"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 May 2004 00:57:24 GMT, "Landshark"
wrote:



The point is that making a statement that 99% of cb'rs
operate illegally is false, just as 99% of hams get busted
for operating illegally.

I try to avoid making specific number comparisons since hard data is
not usually easy to collect.

Agreed, that is my point.

But I would hope that you'd agree that a definite majority of CB'ers
are running illegally in one form or another. I have certainly seen
enough empirical data in my many years of the hobby to make that
claim.

I really don't. I would think that overall majority runs legally.
If I were to take a stab, I would think that between 25-30%
are illegal. I think amps are not as prevalent as are converted
or export radios.


It's one thing to be "busted" for operating illegally, It's totally
another to just be "operating" illegally. It's true that a higher
percentage of hams are busted for operating illegally than there are
CB'ers popped for illegal operation. But for the most part it can be
explained that hams themselves have requested stricter enforcement.

Agreed, also Frank did a good analysis.

In other words, just because there are a higher number of reported
enforcement actions against hams vs. CB'ers, does not mean that there
is a higher percentage of hams operating illegally.

Agreed, just because a couple of Hams here are idiots, doesn't
mean every Ham is an idiot, same goes for cb'rs.

Dave
"Sandbagger"

Landshark


--
That does suck..sometimes you're the
windshield..sometimes you're the bug.

On Fri, 21 May 2004 13:16:28 GMT, "Landshark"
wrote:


I try to avoid making specific number comparisons since hard data is
not usually easy to collect.

Agreed, that is my point.

But I would hope that you'd agree that a definite majority of CB'ers
are running illegally in one form or another. I have certainly seen
enough empirical data in my many years of the hobby to make that
claim.

I really don't. I would think that overall majority runs legally.
If I were to take a stab, I would think that between 25-30%
are illegal. I think amps are not as prevalent as are converted
or export radios.

Illegal operation does not end with amplifiers. Anyone who's had a
radio "doctored" (peaked, clipped, extra channels etc), runs noise
toys (including echo boxes and roger beeps), or laces his
conversations with "four letter", words is running illegally. I cannot
turn on the CB any more without someone violating at least one of
these conditions. Like you pointed out before, some of this may be
geographic in nature, but I have to assume, based on my own findings,
that even considering geographical variations, that the average still
favors the conclusion that more CBers run illegally to some degree,
than those who do not..

Dave
"Sandbagger"

From: (Dave=A0Hall)
On Fri, 21 May 2004 13:16:28 GMT, "Landshark"
wrote:
I try to avoid making specific number

comparisons since hard data is not usually

easy to collect.
Agreed, that is my point.

But I would hope that you'd agree that a

definite majority of CB'ers are running illegally

in one form or another. I have certainly seen

enough empirical data in my many years of

the hobby to make that claim.

I really don't. I would think that overall majority runs legally. If I
were to take a stab, I would think that between 25-30% are illegal. I
think amps are not as prevalent as are converted or export radios.

Illegal operation does not end with amplifiers.


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LOL,,there is that assumed status you are so starved for,,,,,how in the
hell can you make such a statement? That's akin to saying illegal drug
use doesn't end with pot. You haven't the qualifications to make such
statements.

Anyone who's had a radio "doctored" (peaked,
clipped, extra channels etc), runs noise toys

(including echo boxes and roger beeps), or

laces his conversations with "four letter",

words is running illegally.



You are wrong. Echo and roger beeps are not illegal.


I cannot turn on the CB any more without

someone violating at least one of these

conditions.



Non-sequitur and personal testimony that you are presenting as
unequivocal proof. No see-gar..

Like you pointed out before, some of this may
be geographic in nature, but I have to assume,
based on my own findings, that even

considering geographical variations, that the

average still favors the conclusion that more

CBers run illegally to some degree, than those
who do not..
=A0
=A0Dave
=A0
"Sandbagger"



Very good. "Assuming" is not the same as you claiming you have
"empirical" data and I was glad to be of service.