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JEP December 14th 03 11:07 AM

And just who is

?????

I have given a real email address and feel free to respond to it.


The ARRL hasn't represented the membership directly---EVER!

The ARRL has had it's own agenda (big money) for years.

The ARRL would be considered a large corp. in most sectors, operating
under a non-profit status.

The only good about the ARRL is/was QST and now I can't even find it
on the news stands.

Bye bye ARRL.

Bye bye ham radio as we know it.

JEP



Radioman wrote in message ...
JEP wrote:

I don't like ARRL because:

1) Membership price too high
2) Can't separate QST from membership
3) QST only counts as $15 of the $39 membership fee
4) Incentive licensing from the 60's
5) Ham radio is a dying hobby
6) 5wpm Extras
7) No value given for the money invested
8) No accountability of the board and Executive staff
9) Really doesn't represent the majority of hams (majority don't
belong)
10) Really no different than 'NRA', 'AARP', 'NAACP'. Take your money
and use it for their own agenda, NOT yours!

That is enough for a start.

Sorry to see '73' and Wayne Green exit publishing.
Sorry to see 'Ham Radio' exit publishing.

ex ARRL member



Don't tell us. Send it to:
Reply-to:

with your real email addy.


KØHB December 14th 03 02:48 PM


"Dwight Stewart" wrote

Several years ago (four or five), QST was available at the Barnes and
Noble bookstore in this area. But it then disappeared off the shelf and I
haven't seen it since.


At $4.99/mo ($59.88/yr) plus tax, I'm sure it wasn't a high volume business
for Barnes and Noble, since that's a 53% premium over the membership dues,
and you don't get the other benefits which comes with membership. Only an
idiot would regularly buy QST from a news stand!

73, de Hans, K0HB





KØHB December 14th 03 02:54 PM


"Dr. Daffodil Swain" wrote

Did you become a section director?

Those jobs are reserved for Lifetime Members.


There is no such animal as a 'section director'. Perhaps you meant 'Section
Manager'. There is no requirement to be a life member to be elected to that
position. Neither is there such a requirement for Division Director or
Division Vice Director (I was twice elected to that position, and I'm not a
life member.)

Doncha just hate it when facts come into play and spoil your lovely rant?

73, de Hans, K0HB








Dan/W4NTI December 14th 03 03:44 PM


"KØHB" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Dr. Daffodil Swain" wrote

Did you become a section director?

Those jobs are reserved for Lifetime Members.


There is no such animal as a 'section director'. Perhaps you meant

'Section
Manager'. There is no requirement to be a life member to be elected to

that
position. Neither is there such a requirement for Division Director or
Division Vice Director (I was twice elected to that position, and I'm not

a
life member.)

Doncha just hate it when facts come into play and spoil your lovely rant?

73, de Hans, K0HB

It continually amazes me Hans.

BTW, THanks for the chat on 20. I am playing a bit in the 10 meter
contest, CW only.

Dan/W4NTI



Dee D. Flint December 14th 03 03:56 PM


"JEP" wrote in message
om...
And just who is

?????

I have given a real email address and feel free to respond to it.


The ARRL hasn't represented the membership directly---EVER!

The ARRL has had it's own agenda (big money) for years.

The ARRL would be considered a large corp. in most sectors, operating
under a non-profit status.

The only good about the ARRL is/was QST and now I can't even find it
on the news stands.

Bye bye ARRL.

Bye bye ham radio as we know it.

JEP


It probably was no longer cost effective to sell it on newstands.

If the ARRL is making money (a no-no for a non-profit corp) then report them
to the IRS. If they are not making money, then no matter how big they are,
it is not about money since no one is making a profit.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Dwight Stewart December 14th 03 04:38 PM

"KØHB" wrote:
"Dwight Stewart" wrote

Several years ago (four or five), QST was
available at the Barnes and Noble bookstore
in this area. But it then disappeared off the
shelf and I haven't seen it since.


At $4.99/mo ($59.88/yr) plus tax, I'm sure it
wasn't a high volume business for Barnes and
Noble, since that's a 53% premium over the
membership dues, and you don't get the other
benefits which comes with membership. Only
an idiot would regularly buy QST from a news
stand!



There are circumstances that might require one to be an "idiot," Hans. In
my case, I purchased it at the news stand because ARRL never seemed able to
deliver my copy of the magazine (not fast enough to keep up with me). The
first time I joined, my address changed several times in a single year. I
joined at my home here. Two months later, I went elsewhere to prepare for
our operations in Kosovo. Several months later, I went to Italy for the
actual Kosovo conflict itself. Even though a change of address was sent with
each move, I received only one issue of the magazine that year.

The second year was pretty much the same as the first. I moved back to the
USA, moved several months later, and finally ended up back here again two
months after that. I got two issues of the magazine that year and didn't
rejoin at the end of the year (and didn't make any effort to get the
magazine for several years).

I joined ARRL again this year and have gotten each copy of the magazine so
far.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/


RHF December 14th 03 07:51 PM

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com...
"JEP" wrote in message
om...
And just who is

?????

I have given a real email address and feel free to respond to it.


The ARRL hasn't represented the membership directly---EVER!

The ARRL has had it's own agenda (big money) for years.

The ARRL would be considered a large corp. in most sectors, operating
under a non-profit status.

The only good about the ARRL is/was QST and now I can't even find it
on the news stands.

Bye bye ARRL.

Bye bye ham radio as we know it.

JEP


It probably was no longer cost effective to sell it on newstands.

If the ARRL is making money (a no-no for a non-profit corp) then report them
to the IRS. If they are not making money, then no matter how big they are,
it is not about money since no one is making a profit.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



DDF,

Profits My Ass [.]
- - - They can soon disappear through...
= = = High Priced Management and Staff Salaries ? ? ?

gc ~ RHF

..

..

JEP December 14th 03 08:00 PM


It probably was no longer cost effective to sell it on newstands.

If the ARRL is making money (a no-no for a non-profit corp) then report them
to the IRS. If they are not making money, then no matter how big they are,
it is not about money since no one is making a profit.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



Creative book keeping and Yankee lawyers keeps them out of trouble.
Are they making a profit? Hell yes. No profit, No ARRL. Can they
legally hide their profit? Well sure. With all of the books, CD's,
DVD's, tapes and magazines they sell every year you know there is a
profit. They are no different than GoodWill when it comes to making a
profit except that Goodwill actually helps people. ARRL only helps
itself!

We will probably see QST being hawked in Publishers Clearing House
before too long. Get a magazine and win a million

Brian December 14th 03 08:05 PM

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com...

It probably was no longer cost effective to sell it on newstands.

If the ARRL is making money (a no-no for a non-profit corp) then report them
to the IRS. If they are not making money, then no matter how big they are,
it is not about money since no one is making a profit.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Un-friggin-believable.

Non-profits aren't about profit. They're about salaries.

Mike Coslo December 14th 03 08:26 PM

JEP wrote:
It probably was no longer cost effective to sell it on newstands.

If the ARRL is making money (a no-no for a non-profit corp) then report them
to the IRS. If they are not making money, then no matter how big they are,
it is not about money since no one is making a profit.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE




Creative book keeping and Yankee lawyers keeps them out of trouble.


Hey! You forgot to call them liberals!


Are they making a profit? Hell yes. No profit, No ARRL. Can they
legally hide their profit? Well sure. With all of the books, CD's,
DVD's, tapes and magazines they sell every year you know there is a
profit. They are no different than GoodWill when it comes to making a
profit except that Goodwill actually helps people. ARRL only helps
itself!


Lessee, just from their website, I've looked up exam dates and
locations, Contest dates and rules, Hamfest dates and locations. I've
downloaded project and info PDF's from them, looked up callsigns and
matched names with callsigns. Looked through the swap section of the
site, and been informed and sometimes entertained by the FCC enforcement
news. Off the web, I've used their hints and kinks books, and I'd be
lost without the Handbook.

And those are just the superficial things, not counting the spectrum
work and really critical stuff such as BPL.

Yup, sure signs of an organization that only helps itself!

Good luck with this one now!

- Mike KB3EIA -


Brian December 14th 03 08:28 PM

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com...

Several of us have already listed the numerous benefits of the ARRL.


Well, there you have it. What benefits Dee must benefit all.

Again
how did you voice your dissent? Did you get actively and heavily involved?
Doesn't sound like it. If you did get involved, you did not convince the
majority of members to change to your point of view.


Must one become El Supremo Commandant to have an organization that
they belong to and pay dues to represent them? Must be so in this
case.

Instead you choose to have little to no impact on proposed changes by the
FCC.


Actually, the road the FCC took is closer to leadership of the ARS
than the road that the ARRL took.

Yes I know individuals can write letters but a decent sized lobby
has
a far greater effect.


Which is the very saddest part of the whole episode.

An organized body can much more effectively solicit
the backing of other affected groups on questions like BPL.


It is necessary for the ARRL to fight BPL - it threatens their very
existence.

Being "One voice in the maelstrom" is a waste of one's time as it will be
completely obliterated by that maelstrom.


Being in the minority doesn't necessarily make one wrong nor
necessarily make ones efforts a waste of time. Galileo

Now I do not say that everyone should be a member of ARRL. That is up to
the individual. However if you are not, then don't complain about their
policies. Don't complain when BPL makes HF useless in your area. Don't
complain when VHF/UHF frequencies get reallocated to commercial uses. Don't
complain if the government should choose to eliminate amateur radio entirely
as it has tried to do twice in the past.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



Yes, yes, Dee. Of course. Whatever you say. ARRL spam-bot.

Brian December 14th 03 08:38 PM

"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message k.net...

Correct, and in other words. If you want to change it, you have to be on
the inside.

Dan/W4NTI


Wrong, Dan. And don't go turning into a spam-bot sychophant.

Hanoi Jane tried that approach with the NRA, and none of us seem to
have our very own NVA anti-aircraft guns to sit behind.

With respect to the ARRL:

Withholding dues money changes them.

Not purchasing their products changes them.

Denouncing their policies changes them.

Voicing your concerns directly to the FCC cuts out the middleman.

Brian December 14th 03 08:41 PM

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com...
"JEP" wrote in message
om...
And just who is

?????

I have given a real email address and feel free to respond to it.


The ARRL hasn't represented the membership directly---EVER!

The ARRL has had it's own agenda (big money) for years.

The ARRL would be considered a large corp. in most sectors, operating
under a non-profit status.

The only good about the ARRL is/was QST and now I can't even find it
on the news stands.

Bye bye ARRL.

Bye bye ham radio as we know it.

JEP


It probably was no longer cost effective to sell it on newstands.


That's a ****-poor approach for an organization who'se charter says
its for publishing.

If the ARRL is making money (a no-no for a non-profit corp) then report them
to the IRS. If they are not making money, then no matter how big they are,
it is not about money since no one is making a profit.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Its about salaries, not profits. every other non-profit.

Dan/W4NTI December 14th 03 11:39 PM


"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
nk.net...
"KØHB" wrote:
"Dwight Stewart" wrote

Several years ago (four or five), QST was
available at the Barnes and Noble bookstore
in this area. But it then disappeared off the
shelf and I haven't seen it since.


At $4.99/mo ($59.88/yr) plus tax, I'm sure it
wasn't a high volume business for Barnes and
Noble, since that's a 53% premium over the
membership dues, and you don't get the other
benefits which comes with membership. Only
an idiot would regularly buy QST from a news
stand!



There are circumstances that might require one to be an "idiot," Hans.

In
my case, I purchased it at the news stand because ARRL never seemed able

to
deliver my copy of the magazine (not fast enough to keep up with me). The
first time I joined, my address changed several times in a single year. I
joined at my home here. Two months later, I went elsewhere to prepare for
our operations in Kosovo. Several months later, I went to Italy for the
actual Kosovo conflict itself. Even though a change of address was sent

with
each move, I received only one issue of the magazine that year.

The second year was pretty much the same as the first. I moved back to

the
USA, moved several months later, and finally ended up back here again two
months after that. I got two issues of the magazine that year and didn't
rejoin at the end of the year (and didn't make any effort to get the
magazine for several years).

I joined ARRL again this year and have gotten each copy of the magazine

so
far.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/


You do realize that the ARRL has the publication and distribution of QST
contracted out, don't you? You should crab to them, not the league per se.

I had similar problems when I was globe trotting, like you. But when I
finally did settle down I dropped both QST and CQ a note...and guess what?
They sent me every single issue I missed.
Amazing, hu?

Dan/W4NTI



KØHB December 15th 03 12:04 AM


"Brian" wrote


She is, more or less, an official ARRL spam-bot.
Wonder if she is an official bulletin station?


And you are, more or less, the official LHA junior-Unabasher. I want you to
be fully aware of your role in rrap, Brian. It goes like this: LHA is the
organ grinder, playing a song called "I Left My Heart in ADA, and Newington
Won't Give It Back". You are the little monkey in a bright red hat hopping
up and down and acting silly for our amusement.

With all best wishes for the recovery of your missing T5 logs,

de Hans, K0HB/4ID






Dee D. Flint December 15th 03 01:59 AM


"JEP" wrote in message
om...

It probably was no longer cost effective to sell it on newstands.

If the ARRL is making money (a no-no for a non-profit corp) then report

them
to the IRS. If they are not making money, then no matter how big they

are,
it is not about money since no one is making a profit.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



Creative book keeping and Yankee lawyers keeps them out of trouble.
Are they making a profit? Hell yes. No profit, No ARRL. Can they
legally hide their profit? Well sure. With all of the books, CD's,
DVD's, tapes and magazines they sell every year you know there is a
profit. They are no different than GoodWill when it comes to making a
profit except that Goodwill actually helps people. ARRL only helps
itself!

We will probably see QST being hawked in Publishers Clearing House
before too long. Get a magazine and win a million



If they are making a profit, then who is getting the money?? It's got to be
going somewhere. There are no stockholders receiving dividends. It doesn't
do any good just to sit on the money. And don't say salaries as that is
fully documented in the financial records and is not profit. If you believe
the salaries are too high, get on the board that makes the decisions and
reduce them.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Dee D. Flint December 15th 03 02:00 AM


"Brian" wrote in message
om...
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message

igy.com...

It probably was no longer cost effective to sell it on newstands.

If the ARRL is making money (a no-no for a non-profit corp) then report

them
to the IRS. If they are not making money, then no matter how big they

are,
it is not about money since no one is making a profit.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Un-friggin-believable.

Non-profits aren't about profit. They're about salaries.


If the salaries are too high, get on the board and get them reduced.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Brian December 15th 03 06:03 AM

Mike Coslo wrote in message t...


Won't happen, Dan. People like that have selective memory. They'll rail
about how QST doesn't have articles about what they want to see, and
conveniently forget about the important jobs ARRL does for us.

1. That only a minority of hams belong to ARRL speaks much more about
hams than it does the ARRL.


Are you saying that I'm a sucker?

2. I would challenge the ARRL haters to come up with scenario's of what
the ARS would be like today (if it even existed) if there was no ARRL.

- Mike KB3EIA -


World peace?

Brian December 15th 03 06:10 AM

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com...
"Brian" wrote in message
om...


Dee got on early supporting the status quo; hook,line and sinker. She
is a perfect mouth-piece for the ARRL, and I've heard her repeating,
word for word, the policies of this organization. She is, more or
less, an official ARRL spam-bot. Wonder if she is an official
bulletin station?


Not hardly. I disapprove of some of the policies but I do not expect it to
change when my view doesn't represent the majority view. I do not consider
differences of opinion on some policies to be reason to stop supporting
them. Also I merely state that non-members shouldn't think they can change
the policies. The ARRL policies, as with any organization, will reflect the
opinions of the majority of members. Someone with a minority opinion in any
organization will have to work very hard to get the majority to adopt it.
Organizations have no obligation to reflect the opinion of non-members.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Oh, BS, Dee. You just got through saying that if you don't belong, if
you don't rise to the top of the food chain, blah blah, horse crap,
blah blah.

The ARRL wants to be the -ONE- voice for the ARS. I suggest that they
start with forward thinking leadership representing all, not just
their CW-centric membership. Or get out of the way.

Gray Shockley December 15th 03 06:22 AM

On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 0:03:17 -0600, Brian wrote
(in message ) :

Mike Coslo wrote in message
t...


Won't happen, Dan. People like that have selective memory. They'll rail
about how QST doesn't have articles about what they want to see, and
conveniently forget about the important jobs ARRL does for us.

1. That only a minority of hams belong to ARRL speaks much more about
hams than it does the ARRL.


Are you saying that I'm a sucker?

2. I would challenge the ARRL haters to come up with scenario's of what
the ARS would be like today (if it even existed) if there was no ARRL.

- Mike KB3EIA -


World peace?



Are you also wondering what the ARRL has to do with swling?

Perhaps it is time to add "ARRL" to "syphilis"
and "Hal Turner" in my "social disease" killfool.



Gray Shockley
--------------------------
Entropy Maintenance Technician
Tao Chemical Company
--------------------------

http://www.compcomm.com/
Vicksburg, Mississippi US





Brian December 15th 03 06:28 AM

"KØHB" wrote in message ink.net...
"Brian" wrote


She is, more or less, an official ARRL spam-bot.
Wonder if she is an official bulletin station?


And you are, more or less, the official LHA junior-Unabasher. I want you to
be fully aware of your role in rrap, Brian. It goes like this: LHA is the
organ grinder, playing a song called "I Left My Heart in ADA, and Newington
Won't Give It Back". You are the little monkey in a bright red hat hopping
up and down and acting silly for our amusement.

With all best wishes for the recovery of your missing T5 logs,

de Hans, K0HB/4ID


Brakejob/4ID, the only problem with your little organ grinder/monkey
scenario is that is didn't play out here.

You smell like you've been ****ed on, so perhaps you've got some other
monkey scenario going on there. In any case, its none of my biddness
what you do in the privacy of your home so please stop trying to
entertain us with it here.

With all kind wished for a speedy recovery, my T5 logs are intact.
You're still not in them, so don't solicit for an unearned card.

Brian

Brian December 15th 03 06:41 AM

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com...
"Brian" wrote in message
om...
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message

igy.com...

It probably was no longer cost effective to sell it on newstands.

If the ARRL is making money (a no-no for a non-profit corp) then report

them
to the IRS. If they are not making money, then no matter how big they

are,
it is not about money since no one is making a profit.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Un-friggin-believable.

Non-profits aren't about profit. They're about salaries.


If the salaries are too high, get on the board and get them reduced.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Who said they were too high?

They have to balance their books somehow (to avoid the appearance of
profit), and the salary is the most convenient place to dump the
excess.

It's about your ignorance of what a non-profit really is.

Dwight Stewart December 15th 03 09:00 AM


"Dan/W4NTI" wrote:

You do realize that the ARRL has the
publication and distribution of QST
contracted out, don't you? You should
crab to them, not the league per se.



Of course. I wasn't complaining about not getting the magazine - only
explaining why I purchased the magazine at a book store.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/


Kim W5TIT December 15th 03 10:22 AM

"Brian" wrote in message
om...
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message

igy.com...
"Brian" wrote in message
om...
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message

igy.com...

It probably was no longer cost effective to sell it on newstands.

If the ARRL is making money (a no-no for a non-profit corp) then

report
them
to the IRS. If they are not making money, then no matter how big

they
are,
it is not about money since no one is making a profit.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Un-friggin-believable.

Non-profits aren't about profit. They're about salaries.


If the salaries are too high, get on the board and get them reduced.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Who said they were too high?

They have to balance their books somehow (to avoid the appearance of
profit), and the salary is the most convenient place to dump the
excess.

It's about your ignorance of what a non-profit really is.


Oh yeah...non-profit is the best place to be...And, the greates exploiter of
human emotion, etc. With little effort, the dollars churn in--most people
don't file for the donation they are entitled to (only large donations whose
contributors are also playing the non-profit game).

That's why I'd like to see the tax structure change to some kind of
percentage across the board. The *only* entity that would not have to pay
any would be a church--and that only for the church building, its parking
lot, and its parish. If they've got a private school, nursing home, etc.,
they pay. And, no deductions for *anyone* or *anything* across the board.
Colgate, Mr. Bates, and me all pay the same percentage of tax out of our
income; that's it--end of game.

Kim W5TIT

Kim W5TIT



Dee D. Flint December 15th 03 11:16 PM


"Brian" wrote in message
om...
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message

igy.com...
"Brian" wrote in message
om...


Dee got on early supporting the status quo; hook,line and sinker. She
is a perfect mouth-piece for the ARRL, and I've heard her repeating,
word for word, the policies of this organization. She is, more or
less, an official ARRL spam-bot. Wonder if she is an official
bulletin station?


Not hardly. I disapprove of some of the policies but I do not expect it

to
change when my view doesn't represent the majority view. I do not

consider
differences of opinion on some policies to be reason to stop supporting
them. Also I merely state that non-members shouldn't think they can

change
the policies. The ARRL policies, as with any organization, will reflect

the
opinions of the majority of members. Someone with a minority opinion in

any
organization will have to work very hard to get the majority to adopt

it.
Organizations have no obligation to reflect the opinion of non-members.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Oh, BS, Dee. You just got through saying that if you don't belong, if
you don't rise to the top of the food chain, blah blah, horse crap,
blah blah.

The ARRL wants to be the -ONE- voice for the ARS. I suggest that they
start with forward thinking leadership representing all, not just
their CW-centric membership. Or get out of the way.


There you show how out of date you are. In recent years, the ARRL has
shifted to a neutral stand on CW. Their efforts have indeed been centered
on more important issues. What policies do you think the ARRL should be
focusing on? They have to pick and choose. And again they have to pick the
issues that the majority of their members want not the minority and not
non-members. If they don't, they'll be voted out of office and someone will
be put in who will do it that way.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Dee D. Flint December 15th 03 11:19 PM


"Brian" wrote in message
om...
Were you in the majority?? If not then why should everyone else change

to
suit you.


The FCC spoke. And what they spoke was not ARRL majority opinion.

What do you make of that, Dee?


Very simple. The ARRL only has the power to lobby. They cannot force the
FCC to go along with the ARRL opinion.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Dee D. Flint December 15th 03 11:20 PM


"Brian" wrote in message
om...
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message

igy.com...
"Brian" wrote in message
om...
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message

igy.com...

It probably was no longer cost effective to sell it on newstands.

If the ARRL is making money (a no-no for a non-profit corp) then

report
them
to the IRS. If they are not making money, then no matter how big

they
are,
it is not about money since no one is making a profit.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Un-friggin-believable.

Non-profits aren't about profit. They're about salaries.


If the salaries are too high, get on the board and get them reduced.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Who said they were too high?

They have to balance their books somehow (to avoid the appearance of
profit), and the salary is the most convenient place to dump the
excess.

It's about your ignorance of what a non-profit really is.


Ok where is the money going?? You said they dump it into salaries thus
implying that said salaries are artificially inflated and then indicate that
you don't think the salaries are too high. Which is it? Facts please, not
emotional innuendo.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Mike Coslo December 16th 03 03:21 AM

Brian wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote in message t...


Won't happen, Dan. People like that have selective memory. They'll rail
about how QST doesn't have articles about what they want to see, and
conveniently forget about the important jobs ARRL does for us.

1. That only a minority of hams belong to ARRL speaks much more about
hams than it does the ARRL.



Are you saying that I'm a sucker?


Don't think so. I'm a member too.


2. I would challenge the ARRL haters to come up with scenario's of what
the ARS would be like today (if it even existed) if there was no ARRL.

- Mike KB3EIA -



World peace?


I prefer my peas boiled with butter, though I might like to try whirled
peas some time.

- Mike KB3EIA


Steveo December 16th 03 03:25 AM

Mike Coslo wrote:
I prefer my peas boiled with butter, though I might like to try whirled

peas some time.

- Mike KB3EIA

Finally something I can relate to in rec.radio.cb . Homegrown
peas and butter. Mmmmm!

Thanks for sharing this thread with us CBer's.

sideband December 16th 03 04:30 AM

I eat my peas with honey,
I've done it all my life.
It makes the peas taste funny,
But it keeps them on my knife.

-SSB

Mike Coslo wrote:
Brian wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote in message
t...


Won't happen, Dan. People like that have selective memory.
They'll rail about how QST doesn't have articles about what they want
to see, and conveniently forget about the important jobs ARRL does
for us.

1. That only a minority of hams belong to ARRL speaks much more
about hams than it does the ARRL.




Are you saying that I'm a sucker?



Don't think so. I'm a member too.



2. I would challenge the ARRL haters to come up with scenario's
of what the ARS would be like today (if it even existed) if there was
no ARRL.

- Mike KB3EIA -




World peace?



I prefer my peas boiled with butter, though I might like to try whirled
peas some time.

- Mike KB3EIA



Mike Coslo December 16th 03 04:57 AM

sideband wrote:

I eat my peas with honey,
I've done it all my life.
It makes the peas taste funny,
But it keeps them on my knife.

-SSB


I like it!!

- mike KB3EIA -


Steveo December 16th 03 04:59 AM

sideband wrote:
I eat my peas with honey,
I've done it all my life.
It makes the peas taste funny,
But it keeps them on my knife.

-SSB

Yum Yum, I like it.

Brian December 16th 03 11:48 AM

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com...

And what efforts did you make to convert the majority of members to your
point of view?? While the items you list are worthy activities, they don't
do much to change policy.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Dee, what ARRL office(s) do you hold in your effort to stem the tide
of changes within the ARS? If your answer is "none," I suggest you
start campaigning yesterday.

Twistedhed December 16th 03 03:53 PM

From: (sideband)
I eat my peas with honey,
I've done it all my life.
It makes the peas taste funny,
But it keeps them on my knife.
-SSB
_
Not bad,,,but I prefer

peas peas peas peas eating
Goober Peas
everythings delicious
eating Goober peas


If it doesn't ring a bell, you're too young. Came out about the same
time as "The Bear Went over the Mountain"


Dee D. Flint December 16th 03 11:18 PM


"Brian" wrote in message
om...
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message

igy.com...

And what efforts did you make to convert the majority of members to your
point of view?? While the items you list are worthy activities, they

don't
do much to change policy.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Dee, what ARRL office(s) do you hold in your effort to stem the tide
of changes within the ARS? If your answer is "none," I suggest you
start campaigning yesterday.


When and if I wish to change ARRL policy, I'll dive into the political
arena. I'm not the one complaining about ARRL policies.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


AntiKeyclown December 16th 03 11:21 PM

(Twistedhed) wrote in message ...
From:
(sideband)
I eat my peas with honey,
I've done it all my life.
It makes the peas taste funny,
But it keeps them on my knife.
-SSB
_
Not bad,,,but I prefer

penis penis penis penis eating
keyclown Penis
that goo is delicious
eating keyclown penis

If it doesn't ring a bell, you're too young, like I was when first pimped.
Came out about the same
time as "The Bear Went over the Mountain to get some head from ****hed"


Who can take a hard dick
Suck out all the goo
Stuff his nose up a butt crack
And rim it real good too

Twistedhed

Oh Twistedhed does

Twistedhed does cuz he mixes jizz with spit
And thinks it tastes real good

Who can bend it over
And beg for throbbing dick
And when he's finished gettin' pumped
Turn around and lick a prick

Twistedhed

Oh Twistedhed does

Twistedhed does cuz he mixes jizz with spit
And thinks it tastes real good

Twistedhed thinks
Faggot keyclown twinks
Are satisfiyng and delicious
Talk about his childhood wishes
He really blows those faggot bitches

Who can hit a truckstop
Announce that he'll be reamed
Collect ten bucks a trucker
And then suck up all the cream

Twistedhed

Twistedhed does

Twistedhed does cuz he mixes jizz with spit
And thinks it tastes real good


Twistedhed thinks
Faggot keyclown twinks
Are satisfiyng and delicious
Talk about his childhood wishes
He really blows those faggot bitches

Sorry Sammy...we could not resist...




Mc Campbell, David P, KE4BKF (Extra)
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Previous license class: General
Licensee ID: L00206848
FRN: 0003137783
Issue Date: May 18, 1993
Expire Date: May 18, 2003
Date of last Change: Oct 15, 2001 (License Modified)

Crisco Kathy December 17th 03 03:16 AM

(AntiKeyclown) wrote in message
I AM CRISCO KATHY,TAX SEASON IS ALMOST UPON US. I CAN GET YOU THE BEST
RETURN. IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT ILLEGAL.BUT WHAT THE HECK,THE
GOVERMENT TAKES TO MUCH OF OUR MONEY. BE SURE AND BRING A BIG CAN OF
CRISCO WITH YOU. I WORK BEST ON MY KNEES WHILE SOMEONE SLATHERS MY FAT
ASS WITH CRISCO. BRING A BIG CAN, I HAVE A VERY LARGE ASS.WHY DO YOU
KEEP ME CALLING ****HED?I KNOW MY **** WOULD FIT OVER YOUR HEAD,BUT
QUIT CALLING ME THAT.

Ryan, KC8PMX December 25th 03 04:45 PM

Not in the Mid-Michigan area.....can't find any radio related magazine
anymore! (except for something like Popular Electronics)

Heard some vicious rumor about the anti-radio relay league pulling magazines
from "shelf sales" recently but I cannot confirm this.


Ryan KC8PMX
--
"The Pope has issued a proclamation on Michael Jackson. If he hears any
more allegations about little boys, the Pope says he'll have no choice but
to make him a priest."


"JJ" wrote in message
...
JEP wrote:


2) Can't separate QST from membership


Check your local newstand or magazine rack in stores, many carry QST.
You can purchase it without membership, or check you local library, they
may carry it and you can read it for free.




Ryan, KC8PMX December 25th 03 04:59 PM

That would be true if they were selling only ONE copy of it, but when I
COULD find a copy of it locally, due to the fact that it almost ALWAYS sold
out each month, I inquired as to how many copies they got at the closest
store. They said 15 per issue.

So your math would be in slight error. Multiply that number by 15 and you
get $718.56. Not bad for only one magazine, and when you consider they
usually have at least 100 or more magazines on their shelves.


Ryan KC8PMX
--
"The Pope has issued a proclamation on Michael Jackson. If he hears any
more allegations about little boys, the Pope says he'll have no choice but
to make him a priest."



At $4.99/mo ($59.88/yr) plus tax, I'm sure it wasn't a high volume

business
for Barnes and Noble, since that's a 53% premium over the membership dues,
and you don't get the other benefits which comes with membership. Only an
idiot would regularly buy QST from a news stand!

73, de Hans, K0HB







Ryan, KC8PMX December 25th 03 05:04 PM


You do realize that the ARRL has the publication and distribution of QST
contracted out, don't you? You should crab to them, not the league per

se.

Cop out excuse. A person's beef would be with the ARRL, not the contracted
agency, and it would be the ARRL's responsibility to deal with the
contracted agency.


Ryan KC8PMX
--
"The Pope has issued a proclamation on Michael Jackson. If he hears any
more allegations about little boys, the Pope says he'll have no choice but
to make him a priest."





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