From: (Dave=A0Hall)
On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 10:48:12 -0400, (Twistedhed)
wrote:
From: (Dave=A0Hall)
It's a shame the poster was basically
anonymous, so it would be very difficult to
ascertain just who actually posted it...... Dave
"Sandbagger"
_
Hello Dave, I thought you were going to reply to our last exhange of
posts prior to begining another, so I will refresh the pertinent
parameters of where we left off concerning your "spreading around
personal information" and "calling my bluff" on your trip to Mickey
Mouse.


Been busy. With the republican convention

and such in the area, there were more

pressing issues than newsgroup stuff.


=A0=A0You're an hour or more west of Philly in Pa.., the convention is
in NY. Not many folks consider another state "in the area".


Not geographically,


So go ahead and redefine what you actually meant when you said "in the
area" since you weren't geographically speaking.



but there are other related activities.


See previous statement.



I'm doing my part to make sure we see 4 more
years of Bush.




Bully for you. You should have about four more months to enjoy your
activities.

.... Pennsylvania, was once considered a slam
dunk for Kerry. Not so true now. Once us

country and suburban folk take our population

clout and override the blind ignoramuses who

live in the cities, the state will swing solidly into
the Bush camp.

Nevertheless, you ignored the last questions posted to you and began new
postings.


If you don't check in for a while the posts get

purged.


Your past posting contradicts this claim.

_
The poster was by no means anonymous. To
the uninitiated (concerning knowledge of anonymity relating to the
internet) he may appear pseudo-anonymous on usenet,
however, this specific person is not.

And you know this how?

Try and remain relevant and not concerned with my education and personal
life.

It is relevant. You made a statement. I

questioned your ability to know the specifics.



My ability has nothing to do with the claim.



Please be so kind as to elaborate on how you

know that this particular poster is not

anonymous.


Again,
you display you haven't bothered to read user agreements (I addressed
this once before with you) concerning one's anonymity and privacy.


I don't care what "user agreements" may say.


And that is why you fail to understand them and how they operate and
need their operations explained,,because you admittedly don't care what
they say, you fail to read them, which is a reason for your ignorance of
their rules and the manner in whcih they operate..


I didn't say I don't understand them,


How can you understand something you don;t read? You have displayed you
have not read the terms of service and user information regarding isp's
as if you did, you wouldn't have needed me to explain to you that these
isp's (and security experts) all caution against posting personal
information on the internet, such as your name.


I said that I don't care what they say. I don't

care because user agreements are not

relevant in this case. What IS relevant is that

anyone who wants to remain anonymous for

the purpose of maligning someone or

otherwise being disruptive, can do so, as

relatively easily.

There are ways to get onto the internet and

onto free news servers which do not require

identifying oneself.


Try and remain relevant and try to not present arguments to yourself. No
one said no identification isn't possible.

Double negative?



No,,try and follow. No one ( as in no persons) have claimed that "no
identifcation" is not possible via accessing the internet. Yet, you are
presenting a self-directed argument as if that is exactly what one has
done.


You implied that even though a person may

hide their identification, to people on USENET,

that the ISP's would know who they were. I

countered that this is not necessarily true.

THAT is relevant.




That's not what occurred at all. *You* claimed your google posting
Geogre was anonymous, in fact, it was *I* that countered such isn't true
and off you went. I presented several examples of non-anonymity
regarding accessing usenet (such as google) and because you fail to
understand and comprehend why such services are not anonymous and refuse
to read their terms of service and user agreements, demand I explain
them to you.
Try not to lie about what occurred, Dave. It's not necessary.



My very first internet connection was through

school account which a whole lot of people

"shared". How does anyone identify an

anonymous person who uses such

unregulated access points?


It's not up to me to educate you on such things,


A wise move, since you clearly don't

understand the magnitude of the issue.




A very wise move, taking into consideration you have spoke of "spreading
around" any personal information you may find on one. For you to think I
would teach you how to remain anonymous after you make such idle threats
illustrates the issues of which you suffer.

_
but if you really
haven't the foggiest clue how those hackers and virus creaters are
caught, I suppose I can take a few minutes and explain to you in email
how such things can occur.

I already know how these people are caught.

The same way that many other sociopaths get
caught. They can't keep their "deeds" to

themselves. Part of their anti-social and

narcissistic personality disorders compel these
types of people to "share" their "big"

accomplishments with other people, in order

to gain some warped respect or admiration, or
at the very least, outlaw notoriety. When they

finally succumb to this malady, they sign their

own demise, as all it takes is one person to

dial the FBI to bring him down.
=A0


A nice conjured fantasy, but nowhere near the truth. Begin your search
with Captain America and his hacking of HBO in the eighties. From there
you can perform a process of elimination and check the factors which
lead to the prosectution of each up to the present.
If you have even the remotest clue of what you speak, I don't have to
explain to you anything more, as you already realize you're as incorrect
now as you were in claiming dx was a felony and echo was illegal on cb.

_
=A0Of course, you can always do the homework yourself......if you need
reference points in where to begin, I can assist with that dilemma of
yours, also.

You have no idea of just how much I do know

about this subject.




You have left no doubt.

_


Go read google user agreement. Many networks don't bother to demand a
subpoena and cooperate fully with law enforcement, especially when their
user is abusing their network. Again, please read the terms of service
regarding all aspects of your internet endeavors and please ask Phil
Kane (or someone qualified that you trust) for a correct information on
radio law and everything relating to the law of which you have been so
incorrect, or you can merrily continue to make the same repeat mistakes
that have become associated with your posts.



That's all well and good IF these ISP's know

who the person is.



It's all well and good regardless. Many free isp's you speak of aren't
concerned with the identity of their users,,,UNLESS.


Unless what? By then it's too late.



Unless a problem occurs.


Again, I know of many ways to gain access to

the internet without having to reveal your true

identity.


Again, please remain relevant.


I AM remaining relevant. Perhaps you need to

examine your own relevance?


Again, Dave, for crying out loud, no one has claimed it was impossible
to access the internet and be completely anonymous.

_
You have demonstrated exactly what you
know and don't know, and the above statement has nothing to do with your
google user.


It has everything to do with someone looking

to malign someone over the internet.



Not what you claimed. You claimed the google/aol user was anonymous and
I educated you to the point where you are now changing your subject.



Google isn't an ISP. They are an information

archive, and they offer news access. Anyone

can use google and they can represent

themselves as anyone they wish, as I'm sure

you are well aware.


Your claim was Geogre was anonymous. He's not.


Cable modems can be hacked, many places

offer WiFi open network access,


Correct,,read my piece on WIFI. this is old news.


Your "piece"?


Changing subject now has you stuttering?


What piece?


Wifi.

What, is our


Are you preofessing to collectively speak for a certain faction when
utilizing "we", Dave? Who might this faction be?


favorite WebTV user now an expert on WiFi?


Your allow your definitions to continually be rededfined (such as the
term "liberal") by others, so I have no interest in your interpretation
of what you hold as "expert". After all, many would old an Extra as an
expert in radio and related subjects, but you have disproven this
definition when applying to yourself with your knowledge of radio law.



I didn't know WebTV supported 802.11.


You probably also didn't know the linears being used for this frequency
to boost wifi is near the same frequency as a microwave, either, but no
one will hold that against you, either.


_
Once again, stop wandering and try and remain relevant and on subject.


My name isn't John Kerry. I am not wandering.

Sure you are. You said your google boy Geogre was anonymous, I said he
wasn't, you demanded I teach you how I know he isn't anonymous instead
of reading google and like user agreements and tos' for yourself. When
you realized you were wrong, you begin speaking of maligning one on the
internet (many feel the intentional spreading of personal information
would constitute "maligning", Dave, so think about your idle threat to
do so before crying hypocritically about maliging one on the net) and
debating yourself over the definition of what you hold as "expert".

_
Google and AOL isn't WIFI OR cable.

No, but those who get onto the internet

through less than direct means can avail

themselves of these services.



Do try and remain connected to your original incorrect claim regarding
our favorite red-headed.posting step-*******.







How many "free" AOL disks are there? How

hard would it be to fake a name to gain a free

month of AOL?

many

libraries, schools and even the local Starbucks
and Burger Kings offer public internet access.




Still hellbent on debating yourself.....


How do you trace an anonymous user who

uses these public portals to access the

internet?


Once again, it;s not up to me to educate you

This is your catch-all phrase when you either

are unwilling or unable to address the issue or
question posed. In other words, you don't

know, and have no answer to this obvious

issue.



You have yet to remain on a single issue. I am completely satisfied with
my addressing your issues. It has resuted in your education that dx is
not a felony, breaking cb rules you speak of is not criminal but civil,
and echo being legal on cb, all of which you claimed the opposite.


_

I am fully aware of the tricks that people use to
gain internet access.



It wouldn't appear so by your posts. No one took issue with the notion,
yet you posted examples of what you incorrectly felt was being
contested.




Perhaps you should read

a bit into it yourself so that you wouldn't make

such ridiculous statements about no one being
able to hide behind their "user agreements".

Dave

N3CVJ

"Sandbagger"



I said no such thing.

From: (Dave=A0Hall)
On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 10:48:12 -0400, (Twistedhed)
wrote:
From: (Dave=A0Hall)
It's a shame the poster was basically
anonymous, so it would be very difficult to
ascertain just who actually posted it...... Dave
"Sandbagger"
_
Hello Dave, I thought you were going to reply to our last exhange of
posts prior to begining another, so I will refresh the pertinent
parameters of where we left off concerning your "spreading around
personal information" and "calling my bluff" on your trip to Mickey
Mouse.


Been busy. With the republican convention

and such in the area, there were more

pressing issues than newsgroup stuff.


=A0=A0You're an hour or more west of Philly in Pa.., the convention is
in NY. Not many folks consider another state "in the area".


Not geographically,


So go ahead and redefine what you actually meant when you said "in the
area" since you weren't geographically speaking.



but there are other related activities.


See previous statement.



I'm doing my part to make sure we see 4 more
years of Bush.




Bully for you. You should have about four more months to enjoy your
activities.

.... Pennsylvania, was once considered a slam
dunk for Kerry. Not so true now. Once us

country and suburban folk take our population

clout and override the blind ignoramuses who

live in the cities, the state will swing solidly into
the Bush camp.

Nevertheless, you ignored the last questions posted to you and began new
postings.


If you don't check in for a while the posts get

purged.


Your past posting contradicts this claim.

_
The poster was by no means anonymous. To
the uninitiated (concerning knowledge of anonymity relating to the
internet) he may appear pseudo-anonymous on usenet,
however, this specific person is not.

And you know this how?

Try and remain relevant and not concerned with my education and personal
life.

It is relevant. You made a statement. I

questioned your ability to know the specifics.



My ability has nothing to do with the claim.



Please be so kind as to elaborate on how you

know that this particular poster is not

anonymous.


Again,
you display you haven't bothered to read user agreements (I addressed
this once before with you) concerning one's anonymity and privacy.


I don't care what "user agreements" may say.


And that is why you fail to understand them and how they operate and
need their operations explained,,because you admittedly don't care what
they say, you fail to read them, which is a reason for your ignorance of
their rules and the manner in whcih they operate..


I didn't say I don't understand them,


How can you understand something you don;t read? You have displayed you
have not read the terms of service and user information regarding isp's
as if you did, you wouldn't have needed me to explain to you that these
isp's (and security experts) all caution against posting personal
information on the internet, such as your name.


I said that I don't care what they say. I don't

care because user agreements are not

relevant in this case. What IS relevant is that

anyone who wants to remain anonymous for

the purpose of maligning someone or

otherwise being disruptive, can do so, as

relatively easily.

There are ways to get onto the internet and

onto free news servers which do not require

identifying oneself.


Try and remain relevant and try to not present arguments to yourself. No
one said no identification isn't possible.

Double negative?



No,,try and follow. No one ( as in no persons) have claimed that "no
identifcation" is not possible via accessing the internet. Yet, you are
presenting a self-directed argument as if that is exactly what one has
done.


You implied that even though a person may

hide their identification, to people on USENET,

that the ISP's would know who they were. I

countered that this is not necessarily true.

THAT is relevant.




That's not what occurred at all. *You* claimed your google posting
Geogre was anonymous, in fact, it was *I* that countered such isn't true
and off you went. I presented several examples of non-anonymity
regarding accessing usenet (such as google) and because you fail to
understand and comprehend why such services are not anonymous and refuse
to read their terms of service and user agreements, demand I explain
them to you.
Try not to lie about what occurred, Dave. It's not necessary.



My very first internet connection was through

school account which a whole lot of people

"shared". How does anyone identify an

anonymous person who uses such

unregulated access points?


It's not up to me to educate you on such things,


A wise move, since you clearly don't

understand the magnitude of the issue.




A very wise move, taking into consideration you have spoke of "spreading
around" any personal information you may find on one. For you to think I
would teach you how to remain anonymous after you make such idle threats
illustrates the issues of which you suffer.

_
but if you really
haven't the foggiest clue how those hackers and virus creaters are
caught, I suppose I can take a few minutes and explain to you in email
how such things can occur.

I already know how these people are caught.

The same way that many other sociopaths get
caught. They can't keep their "deeds" to

themselves. Part of their anti-social and

narcissistic personality disorders compel these
types of people to "share" their "big"

accomplishments with other people, in order

to gain some warped respect or admiration, or
at the very least, outlaw notoriety. When they

finally succumb to this malady, they sign their

own demise, as all it takes is one person to

dial the FBI to bring him down.
=A0


A nice conjured fantasy, but nowhere near the truth. Begin your search
with Captain America and his hacking of HBO in the eighties. From there
you can perform a process of elimination and check the factors which
lead to the prosectution of each up to the present.
If you have even the remotest clue of what you speak, I don't have to
explain to you anything more, as you already realize you're as incorrect
now as you were in claiming dx was a felony and echo was illegal on cb.

_
=A0Of course, you can always do the homework yourself......if you need
reference points in where to begin, I can assist with that dilemma of
yours, also.

You have no idea of just how much I do know

about this subject.




You have left no doubt.

_


Go read google user agreement. Many networks don't bother to demand a
subpoena and cooperate fully with law enforcement, especially when their
user is abusing their network. Again, please read the terms of service
regarding all aspects of your internet endeavors and please ask Phil
Kane (or someone qualified that you trust) for a correct information on
radio law and everything relating to the law of which you have been so
incorrect, or you can merrily continue to make the same repeat mistakes
that have become associated with your posts.



That's all well and good IF these ISP's know

who the person is.



It's all well and good regardless. Many free isp's you speak of aren't
concerned with the identity of their users,,,UNLESS.


Unless what? By then it's too late.



Unless a problem occurs.


Again, I know of many ways to gain access to

the internet without having to reveal your true

identity.


Again, please remain relevant.


I AM remaining relevant. Perhaps you need to

examine your own relevance?


Again, Dave, for crying out loud, no one has claimed it was impossible
to access the internet and be completely anonymous.

_
You have demonstrated exactly what you
know and don't know, and the above statement has nothing to do with your
google user.


It has everything to do with someone looking

to malign someone over the internet.



Not what you claimed. You claimed the google/aol user was anonymous and
I educated you to the point where you are now changing your subject.



Google isn't an ISP. They are an information

archive, and they offer news access. Anyone

can use google and they can represent

themselves as anyone they wish, as I'm sure

you are well aware.


Your claim was Geogre was anonymous. He's not.


Cable modems can be hacked, many places

offer WiFi open network access,


Correct,,read my piece on WIFI. this is old news.


Your "piece"?


Changing subject now has you stuttering?


What piece?


Wifi.

What, is our


Are you preofessing to collectively speak for a certain faction when
utilizing "we", Dave? Who might this faction be?


favorite WebTV user now an expert on WiFi?


Your allow your definitions to continually be rededfined (such as the
term "liberal") by others, so I have no interest in your interpretation
of what you hold as "expert". After all, many would old an Extra as an
expert in radio and related subjects, but you have disproven this
definition when applying to yourself with your knowledge of radio law.



I didn't know WebTV supported 802.11.


You probably also didn't know the linears being used for this frequency
to boost wifi is near the same frequency as a microwave, either, but no
one will hold that against you, either.


_
Once again, stop wandering and try and remain relevant and on subject.


My name isn't John Kerry. I am not wandering.

Sure you are. You said your google boy Geogre was anonymous, I said he
wasn't, you demanded I teach you how I know he isn't anonymous instead
of reading google and like user agreements and tos' for yourself. When
you realized you were wrong, you begin speaking of maligning one on the
internet (many feel the intentional spreading of personal information
would constitute "maligning", Dave, so think about your idle threat to
do so before crying hypocritically about maliging one on the net) and
debating yourself over the definition of what you hold as "expert".

_
Google and AOL isn't WIFI OR cable.

No, but those who get onto the internet

through less than direct means can avail

themselves of these services.



Do try and remain connected to your original incorrect claim regarding
our favorite red-headed.posting step-*******.







How many "free" AOL disks are there? How

hard would it be to fake a name to gain a free

month of AOL?

many

libraries, schools and even the local Starbucks
and Burger Kings offer public internet access.




Still hellbent on debating yourself.....


How do you trace an anonymous user who

uses these public portals to access the

internet?


Once again, it;s not up to me to educate you

This is your catch-all phrase when you either

are unwilling or unable to address the issue or
question posed. In other words, you don't

know, and have no answer to this obvious

issue.



You have yet to remain on a single issue. I am completely satisfied with
my addressing your issues. It has resuted in your education that dx is
not a felony, breaking cb rules you speak of is not criminal but civil,
and echo being legal on cb, all of which you claimed the opposite.


_

I am fully aware of the tricks that people use to
gain internet access.



It wouldn't appear so by your posts. No one took issue with the notion,
yet you posted examples of what you incorrectly felt was being
contested.




Perhaps you should read

a bit into it yourself so that you wouldn't make

such ridiculous statements about no one being
able to hide behind their "user agreements".

Dave

N3CVJ

"Sandbagger"



I said no such thing.

Twistedhed wrote:

From: (jim)
Twistedhed wrote:
From: (Dave Hall)
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 10:49:48 -0400, (Twistedhed)
wrote:
From: (I Am Not George)
Since 1976 we've been leeching off CBers with books, plans, and kits for
CB radio. Do-it-yourself repairs and modifications, amplifiers, FM
converters, bleedover filters, adding new frequencies, etc. are illegal
for CB according to the FCC but I, Lou Franklin, don't care! I will
teach you how to sleaze and weasel your way out of it with semantics
like "it's for 10-Meter Ham conversion" and "information is legal". Now
if I am teaching you how to be dishonest, how can you trust me, Lou
Franklin, to give you honest secrets of how to increase your power,
range, and privacy - even though its illegal? The answer is you cant ha
ha ha! Please visit our Web site, where you can download our unique
catalog of CB Radio Specialties and get encouragement to break FCC law,
or check out our most popular 'we dont care about legalities' schematics
(TriPower RF linear amp, Dynamic Speech Processor, FM3 circuit,
RogerBeep, etc.) and other CB technical articles at:
www.cbcintl.com
SAVE MONEY sort of! We regularly spam the CB newsgroups in order to suck
cash from bullible CBers. I also run EBAY auctions in which you can save
up to HALF the cost of my 300 percent markup CB books and accessories.
To see what's currently on sale, double-click the line below:
http://stores.ebay.com/id=2993436&ssPageName=L2
-
You are in way over your head. You're lucky Lou is such a
nice guy. What you did clearly indicates an intentional and malicious
act by yourself to defame and malign his business and livelihood. In
addition, you violated the Digital Electronic Signature Act as defined
and placed into law by Congress because you attached his personal and
proper name to your fraudulent post in a manner to give the impression
it was he who wrote it concerning the business. If I were Lou, I would
give you the option to settle out of court..........one time. Then I
would contact my attorney and post his name on this group for additional
contributions of your behavior by others whose personal lives you have
attempted to malign. You could be in a heap of trouble boy, for sure.
_
It's a shame the poster was basically anonymous, so it would be very
difficult to ascertain just who actually posted it...... Dave
"Sandbagger"
_
Hello Dave, I thought you were going to reply to our last exhange of
posts prior to begining another, so I will refresh the pertinent
parameters of where we left off concerning your "spreading around
personal information" and "calling my bluff" on your trip to Mickey
Mouse.
The poster was by no means anonymous. To the uninitiated (concerning
knowledge of anonymity relating to the internet) he may appear
pseudo-anonymous on usenet, however, this specific person is not. Again,
you display you haven't bothered to read user agreements (I addressed
this once before with you) concerning one's anonymity and privacy. Go
read google user agreement. Many networks don't bother to demand a
subpoena and cooperate fully with law enforcement, especially when their
user is abusing their network. Again, please read the terms of service
regarding all aspects of your internet endeavors and please ask Phil
Kane (or someone qualified that you trust) for a correct information on
radio law and everything relating to the law of which you have been so
incorrect, or you can merrily continue to make the same repeat mistakes
that have become associated with your posts.
_
nothing for nothing twist but you yak to much.
_
You heard me, too? Man, every frequency I go to these days I'm being
recognized. Amazing what height and water will do, ain't it? g

bucket mouth

3carrol@optonline wrote:
You heard me, too? Man, every frequency I go to these days I'm being
recognized. Amazing what height and water will do, ain't it? g

bucket mouth

I'm starting to wonder about the locals. Even the hammies are cheating :
) and talking from their cars....methinks a mess of folks lost their
ears.

"jim" wrote in message
. net...
Steveo wrote:

"Landshark" wrote:

"Steveo" wrote in message

What was the thing we were talking about?

In you're case it's not Alzheimer's......... It's
selective amnesia

Landshark


I almost forgot.
huh?


What?

Landshark


--
That does suck..sometimes you're the
windshield..sometimes you're the bug.