In RlmTa.120842$ye4.88030@sccrnsc01, "CBer" wrote:

Lets face it , if there was a GOOD CB built, Not the Uniden,cobra, or any of
the other crap on the market as of now , there would not be any reason for
any Tweak or Peak.

There's nothing wrong with the performance of most CB radios built today. There
are a couple that have issues with the receiver, but vast majority work just
fine for their intended purpose.

Most AMers Like to be LOUD, and SWING.

If you prefer screaming instead of communicating then you probably picked the
wrong hobby. If you check your favorite search engine you can probably find a
yelling contest in just about every redneck mudhole in the US, so I'm sure there
is one near you. And if watching a little red needle bounce around to your voice
gives you so much personal satisfaction that you turn it into a hobby, then
perhaps you should seek a mental health professional that's experienced in
Freudian analysis.

Put in a mic circuit like is used in FM equiment ( a audio clipper,and
low pass filter) feeding to a modulation adjustment, it will sound LOUD,
without needing audio compressors as used in all CBs today that techs cut
out causing overmodulation.

Like most keyclowns you have no idea what you are talking about. Those "techs"
usually cut out the very same thing you want to add -- the audio clipper and
low-pass filter -- commonly referred to as the 'limiter'. The result is "LOUD"
because it's overmodulating and splattering into other channels. Get a clue.





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Scott Unit 69 wrote:

You, too, can be a truckstop screwdriver wizard...

Hey, even cb'ers need techs.....

I thought a tune up was changing the oil, and replacing the spark plugs.
NOW you to now can be the first on your block to screw up CBs.

Did you notice the radios listed in that book are over 20 years old?


Sure. Thery're the ones which were the most popular with experimenters,
and are by far, the easiest to modify.



They need real techs by now, not a screwdriver wizard. I'd like to
see him fix up the TRC-451 I've got using that book. He'd have to
buy the radio from me first, 'cause it won't be usable when I get
it back!!! Let's see, no AM modulation, VR10 makes no difference.
RX audio starts to "tear". Need to turn radio off & on to fix. It
has a great receive, beats my PC-122, but the 122 works on AM, &
the audio doesn't "tear" (pronounced like "tare"), but needs a
preamp to hear stuff far away. Too much LO, perhaps?

Any radio which is 20 years old or more, and has "strange" problems like
you're describing, needs to be aware of drying electrolytic capacitors.
They are the bane of most older radios.



It's a mute point, CB has so much f-ing noise and skip. I barely
turn it on for more then a minute. No need to. All the locals
went ham. Nice and clear on 2 meter simplex, no skip, bleedover
or DaveMade AH's to deal with. The ones here are assholes. All
that power must turn their brain to jello.

You're starting to sound like me ;-)


I would like to be able to use my CB again if mother nature ever
sends the Mexicans back home. The Senorita says 2 words with an
off frequency radio that drifts when she keys, and has a roger
beep. Listen to that for a few minutes. Then there's the Latino
with a humming power supply that's awful to hear with a BFO on it...

You forgot the echo boxes.

But don't fret. The sunspots are on the decline now. I've been hearing
an increased local presence again, now that the skip is pretty much dead
at night now, except during strange weather fronts.

Dave
"Sandbagger"

From: (Scott=A0Unit=A069)
see him fix up the TRC-451 I've got using that

book. He'd have to buy the radio from me first, '
cause it won't be usable when I get it back!!!

"TRC" as in "Radio Shack"?
_
Hmm...I have been under the impression the older rat shacks models are
some of the easiest to tune, mod, peak, repair,,,whatever...perhaps I'm
just lucky and my techs are all super techs.

The TRC-451 is a Cobra 146 in a different

package.




See all the good stuff I learn here?
Was never really a Cobra fan, but it's good to know,
_
Let's see, no AM modulation, VR10 makes no
difference.


Ahh,.... it appears you are trying to RE-fix a radio where someone has
already been inside......I would guess this would be very different as
opposed to going into a stock virgin radio.


This and a broken Lafayette LMS-40 were

picked up broken for $10 my years ago. The

Lafayette is a 9.5. The TRC is weathered

badly enough for green corrosion to show on

the front. A few screws had to be drilled out

when I got it. When I get the bugs out of it

(someday, it's not too important to me), I'll take
it to the local tech that fixes anything (State

Police radio tech) for a complete factory

alignment. It's not worth his going rate to fix it.

Besides, I need that experience!!!

_
LIKE the DX,,,LOVE the DX on 11 meter, and the only reason some are into
cb is for HF DX. Talking everyday with the help of repeaters quickly
takes the fun out of long distance communications, for many HF DX
enthusiasts, and many simply do not give a damn about hammie radio.
CBers, collectively, do not tend to mention or concern themselves with
hammie radio. Wonder why the opposite doesn't hold true? Nevertheless,
it's good you found a medium of communication that lends you what you
have been missing on cb. For many others, cb is it,,,there is no
interest in hammie radio. Some intellectually-challenged folks have a
problem with this and feel since one is not interested in hammie radio,
one is somehow "beneath" those who who are. THAT'S really gonna add to
the hammie numbers....can't help but howl at those who share that view.

_
Skip will die down, some year. My CB will get

more use. Right now, it's pretty useless for

local talking. Skip has gotten boring over the

past 26 years. Same noise, different

screamer. :





And that is how many folks come to hammie radio, growing bored with cb
and looking for more than mere skip.
_
Depending on the TRC unit you own, either 22
or 39 other channels are available. Between this and a beam, there are
many avenues of escape. When the aggravation factor sets in concerning
what one hears on the air, no matter what service one uses, it's time to
shut it off.


The only 23 channel radio I have is a Regency
Range Gain. Mid 60's tube model, crystal

synth mixing. It's about a 6 or 7. Original mike!




I still have an old Regency scanner that utilizes crystals. Still works,
too.


I turn my CB on when I'm out. It only takes a

minute before some Mexican or trucker or

bleedover turns my receive to trash. CLICK. I

try again 10 or 20 minutes later. Repeat cycle,
ad nausium,





I hear ya'.......I just keep changing freqs,,sooner or later I can find
some DX that is louder than the Espanol....I really don't mind talking
DX to the big trucks.

_
BTW, if I change channel, how will we find

each other besides 2 meter simplex?



Ha! You can always listen for me on the freeband and reply on 2
meter...I mean, many instances exist where one transmits on one feq and
replies on another g....

From: (Jim=A0Hampton)
Twist,

Your comment to Scott about the 'holier than

thou' is well taken.




Only I made no such comment,,at least not lately nor in this thread.



Now, I'll put you in your place concerning

tuning up a radio. I turn on the entertainment

center, punch up 91.3, and there is WGMC -

nice jazz station - presto, I'm tuned up. For

those who don't understand, go to

rec.radio.amateur.policy or

rec.radio.amateur.misc. Oh well, hope the

fishing is going well for ya!




Rain stopped and the bite slowed,,,go figure.




Why is it that so many folks just can't seem to

get along or at least leave others alone? Oh

well ...

73 from Rochester, NY

Jim

ps - if you need further info on tuning a radio,

just let me know heheheeeee
...
BTW, I will stick up for Scott. The dude is

helping others. Really. Not everyone is as one
sided as some of the folks I (or you) refer to.

Unfortunately, a few *idiots* on one side or the
other of the 'fence' give bad names to the rest.
Tickle easy!

_
I never had a problem with Scott or his posts. He's one person that
discuss either service without getting rabid about legalities. It has
been my experience that folks with good intentions need no "sticking up"
or defense from another, but I'm certain he appreciated the gesture.

From: (Frank=A0Gilliland)
In , "Jim Hampton"

wrote:
Twist,
Your comment to Scott about the 'holier than thou' is well taken. snip

Jim, Twisty is right that some hammies have a
holier-than-thou attitude, but it's held mostly by
hammies like Twisty who use it as an excuse

to operate outside the limits of their license.



LOL......how can I use my hammie status as an "excuse" when I maintain I
have no "hammie status".? Hmm? HHahaha..go back to sleep.


I hope you are not agreeing with him in that

respect.




In that "respect"? LOL..hahahahha! You mean in that "aspect"..LOL..the
"aspect" was yours, not mine,,,what he agreed with, was that there are
several lids present,,end of story. Your repeated failure at attempting
to place words in my mouth illustrates exactly the type lid I speak of.

In , "CBer"
wrote:

Mabry you need to read what I said again, IN CBs there is NO audio clipper
( look into a FM transmitter circuit and see if one of those are found
inside a CB, NOT. ) it just a feed back circuit that controls the modulation
level by using a AGC audio circuit, and that is what the techs cut out.

You are right, most of them do use an AGC (AMC) system. Regardless, they are
there for a reason -- they prevent overmodulation while maintaining the dynamic
range of the modulating speech. Disabling the circuit will most definately cause
overmodulation.

BTW, Mabry is back with the Mariner's again.

In
my reference the audio clippers does clip the audio in a symmetrical way
that sounds Good with out over modulation.

The AMC circuits are not symmetrical? And unless you happen to have a sampling
o-scope on the bench, how do you know you aren't overmodulating? You don't, and
you most likely are, especially when "LOUD" is your primary objective.

For as saying CB want to be Loud and Swing
is a kick .

Maybe to a moron or a small child.

Read the other post first before jumping. Open up the CBs as of today and
compare it to other radios in the other fields, they are being in
technology, To BIG, no good engineering in them, just old circuits that
everybody in china has copied, and the same old cap.

That's because AM is old technology. Read MY other post before jumping -- radio
is a method of communication. It is not an amusement park for morons, and not a
therapy room for unsocialized misfits whom people ignore in normal conversation.
If you want to be 'LOUD', distort your voice, and add cool sound effects, get an
audio effects box like a MidiVerb and plug it into your stereo. If you want to
be heard, say something that people want to hear instead of forcing your idiotic
and thoughtless rhetoric on them with screaming, splatter and 'swang'. Because
otherwise, the only people you are impressing are other morons like yourself.

Here's a new technical term for you: PLP, or Peak Learning Power. It is defined
as the highest point on the learning curve that a person is able to achieve.
People with a low PLP never seem to understand that "power" isn't how many watts
you have, it's how you -control- those watts; and it's not how "LOUD" you are,
it's how you -control- your speech. Even Twisty understands that much. Like I
said before, get a clue. Do you want to impress people? Prove that your PLP
wasn't maxed out by the concepts of "LOUD" and "swang".






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In MPETa.130872$Ph3.16923@sccrnsc04, "CBer" wrote:


"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
.. .
In , "CBer"

wrote:

Mabry you need to read what I said again, IN CBs there is NO audio
clipper
( look into a FM transmitter circuit and see if one of those are found
inside a CB, NOT. ) it just a feed back circuit that controls the
modulation
level by using a AGC audio circuit, and that is what the techs cut out.

You are right, most of them do use an AGC (AMC) system. Regardless, they
are
there for a reason -- they prevent overmodulation while maintaining the
dynamic
range of the modulating speech. Disabling the circuit will most definately
cause
overmodulation.

BTW, Mabry is back with the Mariner's again.

In
my reference the audio clippers does clip the audio in a symmetrical way
that sounds Good with out over modulation.

The AMC circuits are not symmetrical? And unless you happen to have a
sampling
o-scope on the bench, how do you know you aren't overmodulating? You
don't, and
you most likely are, especially when "LOUD" is your primary objective.

I did not say anything about symmetrical IN a AM AMC circuit only in the
FM circuit.

You said to put the FM clipper in an AM radio to sound loud; "Put in a mic
circuit like is used in FM equiment...." So how is it symmetrical in an FM radio
and not an AM radio? How is an AGC circuit -not- symmetrical? Or is it like your
clipper that is only symmetrical in an FM radio?

For as saying CB want to be Loud and Swing
is a kick .

Maybe to a moron or a small child.

I guess you do not get it, I HATE THE TERM SWING, and LOUD I think its
STUPTED OK.

That seems to contradict your previous statement: "For as saying CB want to be
Loud and Swing is a kick ."



Read the other post first before jumping. Open up the CBs as of today
and
compare it to other radios in the other fields, they are being in
technology, To BIG, no good engineering in them, just old circuits that
everybody in china has copied, and the same old cap.

That's because AM is old technology. Read MY other post before jumping --
radio
is a method of communication. It is not an amusement park for morons, and
not a
therapy room for unsocialized misfits whom people ignore in normal
conversation.
If you want to be 'LOUD', distort your voice, and add cool sound effects,
get an
audio effects box like a MidiVerb and plug it into your stereo. If you
want to
be heard, say something that people want to hear instead of forcing your
idiotic
and thoughtless rhetoric on them with screaming, splatter and 'swang'.
Because
otherwise, the only people you are impressing are other morons like
yourself.

Just because AM is a old technology doesn't mean that it can't use newer
style parts with some improvements
in the circuit design and a smaller BOX.

And they have made plenty of improvements over the years. Starting with tube
circuits and point-to-point wiring, moving on to PCBs, semiconductors,
integrated circuits and PLLs, and many even have seperate processors for
frequency control and audio processing. Compare the size and weight of the old
whiteface Johnson Messenger or the Lafayette HE-20 to that of any modern radios,
and if you can't tell the difference then try dropping both of them on your
feet. And don't forget that this is CB radio -- it ain't NASA, SETI, military or
commercial trunking, HDTV, cell-phone networking, or even amateur radio. CB is
about one step above a child's walkie-talkie, using modulation methods that are
older than your great-grandpappy. So how much technology do you need? Or do you
just want some hi-tech stuff in your CB radio because 'hi-tech' is cool?

Here's a new technical term for you: PLP, or Peak Learning Power. It is
defined
as the highest point on the learning curve that a person is able to
achieve.
People with a low PLP never seem to understand that "power" isn't how many
watts
you have, it's how you -control- those watts; and it's not how "LOUD" you
are,
it's how you -control- your speech. Even Twisty understands that much.
Like I
said before, get a clue. Do you want to impress people? Prove that your
PLP
wasn't maxed out by the concepts of "LOUD" and "swang".

I have a term , IHFMTYWEL. I have forgot more than you will ever learn.

That's obvious. Try to jog your memory a bit, eh?






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'hi-tech' is cool. Yes I want a CB built like a ICOM, small, new ICs,not
discrete transistors, much smaller, good designed case,
and a good modulation circuit with good audio processing.

What a moron

: Frank Gilliland wrote:

: You are right, most of them do use an AGC (AMC) system. Regardless, they are
: there for a reason -- they prevent overmodulation while maintaining the dynamic
: range of the modulating speech. Disabling the circuit will most definately cause
: overmodulation.

"...maintaining the dynamic range of the modulating speech."

Not accurate
s.