"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 22:22:41 GMT, james wrote
in :

On 3 Jan 2007 10:27:46 -0800, "Telstar Electronics"
wrote:

+++Frank Gilliland wrote:
+++ The employer owns the design. I have no right or control over any
+++ design made under the direction of any of my previous employers.
That
+++ means I can't use them, I can't re-use them, I can't sell them and I
+++ can't publically disclose them. The only reason I'm mentioning this
is
+++ because it was pointed out to me that a lot of people don't know
this.
+++ But it really doesn't matter to you since you were never an engineer
+++ and are now back to your pouting routine. Works for me.
+++
+++Frank, I couldn't resist responding to this. Are you saying that you
+++never designed anything outside of work? This makes no sense if you're
+++an engineer! Still waiting to see a design from you. Something tells
me
+++I've got a long wait... LOL
+++
+++What's new? Glad you asked...
+++http://www.telstar-electronics.com/d...s/WhatsNew.htm

***********

Outside my engineering job, designing circuits was as far as anything
that I wanted to do. When your hobby and work comingle, it makes for a
very dull life.



No kidding. My favorite hobby has nothing to do with electronics; I
rebuild & restore old Coleman lanterns. I would gladly trade any of
the crusty old CB's from my pile for a crusty old Coleman lantern.




Amen on that, almost totally lost interest in electronics when I started
doing it for a living.



Frank Gilliland January 5th 07 08:51 AM

If Frank reveals one of his secret designs... he'll have to kill us
 
On 05 Jan 2007 03:12:40 GMT, Steveo wrote in
:

Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 05 Jan 2007 02:19:06 GMT, Steveo wrote in
:

Frank Gilliland wrote:
-snip-
I would gladly trade any of
the crusty old CB's from my pile for a crusty old Coleman lantern.

I have a knack for busting the mantles on them, but otherwise that is
usually the brightest non-electric lamp in camp.


Don't mess with clip-on mantles -- they're worthless. Use the tie-on
type. Use a double-overhand knot, tie it loose -before- you slip on
the mantle, then even out the wrinkles and pull it tight. That way you
won't have a loose mantle that will fall apart when you bump the
lantern. But even doing that I still get about 1 in 3 mantles that end
up with a hole after burn-in. The quality just isn't there anymore.


Yeah like you said tie the knot and don't trip over the lamp, especially
while it is lighted..like a moth to a flame that seems to be my weakness,
Frank.

Heh, now-days we are upgrading the generator instead of the mantle..arrrggh



Easy enough. You can even rebuild the generator if you want. Use a
plastic scrub pad to clean the parts, but be careful because they bend
really easy. Then polish both the inside of the brass tube and the
outside of the cardboard tube with mega-fine sandpaper until the
cardboard tube slides freely inside the brass tube. Put it all back
together and fire it up. There will be a little muck left over so
you'll have to turn the cleaning handle a few times, but after that it
will work for almost as long as a brand new generator.

Oh yeah.... I hate to sound like a commercial, but don't use anything
but Coleman fuel. There are other brands of fuel available but they
are refined like pump gas; the shelf life is short, and if the fuel
has been sitting for a few months it will muck things up just like
pump gas does in your lawnmower over the winter. But I've never had a
bad can of Coleman fuel.


I can still primitive camp a bit, butt toilet paper is high on the must
have list right



Absolutely! In a major disaster, everyone should know where their
local TP warehouse is located!




Frank Gilliland January 5th 07 08:56 AM

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On Thu, 4 Jan 2007 22:27:17 -0500, "Jimmie D"
wrote in
:

snip

Amen on that, almost totally lost interest in electronics when I started
doing it for a living.



I know exactly what you mean. It was a cool hobby when I was a kid,
and I still keep a bench at home. But now every time I do something
electronic it's like I'm working and not really enjoying it anymore.
Go figure.




Jimmie D January 5th 07 09:16 AM

If Frank reveals one of his secret designs... he'll have to kill us
 

"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
...
On 05 Jan 2007 03:12:40 GMT, Steveo wrote in
:

Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 05 Jan 2007 02:19:06 GMT, Steveo wrote in
:

Frank Gilliland wrote:
-snip-
I would gladly trade any of
the crusty old CB's from my pile for a crusty old Coleman lantern.

I have a knack for busting the mantles on them, but otherwise that is
usually the brightest non-electric lamp in camp.

Don't mess with clip-on mantles -- they're worthless. Use the tie-on
type. Use a double-overhand knot, tie it loose -before- you slip on
the mantle, then even out the wrinkles and pull it tight. That way you
won't have a loose mantle that will fall apart when you bump the
lantern. But even doing that I still get about 1 in 3 mantles that end
up with a hole after burn-in. The quality just isn't there anymore.


Yeah like you said tie the knot and don't trip over the lamp, especially
while it is lighted..like a moth to a flame that seems to be my weakness,
Frank.

Heh, now-days we are upgrading the generator instead of the
mantle..arrrggh



Easy enough. You can even rebuild the generator if you want. Use a
plastic scrub pad to clean the parts, but be careful because they bend
really easy. Then polish both the inside of the brass tube and the
outside of the cardboard tube with mega-fine sandpaper until the
cardboard tube slides freely inside the brass tube. Put it all back
together and fire it up. There will be a little muck left over so
you'll have to turn the cleaning handle a few times, but after that it
will work for almost as long as a brand new generator.

Oh yeah.... I hate to sound like a commercial, but don't use anything
but Coleman fuel. There are other brands of fuel available but they
are refined like pump gas; the shelf life is short, and if the fuel
has been sitting for a few months it will muck things up just like
pump gas does in your lawnmower over the winter. But I've never had a
bad can of Coleman fuel.


I can still primitive camp a bit, butt toilet paper is high on the must
have list right



Absolutely! In a major disaster, everyone should know where their
local TP warehouse is located!




Ive been told that alcohol is good fuel for Coleman lanterns. Is this true.
I tried it once in a camp stove and it seemed to work OK.



Frank Gilliland January 5th 07 09:46 AM

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On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 04:16:38 -0500, "Jimmie D"
wrote in IHonh.19219$_X.15045@bigfe9:


Ive been told that alcohol is good fuel for Coleman lanterns. Is this true.
I tried it once in a camp stove and it seemed to work OK.



NO! Not unless it was made for alcohol. The main reason is that
alcohol (ethanol) will always have some water. It absorbs water right
from the air, whether in storage or from the air that you pump into
the fount. The ethanol/water solution is corrosive to the parts and
you get all kinds of nasty white/green deposits inside the fount. For
the same reason you should never use oxygenated gasoline in dual-fuel
lanterns and stoves. When they were designed it was never expected
that gasoline would ever contain ethanol. Coleman made a short run of
lanterns and stoves that could run on oxygenated gasoline but no
longer (and they are now prized collector items).

You -can-, however, run the lantern on kerosene! You have to pre-heat
the generator to get it started, and it will clog up more often, but
it will run just fine. I wouldn't use it indoors or in a tent because
kerosene will run rich in a gas lantern and you could die from carbon
monoxide poisoning. But outside it should be fine. You can even run a
gas/kerosene mix for easier starting. I haven't tried diesel or
heating oil yet but I suspect they would work like kerosene.




Jimmie D January 5th 07 11:22 AM

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"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
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On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 04:16:38 -0500, "Jimmie D"
wrote in IHonh.19219$_X.15045@bigfe9:


Ive been told that alcohol is good fuel for Coleman lanterns. Is this
true.
I tried it once in a camp stove and it seemed to work OK.



NO! Not unless it was made for alcohol. The main reason is that
alcohol (ethanol) will always have some water. It absorbs water right
from the air, whether in storage or from the air that you pump into
the fount. The ethanol/water solution is corrosive to the parts and
you get all kinds of nasty white/green deposits inside the fount. For
the same reason you should never use oxygenated gasoline in dual-fuel
lanterns and stoves. When they were designed it was never expected
that gasoline would ever contain ethanol. Coleman made a short run of
lanterns and stoves that could run on oxygenated gasoline but no
longer (and they are now prized collector items).

You -can-, however, run the lantern on kerosene! You have to pre-heat
the generator to get it started, and it will clog up more often, but
it will run just fine. I wouldn't use it indoors or in a tent because
kerosene will run rich in a gas lantern and you could die from carbon
monoxide poisoning. But outside it should be fine. You can even run a
gas/kerosene mix for easier starting. I haven't tried diesel or
heating oil yet but I suspect they would work like kerosene.




Speaking of kerosene I have a lantern you would love. It a railroad lantern
with mirror for signaling. It was my grandfathers when he used to work for
the RR. He ran a depot for the GA&FL. or G&F as it was called then.. ITs
brass with two big concave mirrors one red and the other not tinted..Only
used one mirror at a time, actually Im not sure if you were suppose to swap
the mirrors but grandpa did. When I was a teenager we actually used it for
camping. Soon it will be in a RR museum in South GA. The mirror is really
the interesting part to me as I have never seen one like it before. IT looks
like it was made by blowing a sphere then silvering the inside and
flattening it. Only half of the sphere was silvered, the part next to the
blowing stem the rest is clear and form the front of the mirror.When the
depot was shut down there were several old mirros around that the stem had
broken on, as you can imagine the silver probably didnt last long after
this. Are you familar with this type of lantern.



Steveo January 5th 07 12:16 PM

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Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 05 Jan 2007 03:12:40 GMT, Steveo wrote in
:

I can still primitive camp a bit, butt toilet paper is high on the must
have list right


Absolutely! In a major disaster, everyone should know where their
local TP warehouse is located!

Good advice all the way, Frank!

--
Be the rain.

Steveo January 5th 07 12:17 PM

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Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Thu, 4 Jan 2007 22:27:17 -0500, "Jimmie D"
wrote in
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snip

Amen on that, almost totally lost interest in electronics when I started
doing it for a living.


I know exactly what you mean. It was a cool hobby when I was a kid,
and I still keep a bench at home. But now every time I do something
electronic it's like I'm working and not really enjoying it anymore.
Go figure.

My lawn is the last to get food. :)

--
Be the rain.

Frank Gilliland January 5th 07 02:34 PM

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On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 06:22:57 -0500, "Jimmie D"
wrote in 3yqnh.19222$_X.2678@bigfe9:

snip

Speaking of kerosene I have a lantern you would love. It a railroad lantern
with mirror for signaling. It was my grandfathers when he used to work for
the RR. He ran a depot for the GA&FL. or G&F as it was called then.. ITs
brass with two big concave mirrors one red and the other not tinted..Only
used one mirror at a time, actually Im not sure if you were suppose to swap
the mirrors but grandpa did. When I was a teenager we actually used it for
camping. Soon it will be in a RR museum in South GA. The mirror is really
the interesting part to me as I have never seen one like it before. IT looks
like it was made by blowing a sphere then silvering the inside and
flattening it. Only half of the sphere was silvered, the part next to the
blowing stem the rest is clear and form the front of the mirror.When the
depot was shut down there were several old mirros around that the stem had
broken on, as you can imagine the silver probably didnt last long after
this. Are you familar with this type of lantern.



I can't quite picture it in my head. Got a pic? Or can you find a
similar lantern on ebay?





Frank Gilliland January 5th 07 02:39 PM

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On 05 Jan 2007 12:17:23 GMT, Steveo wrote in
:

Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Thu, 4 Jan 2007 22:27:17 -0500, "Jimmie D"
wrote in
:

snip

Amen on that, almost totally lost interest in electronics when I started
doing it for a living.


I know exactly what you mean. It was a cool hobby when I was a kid,
and I still keep a bench at home. But now every time I do something
electronic it's like I'm working and not really enjoying it anymore.
Go figure.

My lawn is the last to get food. :)



Hey, maybe you know how to fix this problem: The edge of my lawn that
hits the sidewalk always drys up about mid summer. I thought it was
getting burned by the heat from the concrete but it doesn't come back
no matter how much I water it, shade it, fertilize it, areate it....
and no, it's not from people walking their dogs. Is this some weird
type of grass that only grows next to concrete? Should I just reseed?



Steveo January 5th 07 05:16 PM

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Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 05 Jan 2007 12:17:23 GMT, Steveo wrote in
:

Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Thu, 4 Jan 2007 22:27:17 -0500, "Jimmie D"
wrote in
:

snip

Amen on that, almost totally lost interest in electronics when I
started doing it for a living.

I know exactly what you mean. It was a cool hobby when I was a kid,
and I still keep a bench at home. But now every time I do something
electronic it's like I'm working and not really enjoying it anymore.
Go figure.

My lawn is the last to get food. :)


Hey, maybe you know how to fix this problem: The edge of my lawn that
hits the sidewalk always drys up about mid summer. I thought it was
getting burned by the heat from the concrete but it doesn't come back
no matter how much I water it, shade it, fertilize it, areate it....
and no, it's not from people walking their dogs. Is this some weird
type of grass that only grows next to concrete? Should I just reseed?

Is it mostly sunny in that spot? It may be a strain poa annua which is an
annual grass that dies every summer. I'd have to see it to know. Yeah if
it's sunny there you might consider sowing some turf type tall fescue or
some sort of a perennial blend rye/blue/fescue. If it's shade go more with
the fine fescue/rye blend.

Frank Gilliland January 5th 07 07:15 PM

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On 05 Jan 2007 17:16:13 GMT, Steveo wrote in
:

snip

Is it mostly sunny in that spot? It may be a strain poa annua which is an
annual grass that dies every summer.



Nice and sunny. It comes back every spring all nice and green, then
croaks. ****es me off. But it doesn't get a chance to go to seed so it
has to be a perennial strain of something.


I'd have to see it to know. Yeah if
it's sunny there you might consider sowing some turf type tall fescue or
some sort of a perennial blend rye/blue/fescue. If it's shade go more with
the fine fescue/rye blend.



I'm definitely saving this post.... Thanks!!!




Steveo January 5th 07 08:49 PM

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Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 05 Jan 2007 17:16:13 GMT, Steveo wrote in
:

snip

Is it mostly sunny in that spot? It may be a strain poa annua which is
an annual grass that dies every summer.


Nice and sunny. It comes back every spring all nice and green, then
croaks. ****es me off. But it doesn't get a chance to go to seed so it
has to be a perennial strain of something.

The **** grass is what goes to seed generally, the annuals. Most desirable
turfgrass is perennial and never goes to seed because you cut it every
week. It never gets tall enough to produce seed... like corn.

If you see grass that's only 2 or 3 inches tall going to seed it's more
than likely an annual grass. It's considered a weed in most parts and
people will pay to try and prevent it. Golf courses hate it.

I'd have to see it to know. Yeah if
it's sunny there you might consider sowing some turf type tall fescue or
some sort of a perennial blend rye/blue/fescue. If it's shade go more
with the fine fescue/rye blend.


I'm definitely saving this post.... Thanks!!!

Glad to help. That's just a stab in the dark but it might be the problem.
It's real common here. We slice seed those areas for people in the spring
and fall.

Jimmie D January 6th 07 12:42 AM

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"Steveo" wrote in message
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Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 05 Jan 2007 17:16:13 GMT, Steveo wrote in
:

snip

Is it mostly sunny in that spot? It may be a strain poa annua which is
an annual grass that dies every summer.


Nice and sunny. It comes back every spring all nice and green, then
croaks. ****es me off. But it doesn't get a chance to go to seed so it
has to be a perennial strain of something.

The **** grass is what goes to seed generally, the annuals. Most desirable
turfgrass is perennial and never goes to seed because you cut it every
week. It never gets tall enough to produce seed... like corn.

If you see grass that's only 2 or 3 inches tall going to seed it's more
than likely an annual grass. It's considered a weed in most parts and
people will pay to try and prevent it. Golf courses hate it.

I'd have to see it to know. Yeah if
it's sunny there you might consider sowing some turf type tall fescue or
some sort of a perennial blend rye/blue/fescue. If it's shade go more
with the fine fescue/rye blend.


I'm definitely saving this post.... Thanks!!!

Glad to help. That's just a stab in the dark but it might be the problem.
It's real common here. We slice seed those areas for people in the spring
and fall.


I let my fescue get tall enough to go to seed a couple of times a year. I
have a neighbor who really hated this and she let me know in her catty way.
Funny thing the rest of my neighbors found out what I was doing now they are
too.

I told her it was a good thing we didnt live a little further south. Then
she would have to put up with me burning off my St Augustine every couple of
years.



U-Know-Who January 6th 07 01:23 AM

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"Jimmie D" wrote in message
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"Steveo" wrote in message
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Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 05 Jan 2007 17:16:13 GMT, Steveo wrote in
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snip

Is it mostly sunny in that spot? It may be a strain poa annua which is
an annual grass that dies every summer.

Nice and sunny. It comes back every spring all nice and green, then
croaks. ****es me off. But it doesn't get a chance to go to seed so it
has to be a perennial strain of something.

The **** grass is what goes to seed generally, the annuals. Most
desirable
turfgrass is perennial and never goes to seed because you cut it every
week. It never gets tall enough to produce seed... like corn.

If you see grass that's only 2 or 3 inches tall going to seed it's more
than likely an annual grass. It's considered a weed in most parts and
people will pay to try and prevent it. Golf courses hate it.

I'd have to see it to know. Yeah if
it's sunny there you might consider sowing some turf type tall fescue
or
some sort of a perennial blend rye/blue/fescue. If it's shade go more
with the fine fescue/rye blend.

I'm definitely saving this post.... Thanks!!!

Glad to help. That's just a stab in the dark but it might be the problem.
It's real common here. We slice seed those areas for people in the spring
and fall.


I let my fescue get tall enough to go to seed a couple of times a year. I
have a neighbor who really hated this and she let me know in her catty
way. Funny thing the rest of my neighbors found out what I was doing now
they are too.

I told her it was a good thing we didnt live a little further south. Then
she would have to put up with me burning off my St Augustine every couple
of years.




Why would you burn off St. Augustine?



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james January 6th 07 02:33 AM

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On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 18:17:51 -0800, Frank Gilliland
wrote:

+++No kidding. My favorite hobby has nothing to do with electronics; I
+++rebuild & restore old Coleman lanterns. I would gladly trade any of
+++the crusty old CB's from my pile for a crusty old Coleman lantern.

**************

My favorite hobby is astronomy. There bigger is definitely better.


james

Jimmie D January 6th 07 06:50 PM

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"U-Know-Who" wrote in message
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"Jimmie D" wrote in message
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"Steveo" wrote in message
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Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 05 Jan 2007 17:16:13 GMT, Steveo wrote in
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Is it mostly sunny in that spot? It may be a strain poa annua which is
an annual grass that dies every summer.

Nice and sunny. It comes back every spring all nice and green, then
croaks. ****es me off. But it doesn't get a chance to go to seed so it
has to be a perennial strain of something.

The **** grass is what goes to seed generally, the annuals. Most
desirable
turfgrass is perennial and never goes to seed because you cut it every
week. It never gets tall enough to produce seed... like corn.

If you see grass that's only 2 or 3 inches tall going to seed it's more
than likely an annual grass. It's considered a weed in most parts and
people will pay to try and prevent it. Golf courses hate it.

I'd have to see it to know. Yeah if
it's sunny there you might consider sowing some turf type tall fescue
or
some sort of a perennial blend rye/blue/fescue. If it's shade go more
with the fine fescue/rye blend.

I'm definitely saving this post.... Thanks!!!

Glad to help. That's just a stab in the dark but it might be the
problem.
It's real common here. We slice seed those areas for people in the
spring
and fall.


I let my fescue get tall enough to go to seed a couple of times a year. I
have a neighbor who really hated this and she let me know in her catty
way. Funny thing the rest of my neighbors found out what I was doing now
they are too.

I told her it was a good thing we didnt live a little further south. Then
she would have to put up with me burning off my St Augustine every couple
of years.




Why would you burn off St. Augustine?

Burn it off in the winter while it is dormant is the easiest way of getting
rid of the thatch. If you dont do it it will eventually choke itsself to
death. When this happens you get a big bald spot in your yard then the grass
fills in again. In other words if you dont dethatch it it will dethatch
itself in very ugly ways.






james January 6th 07 07:43 PM

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On Sat, 6 Jan 2007 13:50:43 -0500, "Jimmie D"
wrote:

+++Burn it off in the winter while it is dormant is the easiest way of getting
+++rid of the thatch. If you dont do it it will eventually choke itsself to
+++death. When this happens you get a big bald spot in your yard then the grass
+++fills in again. In other words if you dont dethatch it it will dethatch
+++itself in very ugly ways.

***********

Be sure to verify that the brown spots are not chinch bugs. T hey log
St. Augustine. They eat the roots and then you have brown dead grass.

james

Jimmie D January 7th 07 03:32 AM

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"james" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 6 Jan 2007 13:50:43 -0500, "Jimmie D"
wrote:

+++Burn it off in the winter while it is dormant is the easiest way of
getting
+++rid of the thatch. If you dont do it it will eventually choke itsself
to
+++death. When this happens you get a big bald spot in your yard then the
grass
+++fills in again. In other words if you dont dethatch it it will dethatch
+++itself in very ugly ways.

***********

Be sure to verify that the brown spots are not chinch bugs. T hey log
St. Augustine. They eat the roots and then you have brown dead grass.

james


Spectrocide, but burning keeps this down too.



JSF January 9th 07 02:05 AM

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OOO crap did any one notice the class d amp WAS running off the 120V line
input NO Isolation to the Finel D amp section to the speakers, WOW SHOCKING.

"james" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 18:17:51 -0800, Frank Gilliland
wrote:

+++No kidding. My favorite hobby has nothing to do with electronics; I
+++rebuild & restore old Coleman lanterns. I would gladly trade any of
+++the crusty old CB's from my pile for a crusty old Coleman lantern.

**************

My favorite hobby is astronomy. There bigger is definitely better.


james




Jimmie D January 9th 07 01:41 PM

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"Jimmie D" wrote in message
.. .

"james" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 6 Jan 2007 13:50:43 -0500, "Jimmie D"
wrote:

+++Burn it off in the winter while it is dormant is the easiest way of
getting
+++rid of the thatch. If you dont do it it will eventually choke itsself
to
+++death. When this happens you get a big bald spot in your yard then the
grass
+++fills in again. In other words if you dont dethatch it it will
dethatch
+++itself in very ugly ways.

***********

Be sure to verify that the brown spots are not chinch bugs. T hey log
St. Augustine. They eat the roots and then you have brown dead grass.

james


Spectrocide, but burning keeps this down too.


Obviously you have St. Augustine grass, How do yo dethatch yours. I know
there are mechanical ways of doing it but to me they are a lot of work and
rip out the roots.



U-Know-Who January 9th 07 02:02 PM

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"Jimmie D" wrote in message
. ..

"Jimmie D" wrote in message
.. .

"james" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 6 Jan 2007 13:50:43 -0500, "Jimmie D"
wrote:

+++Burn it off in the winter while it is dormant is the easiest way of
getting
+++rid of the thatch. If you dont do it it will eventually choke itsself
to
+++death. When this happens you get a big bald spot in your yard then
the grass
+++fills in again. In other words if you dont dethatch it it will
dethatch
+++itself in very ugly ways.
***********

Be sure to verify that the brown spots are not chinch bugs. T hey log
St. Augustine. They eat the roots and then you have brown dead grass.

james


Spectrocide, but burning keeps this down too.


Obviously you have St. Augustine grass, How do yo dethatch yours. I know
there are mechanical ways of doing it but to me they are a lot of work and
rip out the roots.


Scalping with a lawnmower in the very early spring is the most common
practice, while it is still semi-dormant. I suspect the city and the
neighbors would object to burning.



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Jimmie D January 9th 07 02:20 PM

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"JSF" wrote in message
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OOO crap did any one notice the class d amp WAS running off the 120V line
input NO Isolation to the Finel D amp section to the speakers, WOW
SHOCKING.

"james" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 18:17:51 -0800, Frank Gilliland
wrote:

+++No kidding. My favorite hobby has nothing to do with electronics; I
+++rebuild & restore old Coleman lanterns. I would gladly trade any of
+++the crusty old CB's from my pile for a crusty old Coleman lantern.

**************

My favorite hobby is astronomy. There bigger is definitely better.


james




Not to uncommon for a design that WILL work of of line voltage to not show a
transformer even though it should have one. This may be in the verbal
description of the AMP. Also any High Power amp may have a couple of hundred
volts DC on the speaker terminals if there is componet failure. There should
be circuitry to prevent this.whether it is line isolated or not. Typically
the protection circuit CROWBARS the power supply blowing the fuse(s). Again
it is not uncommon for something like this to not be included in the draft
copy of an amp design.



Jimmie D January 9th 07 02:50 PM

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"U-Know-Who" wrote in message
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"Jimmie D" wrote in message
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"Jimmie D" wrote in message
.. .

"james" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 6 Jan 2007 13:50:43 -0500, "Jimmie D"
wrote:

+++Burn it off in the winter while it is dormant is the easiest way of
getting
+++rid of the thatch. If you dont do it it will eventually choke
itsself to
+++death. When this happens you get a big bald spot in your yard then
the grass
+++fills in again. In other words if you dont dethatch it it will
dethatch
+++itself in very ugly ways.
***********

Be sure to verify that the brown spots are not chinch bugs. T hey log
St. Augustine. They eat the roots and then you have brown dead grass.

james

Spectrocide, but burning keeps this down too.


Obviously you have St. Augustine grass, How do yo dethatch yours. I know
there are mechanical ways of doing it but to me they are a lot of work
and rip out the roots.


Scalping with a lawnmower in the very early spring is the most common
practice, while it is still semi-dormant. I suspect the city and the
neighbors would object to burning.

No, where this stuff grow it seem like everybody burns it or doesnt have it.
At least thats been my experience.



Frank Gilliland January 9th 07 03:00 PM

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On Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:20:30 -0500, "Jimmie D"
wrote in
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"JSF" wrote in message
...
OOO crap did any one notice the class d amp WAS running off the 120V line
input NO Isolation to the Finel D amp section to the speakers, WOW
SHOCKING.

"james" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 18:17:51 -0800, Frank Gilliland
wrote:

+++No kidding. My favorite hobby has nothing to do with electronics; I
+++rebuild & restore old Coleman lanterns. I would gladly trade any of
+++the crusty old CB's from my pile for a crusty old Coleman lantern.
**************

My favorite hobby is astronomy. There bigger is definitely better.


james




Not to uncommon for a design that WILL work of of line voltage to not show a
transformer even though it should have one. This may be in the verbal
description of the AMP. Also any High Power amp may have a couple of hundred
volts DC on the speaker terminals if there is componet failure. There should
be circuitry to prevent this.whether it is line isolated or not. Typically
the protection circuit CROWBARS the power supply blowing the fuse(s). Again
it is not uncommon for something like this to not be included in the draft
copy of an amp design.



You're right, and I think I remember saying that it was a prototype.
The production version was a 2-channel unit that included a better
front-end with clipping indicator, a triac power switch (easier on the
power lines), a DC offset protection circuit (no crowbar), and thermal
breakers on the sinks. It was conservatively rated at 1000 watts RMS
continuous into 2 ohms in bridge mode. It could do 2000 watts but the
filters would get too hot because of the low carrier frequency, which
was the primary limitation of MOSFET technology at the time. Nowdays
they make MOSFETs with rise times in the sub nS range which made this
amp obsolete very quickly.





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