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Moving it to the south is gonna do NOTHING more than change the location of
the headquarters..... "Ragchewer" wrote in message ... Why do I not like the ARRL? I will answer that with another question. Would you trust a gang of Yankee carpetbaggers, the same bunch who stole from the southerners at the end of the War Between The States? You would? Good! Sign up for life membership with the rest of the NewingtonYankee gang. As for me, the league can go f..k itself, since that is what it has been doing to the rest of us for decades. RC |
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Check your local newstand or magazine rack in stores, many carry QST.
You can purchase it without membership, or check you local library, they may carry it and you can read it for free. Popular Communications (Never met a radio they didn't like) CQ QST Monitoring Times These should be easily found at any decent newstand. Don't you have any bookstores there?? Borders? BDalton? BDK Better check your local book seller your self. Barnes & Noble and Books a Million around here and no QST. NO QST anywhere. CQ always did suck. Pop Comm--ditto--SUCKS. Monitoring Times is kinda OK. 73 & Ham Radio are gone. Guess Mother Earth News it is ;-( |
On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 4:25:03 -0600, JEP wrote
(in message ) : Check your local newstand or magazine rack in stores, many carry QST. You can purchase it without membership, or check you local library, they may carry it and you can read it for free. Popular Communications (Never met a radio they didn't like) CQ QST Monitoring Times These should be easily found at any decent newstand. Don't you have any bookstores there?? Borders? BDalton? BDK Better check your local book seller your self. Barnes & Noble and Books a Million around here and no QST. NO QST anywhere. CQ always did suck. Pop Comm--ditto--SUCKS. Monitoring Times is kinda OK. 73 & Ham Radio are gone. Guess Mother Earth News it is ;-( If I were interested in ham radio, I'd have a ham radio license. But I'm a SWL and so I could care less about QST, CQ, 73 and Ham Radio. It's "interesting" to see so many x-posts to r.r.s about ham radio. About 45 years ago I used ta listen to hams and decided that I didn't want to be one nor continue listening to them. Most of my closest friends are hams but they've given up on "converting" me (even when I help them with tech "stuff"). The great majority of hams are nice people and they sure do justify more than their hobby when there's an emergency. But why they think that SWLer's are interested in /their/ hobby still puzzles me. There are times when there are mutual interests. When a ham goes feral and starts broadcasting as a pirate and a felon, this can connect both hobbies and such as that makes me not want to just automatically killfool all the ham newsgroups. But look at this SUBJ: "Why you don't like the ARRL". And - of the four newsgroups - two are for SWLers and CBers. May I ask for as little more care when deciding to what many newsgroups one posts to? Thanks, Gray Shockley ----------------------- DX-392 DX-398 RX-320 DX-399 CCradio w/RS Loop Torus Tuner (3-13 MHz) Select-A-Tenna ----------------------- Vicksburg, MS US |
"Gray Shockley" wrote:
And - of the four newsgroups - two are for SWLers and CBers. May I ask for as little more care when deciding to what many newsgroups one posts to? Sadly, we don't always have much control over where messages are cross-posted, Gray. Since some Hams are CB'ers and others SWL's, the discussion itself may have actually started in one of those non-ham newsgroups. In other cases, it is trolls (in any one of the newsgroups) trying to belittle Ham radio and it's operators (posted to a number of newsgroups in an effort to get the widest possible audience for that). In still other cases, the discussion started in a ham radio newsgroup, with other newsgroups added by participants who mainly frequent those other newsgroups. Whatever the case, you're certainly not alone - we get our share of messages relating to other topics posted in the Ham radio newsgroups as well. Dwight Stewart (W5NET) http://www.qsl.net/w5net/ |
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You may not be aware but HAMS operate on SHORTWAVE, so do CB
operators. Doesn't matter HF, VHF, UHF. Still shortwave. Gray Shockley wrote in message s.com... On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 4:25:03 -0600, JEP wrote (in message ) : Check your local newstand or magazine rack in stores, many carry QST. You can purchase it without membership, or check you local library, they may carry it and you can read it for free. Popular Communications (Never met a radio they didn't like) CQ QST Monitoring Times These should be easily found at any decent newstand. Don't you have any bookstores there?? Borders? BDalton? BDK Better check your local book seller your self. Barnes & Noble and Books a Million around here and no QST. NO QST anywhere. CQ always did suck. Pop Comm--ditto--SUCKS. Monitoring Times is kinda OK. 73 & Ham Radio are gone. Guess Mother Earth News it is ;-( If I were interested in ham radio, I'd have a ham radio license. But I'm a SWL and so I could care less about QST, CQ, 73 and Ham Radio. It's "interesting" to see so many x-posts to r.r.s about ham radio. About 45 years ago I used ta listen to hams and decided that I didn't want to be one nor continue listening to them. Most of my closest friends are hams but they've given up on "converting" me (even when I help them with tech "stuff"). The great majority of hams are nice people and they sure do justify more than their hobby when there's an emergency. But why they think that SWLer's are interested in /their/ hobby still puzzles me. There are times when there are mutual interests. When a ham goes feral and starts broadcasting as a pirate and a felon, this can connect both hobbies and such as that makes me not want to just automatically killfool all the ham newsgroups. But look at this SUBJ: "Why you don't like the ARRL". And - of the four newsgroups - two are for SWLers and CBers. May I ask for as little more care when deciding to what many newsgroups one posts to? Thanks, Gray Shockley ----------------------- DX-392 DX-398 RX-320 DX-399 CCradio w/RS Loop Torus Tuner (3-13 MHz) Select-A-Tenna ----------------------- Vicksburg, MS US |
Gray Shockley wrote:
The great majority of hams are nice people and they sure do justify more than their hobby when there's an emergency. But why they think that SWLer's are interested in /their/ hobby still puzzles me. And then he includes this. Gray Shockley ----------------------- DX-392 DX-398 RX-320 DX-399 CCradio w/RS Loop Torus Tuner (3-13 MHz) Select-A-Tenna ----------------------- Vicksburg, MS US Why you think hams are interested in what radios and antennas you use to SWL with is beyond me. |
JJ,
"Why you think hams are interested in what radios and antennas you use to SWL with is beyond me." Since this was Cross Posted to several NewsGroups: * rec.radio.amateur.policy, [ Amateur - HAM ] * rec.radio.amateur.misc, [ Amateur - HAM ] * rec.radio.shortwave, [ S H O R T W A V E ] * rec.radio.cb [ C B ] The Devil Is In The Details... So "GS" is simply communicating his 'status' as a SWL. The Question Every Amateur Must Ask Themselves is . . . Is Any Body ? ? ? L I S T E N I N G ? ? ? YES - But they may be a lowly SWL and You will Never Know; Unless the SWL sends the HAM a QCL Request and the HAM Replys in Kind. ? How many Amateurs Actively Seek QCL Reports form SWLs ? ? How many Amateurs 'send out' "QCL Cards" to the SWLs ? Exus Laxus Good Buddy ~ RHF Breaking-On-the-Low-Side - Can I Get a Radio Check ? QC? QC? BS! .. .. = = = JJ = = = wrote in message ... Gray Shockley wrote: The great majority of hams are nice people and they sure do justify more than their hobby when there's an emergency. But why they think that SWLer's are interested in /their/ hobby still puzzles me. And then he includes this. Gray Shockley ----------------------- DX-392 DX-398 RX-320 DX-399 CCradio w/RS Loop Torus Tuner (3-13 MHz) Select-A-Tenna ----------------------- Vicksburg, MS US Why you think hams are interested in what radios and antennas you use to SWL with is beyond me. |
In article ,
says... BDK Well, Barnes and Noble in upper Michigan does NOT carry it any more as B Dalton does not either. I'm now in central Florida and B & N and Books a Million NO GO. QST is not available everywhere and you might find it's not available in the Toledo area anymore. BDK wrote in message ... In article , says... Check your local newstand or magazine rack in stores, many carry QST. You can purchase it without membership, or check you local library, they may carry it and you can read it for free. Popular Communications (Never met a radio they didn't like) CQ QST Monitoring Times These should be easily found at any decent newstand. Don't you have any bookstores there?? Borders? BDalton? BDK Better check your local book seller your self. Barnes & Noble and Books a Million around here and no QST. NO QST anywhere. CQ always did suck. Pop Comm--ditto--SUCKS. Monitoring Times is kinda OK. 73 & Ham Radio are gone. Guess Mother Earth News it is ;-( Where are you anyway?? You can get MT on line. CQ and POPComm did always suck. 73, at least Wayne's editorial, was pretty weird. You can get QST all over the place around the Toledo/Detroit area. All the bookstores have it, a couple of drugstores have it, and I think at least one of the Meijer's has it too. BDK Hmm, well I saw it at one place last week, along with MT, CQ, and the scanner one, I can't think of the name. Leo's bookstore has them all, they used to have the British SW Magazine and Practical Wireless too, but not lately. I haven't been to B Dalton in a long time, but Barnes and Nobles had it a couple of months ago. I guess you will have to subscribe, it's cheaper than buying it anyway. BDK |
"BDK" wrote in message ... In article , says... Hmm, well I saw it at one place last week, along with MT, CQ, and the scanner one, I can't think of the name. Leo's bookstore has them all, they used to have the British SW Magazine and Practical Wireless too, but not lately. I haven't been to B Dalton in a long time, but Barnes and Nobles had it a couple of months ago. I guess you will have to subscribe, it's cheaper than buying it anyway. BDK Technically you don't "subscribe" to QST. You join the ARRL and receive the magazine as a result of your membership. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
RHF wrote:
The Devil Is In The Details... So "GS" is simply communicating his 'status' as a SWL. All it conveys is he owns two radios and some other stuff, it conveys nothing about his 'status' as an SWL. Just a brag list. Maybe I should list all my ham equipment with my postings, like anyone would care. |
JJ wrote in message ...
Gray Shockley wrote: The great majority of hams are nice people and they sure do justify more than their hobby when there's an emergency. But why they think that SWLer's are interested in /their/ hobby still puzzles me. And then he includes this. Gray Shockley ----------------------- DX-392 DX-398 RX-320 DX-399 CCradio w/RS Loop Torus Tuner (3-13 MHz) Select-A-Tenna ----------------------- Vicksburg, MS US hey john how are things in colorado springs??? Why you think hams are interested in what radios and antennas you use to SWL with is beyond me. |
"JEP" wrote in message om... Just my point. I don't want to belong to ARRL just as I don't care to belong to AARP, NRA, AAA, Skinheads, etc. I just want to read their magazine when it has something that interests me. I wouldn't buy it every month as most of the time it has useless drivel about some clowntest or whether someone died or some such crap. ARRL and QST have a short time left as the active Ham population lessens. Well then you can't expect the magazine to be sold at outlets when you only buy it once in a while. They've got to recoup the costs of printing and distributing and the "once in a while" buyer just doesn't provide that. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"JEP" wrote in message om... Just my point. I don't want to belong to ARRL just as I don't care to belong to AARP, NRA, AAA, Skinheads, etc. Can you "just buy" the magazines of AARP, NRA, AAA, etc. without joining? I am always amazed at people that want the "benefits" of an organization's efforts, in this case the publication, but don't want to support the organization by joining. I see the same thing at times in the antique car hobby. People that bitch about the club rules at a car show, or otherwise want technical help from club officials but won't part with the few bucks it takes to join. I just want to read their magazine when it has something that interests me. I wouldn't buy it every month as most of the time it has useless drivel about some clowntest or whether someone died or some such crap. ARRL and QST have a short time left as the active Ham population lessens. Is it lessening? News to me. If they took a real survey as to how many real active ham there are they would find the number far less than they think. I'm not talking about members, I'm talking about HAMS that really use a radio to transmit a signal. Doesnt matter what band. How many transmit a signal at least once a week? Most don't. Please provide your survey data. Look at your local HAM clubs, talk to the members(if you can wake them up). Most show up and act disgusted with the club, Ham radio, life in general. New folks are never there. Ya I know about your Skywarn in Flint, MI. Great service! Could be run on CB, NEXTEL, GMRS. Could be but isn't...there in lies the difference. Cheers, Bill K2UNK |
I'm talking about HAMS that really use a radio to transmit a signal.
Doesnt matter what band. How many transmit a signal at least once a week? Most don't. If that HAM is active on CB, does that count? It's a radio signal. |
JEP wrote:
Just my point. I don't want to belong to ARRL just as I don't care to belong to AARP, NRA, AAA, Skinheads, etc. I just want to read their magazine when it has something that interests me. I wouldn't buy it every month as most of the time it has useless drivel about some clowntest or whether someone died or some such crap. Then go to your library and read it, assuming you know what a library is. |
gw wrote:
hey john how are things in colorado springs??? ??? |
Only if you are pre 1960 and still consider 11 meters as a ham band.
Radioman wrote in message ... I'm talking about HAMS that really use a radio to transmit a signal. Doesnt matter what band. How many transmit a signal at least once a week? Most don't. If that HAM is active on CB, does that count? It's a radio signal. |
Thats why I say good riddance to ARRL and QST.
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com... "JEP" wrote in message om... Just my point. I don't want to belong to ARRL just as I don't care to belong to AARP, NRA, AAA, Skinheads, etc. I just want to read their magazine when it has something that interests me. I wouldn't buy it every month as most of the time it has useless drivel about some clowntest or whether someone died or some such crap. ARRL and QST have a short time left as the active Ham population lessens. Well then you can't expect the magazine to be sold at outlets when you only buy it once in a while. They've got to recoup the costs of printing and distributing and the "once in a while" buyer just doesn't provide that. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
Check the figures yourself then check how many are really active. Yes
you can but NRA and AARP rags on the stand. AAA no. I quoted no data, I made an observation. Get you head out the sand and look around. See all of your old buddies just hanging around the club meeting doing nothing? is field day as well attended as it was in the 60's? Are new folks welcomed? Is help provided? If so then consider yourself lucky. "Bill Sohl" wrote in message hlink.net... "JEP" wrote in message om... Just my point. I don't want to belong to ARRL just as I don't care to belong to AARP, NRA, AAA, Skinheads, etc. Can you "just buy" the magazines of AARP, NRA, AAA, etc. without joining? I am always amazed at people that want the "benefits" of an organization's efforts, in this case the publication, but don't want to support the organization by joining. I see the same thing at times in the antique car hobby. People that bitch about the club rules at a car show, or otherwise want technical help from club officials but won't part with the few bucks it takes to join. I just want to read their magazine when it has something that interests me. I wouldn't buy it every month as most of the time it has useless drivel about some clowntest or whether someone died or some such crap. ARRL and QST have a short time left as the active Ham population lessens. Is it lessening? News to me. If they took a real survey as to how many real active ham there are they would find the number far less than they think. I'm not talking about members, I'm talking about HAMS that really use a radio to transmit a signal. Doesnt matter what band. How many transmit a signal at least once a week? Most don't. Please provide your survey data. Look at your local HAM clubs, talk to the members(if you can wake them up). Most show up and act disgusted with the club, Ham radio, life in general. New folks are never there. Ya I know about your Skywarn in Flint, MI. Great service! Could be run on CB, NEXTEL, GMRS. Could be but isn't...there in lies the difference. Cheers, Bill K2UNK |
JEP wrote:
Thats why I say good riddance to ARRL and QST. That'll show 'em... Dave K8MN |
JEP wrote:
Check the figures yourself then check how many are really active. Yes you can but NRA and AARP rags on the stand. AAA no. I quoted no data, I made an observation. Get you head out the sand and look around. See all of your old buddies just hanging around the club meeting doing nothing? Yep, that's the same thing they were doing twenty or thirty years ago. They show up though. is field day as well attended as it was in the 60's? Yep. Are new folks welcomed? Yep. Is help provided? Yep. If so then consider yourself lucky. I don't know about lucky. Fortunate, maybe, that my experience over forty years in amateur radio hasn't been the unpleasant one you've obviously been forced to endure. Dave K8MN |
"Dave Heil" wrote in message ... JEP wrote: Thats why I say good riddance to ARRL and QST. That'll show 'em... Dave K8MN I bet it will Dave....maybe they should cut off their noses also, eh? Dan/W4NTI |
Good points....now allow me to add some from the other side.
No, lets make it just one. Know many new guys that DONT KNOW IT ALL? Dan/W4NTI "JEP" wrote in message om... Check the figures yourself then check how many are really active. Yes you can but NRA and AARP rags on the stand. AAA no. I quoted no data, I made an observation. Get you head out the sand and look around. See all of your old buddies just hanging around the club meeting doing nothing? is field day as well attended as it was in the 60's? Are new folks welcomed? Is help provided? If so then consider yourself lucky. "Bill Sohl" wrote in message hlink.net... "JEP" wrote in message om... Just my point. I don't want to belong to ARRL just as I don't care to belong to AARP, NRA, AAA, Skinheads, etc. Can you "just buy" the magazines of AARP, NRA, AAA, etc. without joining? I am always amazed at people that want the "benefits" of an organization's efforts, in this case the publication, but don't want to support the organization by joining. I see the same thing at times in the antique car hobby. People that bitch about the club rules at a car show, or otherwise want technical help from club officials but won't part with the few bucks it takes to join. I just want to read their magazine when it has something that interests me. I wouldn't buy it every month as most of the time it has useless drivel about some clowntest or whether someone died or some such crap. ARRL and QST have a short time left as the active Ham population lessens. Is it lessening? News to me. If they took a real survey as to how many real active ham there are they would find the number far less than they think. I'm not talking about members, I'm talking about HAMS that really use a radio to transmit a signal. Doesnt matter what band. How many transmit a signal at least once a week? Most don't. Please provide your survey data. Look at your local HAM clubs, talk to the members(if you can wake them up). Most show up and act disgusted with the club, Ham radio, life in general. New folks are never there. Ya I know about your Skywarn in Flint, MI. Great service! Could be run on CB, NEXTEL, GMRS. Could be but isn't...there in lies the difference. Cheers, Bill K2UNK |
"JEP" wrote in message om... Thats why I say good riddance to ARRL and QST. "Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com... "JEP" wrote in message om... Just my point. I don't want to belong to ARRL just as I don't care to belong to AARP, NRA, AAA, Skinheads, etc. I just want to read their magazine when it has something that interests me. I wouldn't buy it every month as most of the time it has useless drivel about some clowntest or whether someone died or some such crap. ARRL and QST have a short time left as the active Ham population lessens. Well then you can't expect the magazine to be sold at outlets when you only buy it once in a while. They've got to recoup the costs of printing and distributing and the "once in a while" buyer just doesn't provide that. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Gee ... I've declined the AARP (for now at least - they started sending me membership solicitations on my 50th birthday - maybe some day I'll see a benefit) The NRA would be of interest if I was still a hunter, but alas, the XYL is a biologist and state-licensed wildlife rehabilitator, so for the sake of marital harmony, I've given up that hobby. (I have so many other things going on, I don't know when I'd have the time for it anyway ...) The AAA has never appealed to me ... I get good towing coverage for much less through my car insurance and my new Ford Explorer also comes with roadside assistance. Skinheads ... well 'nuff said, I guess. However, WRT the ARRL - as much as I've had some policy differences with them over the years, they DO do a LOT of good things for ham radio, and their member services and publications are also valuable. All together, I made the value judgment to support the ARRL by maintaining membership for the past 25+ years (I should have become a life member years ago - I'd have really saved money over the years - but I resisted because of my policy differences with the ARRL leadership in a couple of areas.) However, with BPL, CC&Rs (don't affect me, but affect a lot of hams), and the good work that the ARRL/IARU did at the WRC on 40m expansion, I finally decided to become a life member and to work my policy differences from the inside as well as from the outside. If I live an average life span from now, I'll just about break even on the $975.00 life membership. I also sent them $100.00 earmarked to support Ed Hare's work against the BPL threat. I think that ARRL membership (with QST included) is a good value at the current dues rates and find it hard to understand how anyone who's REALLY interested in ham radio and its future could justify NOT joining and supporting the good things that the ARRL does - you don't have to agree with EVERYTHING they do or every position they take (I don't ...), but on balance they do much more right than wrong, so I support them for that and joust with them on the things I disagree with. -- Carl R. Stevenson - wk3c Grid Square FN20fm http://home.ptd.net/~wk3c ------------------------------------------------------ NCI-1052 Executive Director, No Code International Fellow, The Radio Club of America Senior Member, IEEE Member, IEEE Standards Association Chair, IEEE 802.18 Radio Regulatory Technical Advisory Group Chair, Wi-Fi Alliance Regulatory Committee Co-Chair, Wi-Fi Alliance Legislative Committee Member, QCWA (31424) Life Member, ARRL Member, TAPR ------------------------------------------------------ Join No Code International! Hams for the 21st Century. Help assure the survival and prosperity of ham radio. http://www.nocode.org I can't understand how |
JEP wrote:
Look at your local HAM clubs, talk to the members(if you can wake them up). Most show up and act disgusted with the club, Ham radio, life in general. New folks are never there. From reading your posts, I think you would fit right in with a club like that, JEP. - Mike KB3EIA - |
JEP wrote:
Check the figures yourself then check how many are really active. Yes you can but NRA and AARP rags on the stand. AAA no. I quoted no data, I made an observation. Get you head out the sand and look around. See all of your old buddies just hanging around the club meeting doing nothing? Nope. is field day as well attended as it was in the 60's? Better. I just posted some pix on our website, from FD in 1968. My guess is we have about three times the number as we did then. Are new folks welcomed? Yup. During the day, I do no operating at all, just control op the GOTA station and talk to new people when any show up. And we have new people show up. Is help provided? Of course If so then consider yourself lucky. Yeah, lucky enough. If you want, you can bitch about the ARS. Or you could do something about it. Or are you one of those hams you bitch about in a previous message? - Mike KB3EIA - |
Dave Heil wrote:
I don't know about lucky. Fortunate, maybe, that my experience over forty years in amateur radio hasn't been the unpleasant one you've obviously been forced to endure. Do you think this guy would by any chance be Vipul, Dave? Has that same sort of pro-ham attitude, eh? - Mike KB3EIA - |
Carl R. Stevenson wrote:
"JEP" wrote in message om... Thats why I say good riddance to ARRL and QST. "Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com... "JEP" wrote in message e.com... Just my point. I don't want to belong to ARRL just as I don't care to belong to AARP, NRA, AAA, Skinheads, etc. I just want to read their magazine when it has something that interests me. I wouldn't buy it every month as most of the time it has useless drivel about some clowntest or whether someone died or some such crap. ARRL and QST have a short time left as the active Ham population lessens. Well then you can't expect the magazine to be sold at outlets when you only buy it once in a while. They've got to recoup the costs of printing and distributing and the "once in a while" buyer just doesn't provide that. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Gee ... I've declined the AARP (for now at least - they started sending me membership solicitations on my 50th birthday - maybe some day I'll see a benefit) The NRA would be of interest if I was still a hunter, but alas, the XYL is a biologist and state-licensed wildlife rehabilitator, so for the sake of marital harmony, I've given up that hobby. (I have so many other things going on, I don't know when I'd have the time for it anyway ...) The AAA has never appealed to me ... I get good towing coverage for much less through my car insurance and my new Ford Explorer also comes with roadside assistance. Skinheads ... well 'nuff said, I guess. However, WRT the ARRL - as much as I've had some policy differences with them over the years, they DO do a LOT of good things for ham radio, and their member services and publications are also valuable. All together, I made the value judgment to support the ARRL by maintaining membership for the past 25+ years (I should have become a life member years ago - I'd have really saved money over the years - but I resisted because of my policy differences with the ARRL leadership in a couple of areas.) However, with BPL, CC&Rs (don't affect me, but affect a lot of hams), and the good work that the ARRL/IARU did at the WRC on 40m expansion, I finally decided to become a life member and to work my policy differences from the inside as well as from the outside. If I live an average life span from now, I'll just about break even on the $975.00 life membership. I also sent them $100.00 earmarked to support Ed Hare's work against the BPL threat. I think that ARRL membership (with QST included) is a good value at the current dues rates and find it hard to understand how anyone who's REALLY interested in ham radio and its future could justify NOT joining and supporting the good things that the ARRL does - you don't have to agree with EVERYTHING they do or every position they take (I don't ...), but on balance they do much more right than wrong, so I support them for that and joust with them on the things I disagree with. Just like you should! I'm amazed by the number of hams that seem to thing that the ARRL has to agree with all their personal opinions. I wonder how many of those type are married! 8^) I wonder how many of the priveliges we enjoy - and many take for granted - in the ARS, would be around if not for the ARRL. - Mike KB3EIA - |
I've declined the AARP (for now at least - they started sending me membership solicitations on my 50th birthday - maybe some day I'll see a benefit) The NRA would be of interest if I was still a hunter, but alas, the XYL is a biologist and state-licensed wildlife rehabilitator, so for the sake of marital harmony, I've given up that hobby. (I have so many other things going on, I don't know when I'd have the time for it anyway ...) The AAA has never appealed to me ... I get good towing coverage for much less through my car insurance and my new Ford Explorer also comes with roadside assistance. Skinheads ... well 'nuff said, I guess. However, WRT the ARRL - as much as I've had some policy differences with them over the years, they DO do a LOT of good things for ham radio, and their member services and publications are also valuable. All together, I made the value judgment to support the ARRL by maintaining membership for the past 25+ years (I should have become a life member years ago - I'd have really saved money over the years - but I resisted because of my policy differences with the ARRL leadership in a couple of areas.) However, with BPL, CC&Rs (don't affect me, but affect a lot of hams), and the good work that the ARRL/IARU did at the WRC on 40m expansion, I finally decided to become a life member and to work my policy differences from the inside as well as from the outside. If I live an average life span from now, I'll just about break even on the $975.00 life membership. I also sent them $100.00 earmarked to support Ed Hare's work against the BPL threat. I think that ARRL membership (with QST included) is a good value at the current dues rates and find it hard to understand how anyone who's REALLY interested in ham radio and its future could justify NOT joining and supporting the good things that the ARRL does - you don't have to agree with EVERYTHING they do or every position they take (I don't ...), but on balance they do much more right than wrong, so I support them for that and joust with them on the things I disagree with. -- Carl R. Stevenson - wk3c Grid Square FN20fm http://home.ptd.net/~wk3c ------------------------------------------------------ NCI-1052 Executive Director, No Code International Fellow, The Radio Club of America Senior Member, IEEE Member, IEEE Standards Association Chair, IEEE 802.18 Radio Regulatory Technical Advisory Group Chair, Wi-Fi Alliance Regulatory Committee Co-Chair, Wi-Fi Alliance Legislative Committee Member, QCWA (31424) Life Member, ARRL Member, TAPR ------------------------------------------------------ Join No Code International! Hams for the 21st Century. Help assure the survival and prosperity of ham radio. http://www.nocode.org I can't understand how Your SIG says it all. An EXTRA in NO CODE INTERNATIONAL? I see you are a joiner. The more you belong to the better it is. Help insure the survival and prosperity of ham radio? I think not. Insure the life of the ARRL and manufacturers? YES! No code is killing ham radio. See you on channel 22 good buddy. |
"JEP" wrote in message om... "JEP" snipped the headers - I said the stuff below that's prefaced with " " I've declined the AARP (for now at least - they started sending me membership solicitations on my 50th birthday - maybe some day I'll see a benefit) The NRA would be of interest if I was still a hunter, but alas, the XYL is a biologist and state-licensed wildlife rehabilitator, so for the sake of marital harmony, I've given up that hobby. (I have so many other things going on, I don't know when I'd have the time for it anyway ...) The AAA has never appealed to me ... I get good towing coverage for much less through my car insurance and my new Ford Explorer also comes with roadside assistance. Skinheads ... well 'nuff said, I guess. However, WRT the ARRL - as much as I've had some policy differences with them over the years, they DO do a LOT of good things for ham radio, and their member services and publications are also valuable. All together, I made the value judgment to support the ARRL by maintaining membership for the past 25+ years (I should have become a life member years ago - I'd have really saved money over the years - but I resisted because of my policy differences with the ARRL leadership in a couple of areas.) However, with BPL, CC&Rs (don't affect me, but affect a lot of hams), and the good work that the ARRL/IARU did at the WRC on 40m expansion, I finally decided to become a life member and to work my policy differences from the inside as well as from the outside. If I live an average life span from now, I'll just about break even on the $975.00 life membership. I also sent them $100.00 earmarked to support Ed Hare's work against the BPL threat. I think that ARRL membership (with QST included) is a good value at the current dues rates and find it hard to understand how anyone who's REALLY interested in ham radio and its future could justify NOT joining and supporting the good things that the ARRL does - you don't have to agree with EVERYTHING they do or every position they take (I don't ...), but on balance they do much more right than wrong, so I support them for that and joust with them on the things I disagree with. -- Carl R. Stevenson - wk3c Grid Square FN20fm http://home.ptd.net/~wk3c ------------------------------------------------------ NCI-1052 Executive Director, No Code International Fellow, The Radio Club of America Senior Member, IEEE Member, IEEE Standards Association Chair, IEEE 802.18 Radio Regulatory Technical Advisory Group Chair, Wi-Fi Alliance Regulatory Committee Co-Chair, Wi-Fi Alliance Legislative Committee Member, QCWA (31424) Life Member, ARRL Member, TAPR ------------------------------------------------------ Join No Code International! Hams for the 21st Century. Help assure the survival and prosperity of ham radio. http://www.nocode.org Your SIG says it all. An EXTRA in NO CODE INTERNATIONAL? Most of the NCI Directors are extras, of their national equivalent thereof. One has DXCC CW only. What's your point? I see you are a joiner. The more you belong to the better it is. I am ACTIVE in the things I've listed, except for TAPR. I am into digital communications but have not been active in TAPR projects for a number of reasons. However, I am VERY active in all of the others. (I didn't list my local club/RACES/ARES ...) So, it's not a "the more you belong to the better it is" thing. What's your point? Help insure the survival and prosperity of ham radio? I think not. Insure the life of the ARRL and manufacturers? YES! No code is killing ham radio. Were it not for the no-code tech license since 1990, I'd bet we'd have about 1/2 the number of licensed hams in the US that we have now. (and commercial interests would be better positioned to take some of our prime spectrum for lack of use) So, how is no code "killing ham radio" ??? See you on channel 22 good buddy. Sorry, you'll have to find someone else to talk to on your favorite frequency. I don't have any equipment that will transmit there. (But I do have 3 rigs that cover all of the amateur bands (except the 5 channels at 5 MHz) from 160m-70cm, all modes, and can be run without AC mains power - main station rig, mobile (I'm in the process of installing that rig in a new vehicle), and a QRP station I use for backpack/travel use.) How many (ham band) rigs do you have? Can you run for extended periods (weeks or more, if need be) without commercial power? How active and well-prepared are you? Oh, you're just trolling? That's become abundantly clear ... why not try another stream? I think the bites are about to dry up here. Carl - wk3c |
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"Carl R. Stevenson" wrote: "JEP" wrote in message om... "JEP" snipped the headers - I said the stuff below that's prefaced with " " I've declined the AARP (for now at least - they started sending me membership solicitations on my 50th birthday - maybe some day I'll see a benefit) The NRA would be of interest if I was still a hunter, but alas, the XYL is a biologist and state-licensed wildlife rehabilitator, so for the sake of marital harmony, I've given up that hobby. (I have so many other things going on, I don't know when I'd have the time for it anyway ...) The AAA has never appealed to me ... I get good towing coverage for much less through my car insurance and my new Ford Explorer also comes with roadside assistance. Skinheads ... well 'nuff said, I guess. However, WRT the ARRL - as much as I've had some policy differences with them over the years, they DO do a LOT of good things for ham radio, and their member services and publications are also valuable. All together, I made the value judgment to support the ARRL by maintaining membership for the past 25+ years (I should have become a life member years ago - I'd have really saved money over the years - but I resisted because of my policy differences with the ARRL leadership in a couple of areas.) However, with BPL, CC&Rs (don't affect me, but affect a lot of hams), and the good work that the ARRL/IARU did at the WRC on 40m expansion, I finally decided to become a life member and to work my policy differences from the inside as well as from the outside. If I live an average life span from now, I'll just about break even on the $975.00 life membership. I also sent them $100.00 earmarked to support Ed Hare's work against the BPL threat. I think that ARRL membership (with QST included) is a good value at the current dues rates and find it hard to understand how anyone who's REALLY interested in ham radio and its future could justify NOT joining and supporting the good things that the ARRL does - you don't have to agree with EVERYTHING they do or every position they take (I don't ...), but on balance they do much more right than wrong, so I support them for that and joust with them on the things I disagree with. -- Carl R. Stevenson - wk3c Grid Square FN20fm http://home.ptd.net/~wk3c ------------------------------------------------------ NCI-1052 Executive Director, No Code International Fellow, The Radio Club of America Senior Member, IEEE Member, IEEE Standards Association Chair, IEEE 802.18 Radio Regulatory Technical Advisory Group Chair, Wi-Fi Alliance Regulatory Committee Co-Chair, Wi-Fi Alliance Legislative Committee Member, QCWA (31424) Life Member, ARRL Member, TAPR ------------------------------------------------------ Join No Code International! Hams for the 21st Century. Help assure the survival and prosperity of ham radio. http://www.nocode.org Your SIG says it all. An EXTRA in NO CODE INTERNATIONAL? Most of the NCI Directors are extras, of their national equivalent thereof. One has DXCC CW only. What's your point? I see you are a joiner. The more you belong to the better it is. I am ACTIVE in the things I've listed, except for TAPR. I am into digital communications but have not been active in TAPR projects for a number of reasons. However, I am VERY active in all of the others. (I didn't list my local club/RACES/ARES ...) So, it's not a "the more you belong to the better it is" thing. What's your point? Help insure the survival and prosperity of ham radio? I think not. Insure the life of the ARRL and manufacturers? YES! No code is killing ham radio. Were it not for the no-code tech license since 1990, I'd bet we'd have about 1/2 the number of licensed hams in the US that we have now. (and commercial interests would be better positioned to take some of our prime spectrum for lack of use) So, how is no code "killing ham radio" ??? See you on channel 22 good buddy. Sorry, you'll have to find someone else to talk to on your favorite frequency. I don't have any equipment that will transmit there. (But I do have 3 rigs that cover all of the amateur bands (except the 5 channels at 5 MHz) from 160m-70cm, all modes, and can be run without AC mains power - main station rig, mobile (I'm in the process of installing that rig in a new vehicle), and a QRP station I use for backpack/travel use.) How many (ham band) rigs do you have? Can you run for extended periods (weeks or more, if need be) without commercial power? How active and well-prepared are you? Oh, you're just trolling? That's become abundantly clear ... why not try another stream? I think the bites are about to dry up here. Carl - wk3c |
"Carl R. Stevenson" wrote in message ... "JEP" wrote in message om... Thats why I say good riddance to ARRL and QST. [snip] However, WRT the ARRL - as much as I've had some policy differences with them over the years, they DO do a LOT of good things for ham radio, and their member services and publications are also valuable. All together, I made the value judgment to support the ARRL by maintaining membership for the past 25+ years (I should have become a life member years ago - I'd have really saved money over the years - but I resisted because of my policy differences with the ARRL leadership in a couple of areas.) However, with BPL, CC&Rs (don't affect me, but affect a lot of hams), and the good work that the ARRL/IARU did at the WRC on 40m expansion, I finally decided to become a life member and to work my policy differences from the inside as well as from the outside. If I live an average life span from now, I'll just about break even on the $975.00 life membership. I also sent them $100.00 earmarked to support Ed Hare's work against the BPL threat. I think that ARRL membership (with QST included) is a good value at the current dues rates and find it hard to understand how anyone who's REALLY interested in ham radio and its future could justify NOT joining and supporting the good things that the ARRL does - you don't have to agree with EVERYTHING they do or every position they take (I don't ...), but on balance they do much more right than wrong, so I support them for that and joust with them on the things I disagree with. -- Carl R. Stevenson - wk3c Grid Square FN20fm http://home.ptd.net/~wk3c Exactly. Working from within is generally the most effective way to bring about real, long-term change. However too many other people just want to be back seat drivers or focus on a single policy they don't like and "throw out the baby with the bathwater" so to speak. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... JEP wrote: Check the figures yourself then check how many are really active. Yes you can but NRA and AARP rags on the stand. AAA no. I quoted no data, I made an observation. Get you head out the sand and look around. See all of your old buddies just hanging around the club meeting doing nothing? Nope. Our club members are also quite active. They actively participate in the business meetings and presentations. is field day as well attended as it was in the 60's? Better. I just posted some pix on our website, from FD in 1968. My guess is we have about three times the number as we did then. Ours is infinitely better attended than it was in the 1960s. Our club did not even exist back then. Are new folks welcomed? Yup. During the day, I do no operating at all, just control op the GOTA station and talk to new people when any show up. And we have new people show up. Is help provided? Of course Absolutely. Break time usually finds the newcomers making a beeline to the oldtimers and lively discussions about items they need help with. Several of us are on an "Elmer's phone list", all of us regular talk to new people over the air and give help, and several of us regularly teach classes with many others putting in a little help at one or more sessions of a class. If so then consider yourself lucky. Yeah, lucky enough. If you want, you can bitch about the ARS. Or you could do something about it. Or are you one of those hams you bitch about in a previous message? - Mike KB3EIA - Yup, change starts with each individual. Don't complain, do something. Be an example of what you think a ham ought to be. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... I wonder how many of the priveliges we enjoy - and many take for granted - in the ARS, would be around if not for the ARRL. - Mike KB3EIA - None as the ARS would have remained closed down after World War I. There was no intent on the government part to ever re-establish those privileges. While this is in the distant past, we don't have to look too far back to see loss of spectrum and proposals from the government for loss of spectrum. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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Be an example of what you think a ham ought to be. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Should a ham be like N8WWM!? http://tinyurl.com/q3xp |
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