VoiceMax is Coming July 22nd... Are You Ready to be Heard?
 

On Jul 8, 9:05 pm, Vinnie S. wrote:
I don't think people want to screw with cutting or hacking their radio. I think
you would sell more as an external box. If amplifiers were this way, they would
never sell. That is why people buy them separately, granted, the size would have
some effect. But you can still get stinger boards.
Revisit the idea.

There are certainly pros & cons with either approach. One big problem
in the external design is the need for a battery. Our feeling was that
things with batteries can be problematic... and require additional
monitoring to make sure the unit is functioning on a daily basis. This
increased "battery vigilance" was one of the main reasons the internal
design was chosen. Another issue is definately the radio's internal
limiter. On most radios... this is factory set at around 85% possible
modulation. If you want to take full advantage of the VoiceMax 100%
constant modulation capability... the radios limiter needs to be
adjusted/disabled. The VoiceMax has built in limiting... so a
redundant system is not needed. However, if the limiter in the set is
not adjusted/disabled... VoiceMax will still increase and maintain the
modulation to whatever the radio's internal limiter is set to...
usally aroud 85% as I said before. It sounds like you have no plans to
open your radio... so VoiceMax is not for you.
www.telstar-electronics.com

VoiceMax is Coming July 22nd... Are You Ready to be Heard?
 

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 04:49:11 -0700, Telstar Electronics
wrote:

On Jul 8, 9:05 pm, Vinnie S. wrote:
I don't think people want to screw with cutting or hacking their radio. I think
you would sell more as an external box. If amplifiers were this way, they would
never sell. That is why people buy them separately, granted, the size would have
some effect. But you can still get stinger boards.
Revisit the idea.

There are certainly pros & cons with either approach. One big problem
in the external design is the need for a battery. Our feeling was that
things with batteries can be problematic... and require additional
monitoring to make sure the unit is functioning on a daily basis. This
increased "battery vigilance" was one of the main reasons the internal
design was chosen. Another issue is definately the radio's internal
limiter. On most radios... this is factory set at around 85% possible
modulation. If you want to take full advantage of the VoiceMax 100%
constant modulation capability... the radios limiter needs to be
adjusted/disabled. The VoiceMax has built in limiting... so a
redundant system is not needed. However, if the limiter in the set is
not adjusted/disabled... VoiceMax will still increase and maintain the
modulation to whatever the radio's internal limiter is set to...
usally aroud 85% as I said before. It sounds like you have no plans to
open your radio... so VoiceMax is not for you.
www.telstar-electronics.com


It's not for me, but I am showing interest, and you're blowing me off. The funny
thing is, I don't have the theory expertise that you, James, or Frank have. But
I am one of the few people that uses CB, that can open the radio up and read
schemtics, and follow directions for mods. I would guess that 95% of the people
still in CB, cannot do this, and would have to take it to a CB shop and have it
installed for anywhere from $30-5-. Why would they do this? As far as the
battery problem, there are a couple options. One is to put 12VDC terminals on
it, or simply use a 12V battery. Hell, the 9V battery in my mike lasts for
years.

Second question is, before I hack into my radio, how much better is this than my
Turner +3B with Speech Compression?

Vinnie S.

VoiceMax is Coming July 22nd... Are You Ready to be Heard?
 

On Jul 9, 8:09 am, Vinnie S. wrote:
It's not for me, but I am showing interest, and you're blowing me off. The funny
thing is, I don't have the theory expertise that you, James, or Frank have. But
I am one of the few people that uses CB, that can open the radio up and read
schemtics, and follow directions for mods. I would guess that 95% of the people
still in CB, cannot do this, and would have to take it to a CB shop and have it
installed for anywhere from $30-5-. Why would they do this? As far as the
battery problem, there are a couple options. One is to put 12VDC terminals on
it, or simply use a 12V battery. Hell, the 9V battery in my mike lasts for
years.
Second question is, before I hack into my radio, how much better is this than my
Turner +3B with Speech Compression?

I'm not trying to encourage or discourage you... just trying to give
you the facts. I agree that there are many people that don't have the
expertise to install such a device. These folks would have to seek the
help of a technically competent person... such as a CB shop as you
mention. I would suggest that you supply any potential installer with
the installation manual at http://www.telstar-electronics.com/VoiceMax%20B.pdf
.... to see if they feel they are capable of the job. As for your
question about the Turner... sorry... I have no knowledge regarding
this unit.

VoiceMax is Coming July 22nd... Are You Ready to be Heard?
 

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 04:49:11 -0700, Telspam Electronics
wrote in
.com:

On Jul 8, 9:05 pm, Vinnie S. wrote:
I don't think people want to screw with cutting or hacking their radio. I think
you would sell more as an external box. If amplifiers were this way, they would
never sell. That is why people buy them separately, granted, the size would have
some effect. But you can still get stinger boards.
Revisit the idea.

There are certainly pros & cons with either approach. One big problem
in the external design is the need for a battery. Our


MPD.


feeling was that
things with batteries can be problematic... and require additional
monitoring to make sure the unit is functioning on a daily basis. This
increased "battery vigilance" was one of the main reasons the internal
design was chosen.


Power mics have batteries but people still buy them. Or why not tap 12
volts from the power leads to the radio? If the box is so great I'm
sure people would be willing to do -that- much.


Another issue is definately the radio's internal
limiter. On most radios... this is factory set at around 85% possible
modulation.


Wrong. They are set at the factory for 95 to 98% modulation, as per
just about every service manual I've ever seen. And that's a lot of
manuals. An additional 2 to 5% is, for all practical purposes,
insignificant, translating to a peak power increase of less than 1%.


If you want to take full advantage of the VoiceMax 100%
constant modulation capability... the radios limiter needs to be
adjusted/disabled. The VoiceMax has built in limiting... so a
redundant system is not needed.


Wrong. The limiter in the radio is set for the specific radio, and is
usually integrated into the audio AGC that's already built into the
radio (which makes your processor somewhat redundant except for the
noise gate). Disabling the internal limiter and using an external
limiter will almost certainly result in clipping, especially when the
person setting it has no calibration equipment.... that is, assuming
your processor's limiter can be adjusted. Can it?


However, if the limiter in the set is
not adjusted/disabled... VoiceMax will still increase and maintain the
modulation to whatever the radio's internal limiter is set to...
usally aroud 85% as I said before. It sounds like you have no plans to
open your radio... so VoiceMax is not for you.


It sounds like you have no plans to open and read a few service
manuals and find out how these radios already work.

VoiceMax is Coming July 22nd... Are You Ready to be Heard?
 

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 06:54:48 -0700, Telstar Electronics
wrote:

+++On Jul 9, 8:09 am, Vinnie S. wrote:
+++ It's not for me, but I am showing interest, and you're blowing me off. The funny
+++ thing is, I don't have the theory expertise that you, James, or Frank have. But
+++ I am one of the few people that uses CB, that can open the radio up and read
+++ schemtics, and follow directions for mods. I would guess that 95% of the people
+++ still in CB, cannot do this, and would have to take it to a CB shop and have it
+++ installed for anywhere from $30-5-. Why would they do this? As far as the
+++ battery problem, there are a couple options. One is to put 12VDC terminals on
+++ it, or simply use a 12V battery. Hell, the 9V battery in my mike lasts for
+++ years.
+++ Second question is, before I hack into my radio, how much better is this than my
+++ Turner +3B with Speech Compression?
+++
+++I'm not trying to encourage or discourage you... just trying to give
+++you the facts. I agree that there are many people that don't have the
+++expertise to install such a device. These folks would have to seek the
+++help of a technically competent person... such as a CB shop as you
+++mention. I would suggest that you supply any potential installer with
+++the installation manual at http://www.telstar-electronics.com/VoiceMax%20B.pdf
+++... to see if they feel they are capable of the job. As for your
+++question about the Turner... sorry... I have no knowledge regarding
+++this unit.
**********

The only reason I see for doing a internal board and not an external
unit is that a board has to be bought for every radio a person owns if
they want to have the same capabilities on all their radios. Thus more
potential sales. The rest of your explanation is pure hogwash.

james

VoiceMax is Coming July 22nd... Are You Ready to be Heard?
 

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 04:49:11 -0700, Telstar Electronics
wrote:

+++On Jul 8, 9:05 pm, Vinnie S. wrote:
+++ I don't think people want to screw with cutting or hacking their radio. I think
+++ you would sell more as an external box. If amplifiers were this way, they would
+++ never sell. That is why people buy them separately, granted, the size would have
+++ some effect. But you can still get stinger boards.
+++ Revisit the idea.
+++
+++There are certainly pros & cons with either approach. One big problem
+++in the external design is the need for a battery. Our feeling was that
+++things with batteries can be problematic... and require additional
+++monitoring to make sure the unit is functioning on a daily basis. This
+++increased "battery vigilance" was one of the main reasons the internal
+++design was chosen. Another issue is definately the radio's internal
+++limiter. On most radios... this is factory set at around 85% possible
+++modulation. If you want to take full advantage of the VoiceMax 100%
+++constant modulation capability... the radios limiter needs to be
+++adjusted/disabled. The VoiceMax has built in limiting... so a
+++redundant system is not needed. However, if the limiter in the set is
+++not adjusted/disabled... VoiceMax will still increase and maintain the
+++modulation to whatever the radio's internal limiter is set to...
+++usally aroud 85% as I said before. It sounds like you have no plans to
+++open your radio... so VoiceMax is not for you.
+++www.telstar-electronics.com
***************

Hogwash and plenty of it.

the SSM2166 draws about 10mA of current. Four NiMH AA batteries have
1800mAhr capabilities. At full charge that delivers 5.6VDC to the
chip. Well within the operating range. Should get about 150 hrs of
operation. Add a charging circuit and you have no more issues.

Yep the internal audio power amp has some form of limiting
(compression) that keeps the modulation percentage in the 85 to 100%
range. Often that feedback path is the first thing that most CBers cut
out when they buy their radios. So what is the need for another
internal compression unit when CBers don't want aduio compression?
Secondly why add another compressor when you already have sufficient
compression built into the radio? If I wanted more, I would increase
the negative feedback to the controlled gain stage of the audio
modualtor section. Often this is just a resistor value change.

Beisdes increasing modulation percentage from 85% to 100% gains little
in range or intelligability. Often not worth the effort. Adds about 7%
audio power into the each of the two sidebands. Even if the limiter
section of the modulator section is not disabled adding your
compressor is not going to increase the percentage of modulation. So
why waste the money to buy and install it unless you disable the
radio's internal limiter?

After doing all that to gain up to 15% increased modulation
percentage? Cheaper to clip and/or alter the feedback in the
modualtion stage.

james

VoiceMax is Coming July 22nd... Are You Ready to be Heard?
 

On Jul 9, 12:03 pm, james wrote:
the SSM2166 draws about 10mA of current. Four NiMH AA batteries have
1800mAhr capabilities. At full charge that delivers 5.6VDC to the
chip. Well within the operating range. Should get about 150 hrs of
operation. Add a charging circuit and you have no more issues.

James, you are very similar to Frank... in that you have distinct
ideas. The problem you both have is one of conveyance. I have made
every effort to answer your questions in a civil manner... but you
continue to rant uncontrollably. I'm not sure by what authority you
speak... since you have no design of your own. Therefore, the
conversation with Frank and James is ended as far as I'm concerned. If
some others have questions, I'd be more than happy to attempt to
answer you. If you don't wish to use this forum... I fully understand.
Please email me anytime.
www.telstar-electronics.com

VoiceMax is Coming July 22nd... Are You Ready to be Heard?
 

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 10:42:53 -0700, Telspam Electronics
wrote in
.com:

On Jul 9, 12:03 pm, james wrote:
the SSM2166 draws about 10mA of current. Four NiMH AA batteries have
1800mAhr capabilities. At full charge that delivers 5.6VDC to the
chip. Well within the operating range. Should get about 150 hrs of
operation. Add a charging circuit and you have no more issues.

James, you are very similar to Frank... in that you have distinct
ideas. The problem you both have is one of conveyance. I have made
every effort to answer your questions in a civil manner... but you
continue to rant uncontrollably.


9 square feet? 85% stock modulation? "Linearity is not required for
SSB..."? What do you expect, Brian.... a standing ovation?


I'm not sure by what authority you
speak... since you have no design of your own. Therefore, the
conversation with Frank and James is ended as far as I'm concerned.


I have shown you more than enough of my work for you to see my
credentials. If you need more then just ask, I'll email you a copy of
my graduation certificate from USMC Ground Radio Repair Course (MCCES,
29 Palms, CA), my college diploma, and even a copy of my Master's
thesis when it's finished.

You, for obvious reasons, have yet to post the schematic for your amp.


If
some others have questions, I'd be more than happy to attempt to
answer you. If you don't wish to use this forum... I fully understand.
Please email me anytime.


It would be better for them to post their questions in the group so
those of us who know what we are talking about can set them straight
after you attempt to dazzle them with your RF hocus-pocus..... like
trying to sell people an aftermarket compressor when there's already
one built into the radio.... what a scam.

Who was that comedian who did the "instant water" routine? Instant
water... just add water!

VoiceMax is Coming July 22nd... Are You Ready to be Heard?
 

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 11:25:59 -0700, Frank Gilliland
wrote in
:

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 10:42:53 -0700, Telspam Electronics
wrote in
s.com:

On Jul 9, 12:03 pm, james wrote:
the SSM2166 draws about 10mA of current. Four NiMH AA batteries have
1800mAhr capabilities. At full charge that delivers 5.6VDC to the
chip. Well within the operating range. Should get about 150 hrs of
operation. Add a charging circuit and you have no more issues.

James, you are very similar to Frank... in that you have distinct
ideas. The problem you both have is one of conveyance. I have made
every effort to answer your questions in a civil manner... but you
continue to rant uncontrollably.


9 square feet? 85% stock modulation? "Linearity is not required for
SSB..."? What do you expect, Brian.... a standing ovation?


And I almost forgot your latest ****up: You, maker and seller of CB
amps, running two modified radios, declare that you're "100% legal"?

ROTFL!!!!

You're a liar from top to bottom, Brian. NOBODY believes anything you
say. That's why nobody is defending you in the newsgroup -- or hadn't
you noticed? Gawd you are dumb.

VoiceMax is Coming July 22nd... Are You Ready to be Heard?
 

Beisdes increasing modulation percentage from 85% to 100% gains little
in range or intelligability. Often not worth the effort. Adds about 7%
audio power into the each of the two sidebands. Even if the limiter
section of the modulator section is not disabled adding your
compressor is not going to increase the percentage of modulation. So
why waste the money to buy and install it unless you disable the
radio's internal limiter?

The original radio has the capability of getting to 85% modulation.
This 85% is by no means the average modulation... which is really
around 40% with voice signals. The VoiceMax brings the average
modulation to 100%! That means that every voice... high or low... soft
or loud... will modulate the radio at a constant 100%. I'm in full
agreement with your last statement... if your leave the radio's
limiter untouched... you will only be able to maintain a constant 85%
modulation. Granted, that is a great improvement from the original
radio modulation... but to get full advantage from VoiceMax (the
VoiceMax installation instructions are quite clear on this point)...
you need to adjust or disable the radio's limiter so you're able to
reach the 100% modualtion point. Once there... the VoiceMax has an on-
board adjustable limiter that will hold you precisely at the 100%
level. You can't do any better than that!
www.telstar-electronics.com