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From: (Dave=A0Hall)
On Thu, 20 May 2004 11:15:53 -0400, (Twistedhed) wrote: (=A0=A0We applaud their efforts to catch the errant hams, more power to them. That is why they also go after the illegal cbers that attempt to operate on the ham bands. They couldn't care less about the cb band anymore as the cbers took it upon themselves to turn it into the sewer pit of the radio spectrum. ) Hehhee,,,it wasn't the cbers that brought the extra freqs and in between capabilities and amps to cb,,,it was the hammies. What gives you that idea? "Empirical" data. Are you saying that CBer's (or at least some of them) lack the technical expertise to achieve such feats? Your willingness to classify and typify entire groups of people has always been a flaw in your logic. I was experimenting with CB radios long before I got a ham license. In fact CB was my stepping stone into ham radio. Most people in hammie radio today share that sentiment. Nevertheless, it was the hammies that introduced the technology of frequency splitting and telling us where to get those crystals for the extra freqs. _ They actually did all the cbers a huge favor by their actions,,,,,they turned it into a virtual free for all and many cbers enjoy it just the way it is, much to the chagrin of certain scumbag hammies. And many legally operating CBers who now have a harder time communicating through the lawless and lack or respect "free-for-all". Dave "Sandbagger" N3CVJ http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj Goes both ways. The same statement is just as valid when applied to hammie radio. As in all of life's endeavors, one must take the good with the bad. Dwelling on only the bad is something you need get over. |
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On Fri, 21 May 2004 13:16:28 GMT, "Landshark"
wrote: I try to avoid making specific number comparisons since hard data is not usually easy to collect. Agreed, that is my point. But I would hope that you'd agree that a definite majority of CB'ers are running illegally in one form or another. I have certainly seen enough empirical data in my many years of the hobby to make that claim. I really don't. I would think that overall majority runs legally. If I were to take a stab, I would think that between 25-30% are illegal. I think amps are not as prevalent as are converted or export radios. Illegal operation does not end with amplifiers. Anyone who's had a radio "doctored" (peaked, clipped, extra channels etc), runs noise toys (including echo boxes and roger beeps), or laces his conversations with "four letter", words is running illegally. I cannot turn on the CB any more without someone violating at least one of these conditions. Like you pointed out before, some of this may be geographic in nature, but I have to assume, based on my own findings, that even considering geographical variations, that the average still favors the conclusion that more CBers run illegally to some degree, than those who do not.. Dave "Sandbagger" |
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Steveo wrote in message ...
(I Am Not George) wrote: $100 cash money says steveochicken backpeddles into a no show, Should I add the $100 to the $1000 you'll owe me and make it an even $1100? How do you figure you won the bet? Ether your arrested at Inductoheat or your sneaking around Lelands apt while hes at work. |
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On Fri, 21 May 2004 11:20:47 -0400, (Twistedhed) wrote: From: (Dave*Hall) On Fri, 21 May 2004 00:57:24 GMT, "Landshark" wrote: The point is that making a statement that 99% of cb'rs operate illegally is false, just as 99% of hams get busted for operating illegally. I try to avoid making specific number comparisons Since when? This morning? You have presented such specific number "comparisons" on several occasions in order to shore up a claim of yours, with nothing to back it up except your "claim".. When? Put up or shut up. But I would hope that you'd agree that a definite majority of CB'ers are running illegally in one form or another. Majority? Hahha,,that would equal exactly what you said you do not do,,,,more than 51%...LOL....your hypocrisy radiates bull****. You evidently have absolutely no idea of the difference between general conclusions and specific numbers. Then again judging by your past performance and lack of comprehensive ability, this should not surprise me. I have certainly seen enough empirical data in my many years of the hobby to make that claim. But of course, you can point to or illustrate *none* of this "empirical" (snicker) data,,,you want only to be taken at your word,,,something you ruined long ago, but I will give you another benefit of doubt,,,present something of this "empirical" data, as "empirical" means "provable or verifiable by experience or experiment". And it's been my experience after 30+ years of CBing that the majority of CB operators operate illegally to one degree or another. Just turn the radio on any given day and you can hear it for yourself. Every time someone hits that roger beep, every time you hear an echo box, every time you see someone's signal "swinging" wildly, every yahoo on 27.555, and every time you hear some low-life cuss out someone else. Merely claiming somehting is empirical does not make it so. Do something you have never been able to do for the masses, Davie,,prove your bull**** claim. How does one "prove" a claim that is based on empirical observation? What, do you want government census numbers? You're not going to get them. But then again you know that, and you are simply falling back on your old standby excuse that "absence of proof means the same thing as lying". It's one thing to be "busted" for operating illegally, It's totally another to just be "operating" illegally. It's true that a higher percentage of hams are busted for operating illegally than there are CB'ers popped for illegal operation. But for the most part it can be explained that hams themselves have requested stricter enforcement. It can also be argued, for the most part, it can be explained" that hammmies have also requested stricter enforcement against cbers as well,,,,,,it simply doesn't make it so and your claim was fabricated simply to suit your own warped politics. Do a little searching. Or, be bold enough to ask Riley himself. Hams HAVE asked for better enforcement of the ham bands That is a matter of general acknowledgement for any ham who's spent any time listening to the ARRL and RAIN reports or who peruses ham discussion boards. But on the other hand, hams could not care less what goes on on 11 meters. As long as they stay above 12 meters and below 10. In other words, just because there are a higher number of reported enforcement actions against hams vs. CB'ers, does not mean that there is a higher percentage of hams operating illegally. It also can be stated with incredible accuracy, that simply because you categorically and vehemently stated you can prove something, doesn't mean you actually can or will. In other words, you're full of bull**** as usual. I have not claimed to have rock solid proof of anything. But if you are going to take the position that unless someone has such proof, that everything they say is automatically a lie, you are the one with issues. A tough and somewhat duplicitous position for someone who claims to believe in God. Dave "Sandbagger" N3CVJ Why do you feel the need to add my call? This is a CB newsgroup remember? http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj |
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On Fri, 21 May 2004 11:26:50 -0400, (Twistedhed)
wrote: From: (Dave*Hall) On Thu, 20 May 2004 11:15:53 -0400, (Twistedhed) wrote: (**We applaud their efforts to catch the errant hams, more power to them. That is why they also go after the illegal cbers that attempt to operate on the ham bands. They couldn't care less about the cb band anymore as the cbers took it upon themselves to turn it into the sewer pit of the radio spectrum. ) Hehhee,,,it wasn't the cbers that brought the extra freqs and in between capabilities and amps to cb,,,it was the hammies. What gives you that idea? "Empirical" data. I'll take a page from your book and demand that you Prove it! Are you saying that CBer's (or at least some of them) lack the technical expertise to achieve such feats? Your willingness to classify and typify entire groups of people has always been a flaw in your logic. No, you did. I am merely taking your statement to its logical conclusion. If , as you imply, hams were responsible for all illegal CB activity, then that would mean that CBers themselves had no hand in it, which implies that they either could not, or were not willing to do it themselves. I was experimenting with CB radios long before I got a ham license. In fact CB was my stepping stone into ham radio. Most people in hammie radio today share that sentiment. Nevertheless, it was the hammies that introduced the technology of frequency splitting and telling us where to get those crystals for the extra freqs. 'Fraid not......... _ They actually did all the cbers a huge favor by their actions,,,,,they turned it into a virtual free for all and many cbers enjoy it just the way it is, much to the chagrin of certain scumbag hammies. And many legally operating CBers who now have a harder time communicating through the lawless and lack or respect "free-for-all". Dave "Sandbagger" N3CVJ Pasting in my call again? What's your point? http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj |
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Dan wrote:
JJ wrote in message ... Twistedhed wrote: Which proves the FCC cares more about the ham bands than they do about cb. We applaud their efforts to catch the errant hams, more power to them. That is why they also go after the illegal cbers that attempt to operate on the ham bands. They couldn't care less about the cb band anymore as the cbers took it upon themselves to turn it into the sewer pit of the radio spectrum. Hey, the CB band is like the internet. It is unpoliced. That's why it is so much fun. It's like a chat room. Ever try to listen to any of the ham bands other then the liberty net? Well, for one thing, you will fall asleep in a matter of minutes! There just isn't anything entertaining to listen to on the ham bands. Yes, the ham bands are good to have in emergencies because they setup communications. But, other then that, they are pure boredom. Not so with CB. Yea, if you have the mentality of a junior high-schooler you probably would find the discussions on the ham bands, things like building antennas, equipment, learning about other parts of the world, boring. If you like vulgar language, and the sewer mentality, then cb is for you. |
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Dave Hall wrote:
It's one thing to be "busted" for operating illegally, It's totally another to just be "operating" illegally. It's true that a higher percentage of hams are busted for operating illegally than there are CB'ers popped for illegal operation. But for the most part it can be explained that hams themselves have requested stricter enforcement. It is the difference between those in the ham ranks that want to operate withing the rules so that operating is pleasurable for everyone, as opposed to the cb ranks where many have no respect for rules or anyone and chaos is the norm. |
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Dan wrote:
What an absolute collosal waste of tax payers money!!!! In your opinion which isn't worth much. |
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