cmdr buzz corey wrote:

...
However we know that cbers are like audiophools, they will buy into
snake oil that they think will give them that "big signal".


You, quite obviously, have never heard a, good, real speech compressor
in actual action--under adverse conditions ...

It is even possible to pick up a guys compete audio when his signal
won't even register on your meter ...

On equal signals producing a heterodyne--you'll hear the guy with the
speech compressor ...

JS

On Sep 2, 9:50 pm, John Smith wrote:
cmdr buzz coreywrote:

...

However we know that cbers are like audiophools, they will buy into
snake oil that they think will give them that "big signal".

You, quite obviously, have never heard a, good, real speech compressor
in actual action--under adverse conditions ...

It is even possible to pick up a guys compete audio when his signal
won't even register on your meter ...

On equal signals producing a heterodyne--you'll hear the guy with the
speech compressor ...

JS

I have heard many speech processors. Most were either of poor design
or mis-used by the operator so the audio sounded like crap. A good
speech processor, properly adjusted can enhance the signal, but none
can "hold the modulation at 100 percent" as the snake oil salesman
claims.

On Sep 2, 10:56 pm, cmdr buzz corey
wrote:
A good
speech processor, properly adjusted can enhance the signal, but none
can "hold the modulation at 100 percent" as the snake oil salesman
claims.

What are you basing this statement on? Fact or fiction? Please give a
reference(s) that support your claim that holding the modulation at
100% can't be done.

On the other hand... AGC circuits (like is used in VoiceMax) are well
known... and support my claim that this rock-solid modulation level
can be achieved.
www.telstar-electronics.com

On Sep 3, 7:03 am, Telstar Electronics
wrote:
On Sep 2, 10:56 pm, cmdr buzz corey
wrote:

A good
speech processor, properly adjusted can enhance the signal, but none
can "hold the modulation at 100 percent" as the snake oil salesman
claims.

What are you basing this statement on? Fact or fiction? Please give a
reference(s) that support your claim that holding the modulation at
100% can't be done.

Please give some facts about how you can hold the modulation at a
constant 100%. To have AM the modulated envelope must vary in strength
otherwise you have no audio, just carrier. Your claims are just snake
oil.


On the other hand... AGC circuits (like is used in VoiceMax) are well
known... and support my claim that this rock-solid modulation level
can be achieved.www.telstar-electronics.com

On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 21:38:32 -0700, cmdr buzz corey
wrote:

|Please give some facts about how you can hold the modulation at a
|constant 100%. To have AM the modulated envelope must vary in strength
|otherwise you have no audio, just carrier. Your claims are just snake
|oil.
|----------------

Actually an AM signal with a constant 100% modulated signal is more
equivalent to a single tone at a constant level. Just carrier would be
a condition when there is no modulation.

In either case there is no intelligence being transmitted.

james

On Sep 4, 3:22 pm, james wrote:
Actually an AM signal with a constant 100% modulated signal is more
equivalent to a single tone at a constant level. Just carrier would be
a condition when there is no modulation.
In either case there is no intelligence being transmitted.

Nonsense. Why can't you have multiple frequencies (such as voice) at
the 100% level? The answer: you can!
Now that signal has all the original intelligence of the voice that
created it...
www.telstar-electronics.com

On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 15:42:26 -0700, Telstar Electronics
wrote:

|On Sep 4, 3:22 pm, james wrote:
| Actually an AM signal with a constant 100% modulated signal is more
| equivalent to a single tone at a constant level. Just carrier would be
| a condition when there is no modulation.
| In either case there is no intelligence being transmitted.
|
|Nonsense. Why can't you have multiple frequencies (such as voice) at
|the 100% level? The answer: you can!
|Now that signal has all the original intelligence of the voice that
|created it...
|www.telstar-electronics.com
|
|--------------

One frequency or five thousand frequencies, if they are all at the
same amplitude the resultant modulated signal is still unintelligable.

You simple can't transmit intelligence with a constant 100% modulated
AM carrier.

Now if you compressor was advertised at giving a average of 50%
modulation, then I would not have as much issues. On average an AM
signal will be about 33% average modulation with peaks at about 100%.
The human voice generally lies between 3 to 1 and 5 to 1 peak to
average power.

james

Bottom line... it works as advertised. The ebay feedback supports
that...
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAP...d=260154735664
Whether you believe it or not is of little consequence...
www.telstar-electronics.com

: What are you basing this statement on? Fact or fiction? Please give a
: reference(s) that support your claim that holding the modulation at
: 100% can't be done.

I have never heard of any audio AGC circuit that doesn't have some measure
of overshoot. You claim to have invented an audio agc circuit with zero
overshoot..? When at least thousands of engineers have been trying to
approach the equivalent results for well over a half century.

: On the other hand... AGC circuits (like is used in VoiceMax) are well
: known... and support my claim that this rock-solid modulation level
: can be achieved.

There's a different in heavily compressed everthing audio and actual
usable audio level without all the background level/noise. Care to tell
us how you do it with such a basic circuit... even in generic terms is
fine with me.

thanks
s.

On Sep 18, 6:10 pm, Skipp checks in once in a while
wrote:
: What are you basing this statement on? Fact or fiction? Please give a
: reference(s) that support your claim that holding the modulation at
: 100% can't be done.

I have never heard of any audio AGC circuit that doesn't have some measure
of overshoot. You claim to have invented an audio agc circuit with zero
overshoot..? When at least thousands of engineers have been trying to
approach the equivalent results for well over a half century.

: On the other hand... AGC circuits (like is used in VoiceMax) are well
: known... and support my claim that this rock-solid modulation level
: can be achieved.

There's a different in heavily compressed everthing audio and actual
usable audio level without all the background level/noise. Care to tell
us how you do it with such a basic circuit... even in generic terms is
fine with me.


Good to hear from you Skipp. You're right... every AGC circuit has
overshoot. The overshoot on VoiceMax has a duration of about 1mS using
the Analog devices SSM2166. You can see the complete specs of this
chip at http://www.analog.com/UploadedFiles/...ts/SSM2166.pdf
www.telstar-electronics.com