Frank Gilliland wrote:
In , jim wrote:


.... the freq cops may disagree but they have, in their
misguided attempts, done more to stifle "Citizens Band' radio
proliferation by saying what should not be done instead of how can we
help.


That's just a load of hogwash. Eitner, Toll, and the rest of the voodoo-techies
have done nothing but set the state of radio technology back nearly a century,
redeveloped it using very little education, and created a whole lot of RF
mythology to explain what their lack of education can't. What "RF cops" have
done is to let people know that watts are not nearly as important as mode,
antenna efficiency, receive noise, etc; that a Class C amp isn't linear, but
makes a good splatter-box; that the length of your coax is important only if you
have a grounding problem; that "Bird watts" is a term without a definition; that
'swang' and overmodulation cause harmonics, wasting RF power by sending it out
on the wrong frequency; that overmodulation also distorts audio by making it
louder but less intelligible; that distortion from dirty amps can cause RFI in
all kinds of stuff, including cordless phones, home stereos, hospital equipment,
emergency communications, and even automotive electronic systems.... do I need
to continue?


actually yes frank. your points are well received by those who have to
wade through the crap that permeates this board. just because you
disagree with the above named 'voodo techs' at least you were exercising
what this place should be about.


hey george, dougie and your cadre what have you brought to the
table beside homo related posts???????????????


Why don't you put the same question to Hypocrite Landshark, Dickhed Cranium, gw,
etc, etc? There are trolls on both sides, and I'll bet that most of them swing
both ways under different identities just to stir up trouble.

why do you propogate the nonsense by name calling. thought you were
affiliated with a school. is this what you impress upon your students if
indeed you are an instructor/teacher/mentor?










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In , jim wrote:



Frank Gilliland wrote:
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Why don't you put the same question to Hypocrite Landshark, Dickhed Cranium, gw,
etc, etc? There are trolls on both sides, and I'll bet that most of them swing
both ways under different identities just to stir up trouble.

why do you propogate the nonsense by name calling.

What does it matter which name I use for someone that posts anonymously?
It doesn't.

thought you were
affiliated with a school.

Quite a few years ago....

is this what you impress upon your students if
indeed you are an instructor/teacher/mentor?

My students all knew my name, and I knew all of their names. And there were a
few things I constantly reinforced:

1. Think for yourself. In your post you stated the opinion that techs like Toll
and Eitner left because of pressure from the "frequency cops". Is that -your-
opinion, or is it someone else's opinion with which you agree?

2. Think logically. You have been reading the newsgroup for a while, and by now
you should have seen that I have been involved in plenty of legal discussions.
Does that make me a "frequency cop"? Well, you should have also noticed that I
have taken part in many technical discussions, some of which dealt with the
quality of amps -- IOW, I have provided info on how CBers can tell a good amp
from a bad amp. If I was a "frequency cop", why would I do that?

3. Verify the facts. The facts are that CBers in this newgroup talk about CB,
and the rest are trolls. They are not keyclowns, they are not AKC, they are not
freebanders or frequency cops. They are trolls. As for the voodoo-techs, they
left not because of opposition to their legal position, but because they were
publically spanked for spewing their ridiculous techno-babble.

4. Never assume. When you agree with someone's opinion without verifying the
facts and logic supporting that opinion, you are assuming that someone else has
already done so. Many times (if not most of the time) that is not the case. And
it's NEVER the case with Twistedhed's opinions.

5. Safety.






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Frank Gilliland wrote:
In , jim wrote:



Frank Gilliland wrote:

snip

Why don't you put the same question to Hypocrite Landshark, Dickhed Cranium, gw,
etc, etc? There are trolls on both sides, and I'll bet that most of them swing
both ways under different identities just to stir up trouble.


why do you propogate the nonsense by name calling.


What does it matter which name I use for someone that posts anonymously?
It doesn't.


thought you were
affiliated with a school.


Quite a few years ago....


is this what you impress upon your students if
indeed you are an instructor/teacher/mentor?


My students all knew my name, and I knew all of their names. And there were a
few things I constantly reinforced:

1. Think for yourself. In your post you stated the opinion that techs like Toll
and Eitner left because of pressure from the "frequency cops". Is that -your-
opinion, or is it someone else's opinion with which you agree?

more like they left due to the personal flame wars and general crap that
was flying around here. noticed you didn't mention amor powers. do you
recall her posts?


2. Think logically. You have been reading the newsgroup for a while, and by now
you should have seen that I have been involved in plenty of legal discussions.
Does that make me a "frequency cop"? Well, you should have also noticed that I
have taken part in many technical discussions, some of which dealt with the
quality of amps -- IOW, I have provided info on how CBers can tell a good amp
from a bad amp. If I was a "frequency cop", why would I do that?


can't argue about you posting helpful bits. its the twisty wars that
makes one wonder...

3. Verify the facts. The facts are that CBers in this newgroup talk about CB,
and the rest are trolls. They are not keyclowns, they are not AKC, they are not
freebanders or frequency cops. They are trolls. As for the voodoo-techs, they
left not because of opposition to their legal position, but because they were
publically spanked for spewing their ridiculous techno-babble.

publically spanked is a matter of conjecture here. see 1 above.


4. Never assume. When you agree with someone's opinion without verifying the
facts and logic supporting that opinion, you are assuming that someone else has
already done so. Many times (if not most of the time) that is not the case. And
it's NEVER the case with Twistedhed's opinions.

ignore him just as some people ignore the hateful homo posts.

5. Safety.

agreed






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more like they left due to the personal flame wars and general crap that
was flying around here. noticed you didn't mention amor powers. do you
recall her posts?

She was a him, or a shim rather

"Smell My ass" wrote:
"jim" wrote in message
...

more like they left due to the personal flame wars and general crap
that was flying around here. noticed you didn't mention amor powers. do
you recall her posts?

She was a him, or a shim rather

Butt yore a smelly ass. (according to your sig file)

Are you a ham operator like dogie and kevin?

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"Steveo" wrote in message
...
"Smell My ass" wrote:
"jim" wrote in message
...

more like they left due to the personal flame wars and general crap
that was flying around here. noticed you didn't mention amor powers.
do
you recall her posts?

She was a him, or a shim rather

Butt yore a smelly ass. (according to your sig file)

Are you a ham operator like dogie and kevin?

What kind is that?

"Smell My ass" wrote:
"Steveo" wrote in message
...
"Smell My ass" wrote:
"jim" wrote in message
...

more like they left due to the personal flame wars and general crap
that was flying around here. noticed you didn't mention amor
powers.
do
you recall her posts?

She was a him, or a shim rather

Butt yore a smelly ass. (according to your sig file)

Are you a ham operator like dogie and kevin?

What kind is that?

The kind that would name himself, -smell my ass-.

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In , jim wrote:



Frank Gilliland wrote:
snip
1. Think for yourself. In your post you stated the opinion that techs like Toll
and Eitner left because of pressure from the "frequency cops". Is that -your-
opinion, or is it someone else's opinion with which you agree?

more like they left due to the personal flame wars and general crap that
was flying around here. noticed you didn't mention amor powers. do you
recall her posts?

....uh, Jim, did you ever look at the name? And that person left 2-1/2 years
before my first post. Regardless, there are several people that have left
because of the crap, people from BOTH sides of the legal issue. And like I said
before, most of the crap in here comes from the trolls; that is, unless you
consider rational discussions of legal issues to be part of the 'crap'.


2. Think logically. You have been reading the newsgroup for a while, and by now
you should have seen that I have been involved in plenty of legal discussions.
Does that make me a "frequency cop"? Well, you should have also noticed that I
have taken part in many technical discussions, some of which dealt with the
quality of amps -- IOW, I have provided info on how CBers can tell a good amp
from a bad amp. If I was a "frequency cop", why would I do that?


can't argue about you posting helpful bits. its the twisty wars that
makes one wonder...

It shouldn't. If you want to solve a problem you must address the source of the
problem. In case you haven't noticed, Twisty is the focal point of most of the
crap. He has been a major source of the problems here, including the forging,
name-calling, threats, unrestrained profanity and general mayhem. Chances are
that he is also one or more of the trolls causing all the trouble, and might
even be the person posing as N8WWM under a deliberately poor disguise. Either
way, ignoring him doesn't work -- been there, done that, got the crummy T-shirt
and coffee mug.

3. Verify the facts. The facts are that CBers in this newgroup talk about CB,
and the rest are trolls. They are not keyclowns, they are not AKC, they are not
freebanders or frequency cops. They are trolls. As for the voodoo-techs, they
left not because of opposition to their legal position, but because they were
publically spanked for spewing their ridiculous techno-babble.

publically spanked is a matter of conjecture here. see 1 above.

There should be no doubt as to the reason for their absence. When their
psuedo-technical theories were contradicted with authoritative references and
simple logic, they left. One by one they were discredited, each according to
their own particular incompetence. And it's no coincidence that just as soon as
their RF-voodoo was exposed they disappeared. Most have tried to return at least
once, but were unable to support their technical mumbo-jumbo with facts, and
quickly departed once again. No, they didn't leave because of the 'crap' -- they
left because they had publically humiliated themselves with their own ignorance.


4. Never assume. When you agree with someone's opinion without verifying the
facts and logic supporting that opinion, you are assuming that someone else has
already done so. Many times (if not most of the time) that is not the case. And
it's NEVER the case with Twistedhed's opinions.

ignore him just as some people ignore the hateful homo posts.

5. Safety.

agreed






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Frank Gilliland wrote:
It shouldn't. If you want to solve a problem you must address the source
of the problem. In case you haven't noticed, Twisty is the focal point
of most of the crap. He has been a major source of the problems here,
including the forging, name-calling, threats, unrestrained profanity and
general mayhem. Chances are that he is also one or more of the trolls
causing all the trouble, and might even be the person posing as N8WWM
under a deliberately poor disguise. Either way, ignoring him doesn't
work -- been there, done that, got the crummy T-shirt and coffee mug.
_
LOL. Issues, Frank,,you have issues, and not even Jim can help you.

"Twistedhed" wrote in message
...
Frank Gilliland wrote:
It shouldn't. If you want to solve a problem you must address the source
of the problem. In case you haven't noticed, Twisty is the focal point
of most of the crap. He has been a major source of the problems here,
including the forging, name-calling, threats, unrestrained profanity and
general mayhem. Chances are that he is also one or more of the trolls
causing all the trouble, and might even be the person posing as N8WWM
under a deliberately poor disguise. Either way, ignoring him doesn't
work -- been there, done that, got the crummy T-shirt and coffee mug.
_
LOL. Issues, Frank,,you have issues, and not even Jim can help you.

I thought Jim said a pretty good
explanation. I thought I gave him a
good explanation, but alas he's still,
like a couple others, very obsessed
with this newsgroup. Mopar tried
to just have a cordial post with him
and Frank got snooty with him.
It's a shame really, he's not a
dumb person, a little confused maybe,
but not dumb.

Landshark


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